| Vive la France on 12:09 - Jan 14 with 3355 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
It’s easily doable if companies pay a bit more and the globe wasn’t in a tax race to the bottom.
And before you start with the ‘what about the exodus of companies’ the corperation Tax rate under Thatcher would have easily sustained a pensions age well into the century.
If you want to die at your desk for some faceless company that’s your choice. [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 12:09]
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| Vive la France on 12:36 - Jan 14 with 3265 views | JacksDad |
Life expectancy in France maybe, but this government has performed admirably in its attempts to lower life expectancy in the UK |  | | |
| Vive la France on 12:50 - Jan 14 with 3218 views | stevec |
Another good reason to get out of the EU, we won't have to contribute towards their pensions. |  | | |
| Vive la France on 13:04 - Jan 14 with 3179 views | stowmarketrange |
Have I still got time to move over there?I can be retired 4 1/2 years earlier under those rules. |  | | |
| Vive la France on 13:12 - Jan 14 with 3144 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I only heard about these huge protests from U.S. Media as well. It's getting very little coverage in Ireland. |  |
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| Vive la France on 13:13 - Jan 14 with 3137 views | Ned_Kennedys |
Wasn't lowering the French retirement age and increasing their pensions in Labour's manifesto?  |  | | |
| Vive la France on 13:14 - Jan 14 with 3136 views | smegma |
Nothing to do with Macrons missus being a pensioner, no, it's a coincidence.. | | | |
| Vive la France on 13:15 - Jan 14 with 3125 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Simply not sustainable. Our pension reforms were too late but no Government wanted to force compulsory contributions through as it is so unpopular. This coupled with the higher retirement age should help considerably. |  | | |
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| Vive la France on 13:16 - Jan 14 with 3115 views | Boston |
| Vive la France on 12:36 - Jan 14 by JacksDad |
Life expectancy in France maybe, but this government has performed admirably in its attempts to lower life expectancy in the UK |
I doubt the population requires any government assistance. | |
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| Vive la France on 13:25 - Jan 14 with 3083 views | ericgen34 |
Of course it is sustainable. Our pensions system is vastly different from yours. It is not based on funds and return on investment. It basically is people in work paying the pension of retired people. I am happily paying for the current retired people on the understanding that my pension will be paid when I retire. |  | | |
| Vive la France on 13:29 - Jan 14 with 3041 views | The_Seer |
| Vive la France on 12:09 - Jan 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It’s easily doable if companies pay a bit more and the globe wasn’t in a tax race to the bottom.
And before you start with the ‘what about the exodus of companies’ the corperation Tax rate under Thatcher would have easily sustained a pensions age well into the century.
If you want to die at your desk for some faceless company that’s your choice. [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 12:09]
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The French have already tried that under Holland which resulted in an exodus of the wealthy and a lower tax revenue. People will stick 2 fingers up and leave that's the way it is.
You don't have to die at your desk for some faceless company if you plan whilst you are young.
France is in big trouble I can see the situation getting worse. | | | |
| Vive la France on 13:36 - Jan 14 with 3033 views | R_from_afar |
| Vive la France on 12:50 - Jan 14 by stevec |
Another good reason to get out of the EU, we won't have to contribute towards their pensions. |
Ahem!
"Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), with a further 70 billion pounds set to be added by the end of this year. That’s based on the damage caused by the U.K. untethering from its Group of Seven peers over the past three years".
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the
PS: I don't want another Brexit war on LFW, but you did start it. [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 13:37]
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| Vive la France on 13:37 - Jan 14 with 3025 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Vive la France on 13:15 - Jan 14 by CroydonCaptJack |
Simply not sustainable. Our pension reforms were too late but no Government wanted to force compulsory contributions through as it is so unpopular. This coupled with the higher retirement age should help considerably. |
It is sustainable, and demonstrably so. | | | |
| Vive la France on 13:38 - Jan 14 with 3016 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Vive la France on 13:29 - Jan 14 by The_Seer |
The French have already tried that under Holland which resulted in an exodus of the wealthy and a lower tax revenue. People will stick 2 fingers up and leave that's the way it is.
You don't have to die at your desk for some faceless company if you plan whilst you are young.
France is in big trouble I can see the situation getting worse. |
How does a geezer who cycles around delivering takeaways plan for his future on £8k a year? | | | |
| Vive la France on 13:48 - Jan 14 with 2962 views | boysfromthebush |
| Vive la France on 13:38 - Jan 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
How does a geezer who cycles around delivering takeaways plan for his future on £8k a year? |
Work hard and get a better job whilst he's still young? | | | |
| Vive la France on 13:53 - Jan 14 with 2948 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Vive la France on 13:48 - Jan 14 by boysfromthebush |
Work hard and get a better job whilst he's still young? |
Is cycling 16 hours a day for 7 days a week with some fat bastard’s Pizza on your back not working hard then? [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 13:53]
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| Vive la France on 13:59 - Jan 14 with 2922 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Vive la France on 13:53 - Jan 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Is cycling 16 hours a day for 7 days a week with some fat bastard’s Pizza on your back not working hard then? [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 13:53]
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What would your career advice be to said person? |  |
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| Vive la France on 14:03 - Jan 14 with 2909 views | stevec |
| Vive la France on 13:53 - Jan 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Is cycling 16 hours a day for 7 days a week with some fat bastard’s Pizza on your back not working hard then? [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 13:53]
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I don't know what you're studying Baz, but I'm guessing it ain't Economics. | | | |
| Vive la France on 14:12 - Jan 14 with 2865 views | stevec |
Haven't you heard?
Everything's FREEEE! | | | |
| Vive la France on 14:24 - Jan 14 with 2813 views | boysfromthebush |
| Vive la France on 13:53 - Jan 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Is cycling 16 hours a day for 7 days a week with some fat bastard’s Pizza on your back not working hard then? [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 13:53]
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Physically yes, of course.
Economically and looking after yourself, non. | | | |
| Vive la France on 14:26 - Jan 14 with 2808 views | DavieQPR |
| Vive la France on 13:36 - Jan 14 by R_from_afar |
Ahem!
"Research by Bloomberg Economics estimates that the economic cost of Brexit has already hit 130 billion pounds ($170 billion), with a further 70 billion pounds set to be added by the end of this year. That’s based on the damage caused by the U.K. untethering from its Group of Seven peers over the past three years".
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-10/-170-billion-and-counting-the
PS: I don't want another Brexit war on LFW, but you did start it. [Post edited 14 Jan 2020 13:37]
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Owned by Democrat hopeful, Multi Billionaire who is only interested in what can get him more money and power. Who in one day spent $860,000 on Facebook ads. |  | | |
| Vive la France on 14:28 - Jan 14 with 2805 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Vive la France on 13:25 - Jan 14 by ericgen34 |
Of course it is sustainable. Our pensions system is vastly different from yours. It is not based on funds and return on investment. It basically is people in work paying the pension of retired people. I am happily paying for the current retired people on the understanding that my pension will be paid when I retire. |
And when people live longer there will be more of them to pay from an ever decreasing % of the working population. | | | |
| Vive la France on 15:12 - Jan 14 with 2734 views | ericgen34 |
| Vive la France on 14:28 - Jan 14 by CroydonCaptJack |
And when people live longer there will be more of them to pay from an ever decreasing % of the working population. |
Yes, but that is a societal choice, and it is ours. It is based on solidarity between generations.
A lot of people reaching retirement age are unemployed (I think it is around 1 in 3), extending the retirement age is not going to increase revenue for the pensioners, it will just reduce the pensions of those that do not manage to reach retirement age thereby making them poorer. If unemployment was tackled and those worked till the end there would be no need to increase retirement age. Add to that the huge tax fraud (estimated up to 100b€ here, a third of the annual pensions bill), the obscene widening gap between rich and poor, and the increasing poverty, even among some working people, it is not surprising people are up in arms against this. Why not tackling these issues first?
Also the rate of life expectancy increase is decreasing, whereas the life in good health expectancy is decreasing. Add to that the effects of global warming and the pesticide food based diet we had in the last 30 years, I dont see life expectancy rising much further.
I know I'm going to be shot down for this but it seems to me England lately has become an each for oneself and sod everyone else society lately, so I am not surprised at the general scoffing at the idea of defending some existing rights - you have after all voted for getting rid of some rights you had | | | |
| Vive la France on 15:22 - Jan 14 with 1612 views | TacticalR |
| Vive la France on 15:12 - Jan 14 by ericgen34 |
Yes, but that is a societal choice, and it is ours. It is based on solidarity between generations.
A lot of people reaching retirement age are unemployed (I think it is around 1 in 3), extending the retirement age is not going to increase revenue for the pensioners, it will just reduce the pensions of those that do not manage to reach retirement age thereby making them poorer. If unemployment was tackled and those worked till the end there would be no need to increase retirement age. Add to that the huge tax fraud (estimated up to 100b€ here, a third of the annual pensions bill), the obscene widening gap between rich and poor, and the increasing poverty, even among some working people, it is not surprising people are up in arms against this. Why not tackling these issues first?
Also the rate of life expectancy increase is decreasing, whereas the life in good health expectancy is decreasing. Add to that the effects of global warming and the pesticide food based diet we had in the last 30 years, I dont see life expectancy rising much further.
I know I'm going to be shot down for this but it seems to me England lately has become an each for oneself and sod everyone else society lately, so I am not surprised at the general scoffing at the idea of defending some existing rights - you have after all voted for getting rid of some rights you had |
The irony is that the more it becomes 'an each for oneself and sod everyone else society', the more the reactionaries led by superliars Bojo and Trump drug up their supporters on nationalism and go on about how we're all in it together. |  |
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| Vive la France on 15:38 - Jan 14 with 1574 views | colinallcars |
I remember watching a TV programme once comparing the lot of retired French and English railway workers. The French retirees packed up in their fifties and were having the life of Riley. The English retirees, in comparison, packed up at 65 and looked pretty jaded. Obviously, not all retirees would be like these but it made me think. Around about that time, I read that in Sweden they were considering giving workers a two year sabbatical when they were 40 so they could have a good time whilst being fairly young. Whether it came about I know not. Maybe Bazza would know. |  | | |
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