| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... 18:28 - Apr 28 with 3164 views | Boris_ |
How many of those 95% had chronic and terminal illnesses and how many died WITH Covid-19 as opposed to BECAUSE of Covid-19
https://news.sky.com/story/cor
Take Eddie Large for example... was in hospital with terminal heart failure and given days to live BEFORE he contracted Covid-19. He dies of heart failure.
His death certificate includes Covid-19 so he's added on to the numbers of Coronavirus deaths.
Does that sound right? It's likely that deaths BECAUSE of Coronavirus are likely to be a couple of thousand ( at the most ).
BECAUSE and WITH are two completely different things. |  |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:15 - Apr 29 with 864 views | Boris_ |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:12 - Apr 29 by Occasional_Showers |
Really?..
I too have voted Labour in the past but i’d never ever vote for that scum party ever again. |
As a BUSINESS owner, it is doubtful that Labour will have policies that I agree with, as it will almost certainly involve more taxation etc but I certainly would't rule them out and I've been slightly impressed with how Starmer has carried himself since taking over.
I would never vote Liberal Democrat again after their policies in the last election to cancel a democratic vote without even including a second referendum. | |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:43 - Apr 29 with 828 views | Sadoldgit |
I think more taxation will be in order in the future whichever party were in power now. And finally maybe those who earn a lot more will pay what is proportionally fair. It’s ironic but the Tories might now find they have to adopt socialist ideologies. Can you imagine the uproar if they try to sell of the NHS when this is over - although perhaps they will use the excuse that we are skint to push that through. I wonder if any of them regret the 10 years of enforced austerity now? We are probably going to have another 10 years of austerity now through necessity, not political dogma. |  | | |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:45 - Apr 29 with 829 views | Boris_ |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:43 - Apr 29 by Sadoldgit |
I think more taxation will be in order in the future whichever party were in power now. And finally maybe those who earn a lot more will pay what is proportionally fair. It’s ironic but the Tories might now find they have to adopt socialist ideologies. Can you imagine the uproar if they try to sell of the NHS when this is over - although perhaps they will use the excuse that we are skint to push that through. I wonder if any of them regret the 10 years of enforced austerity now? We are probably going to have another 10 years of austerity now through necessity, not political dogma. |
Yeah of course! Businesses are going to really struggle to stay afloat for the next couple of years so the obvious choice is to tax them more!
You are a bit simple, aren't you?  | |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 11:00 - Apr 29 with 820 views | RednWight |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:45 - Apr 29 by Boris_ |
Yeah of course! Businesses are going to really struggle to stay afloat for the next couple of years so the obvious choice is to tax them more!
You are a bit simple, aren't you? |
I can’t see taxation not going up |  |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 11:03 - Apr 29 with 816 views | Sadoldgit |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:45 - Apr 29 by Boris_ |
Yeah of course! Businesses are going to really struggle to stay afloat for the next couple of years so the obvious choice is to tax them more!
You are a bit simple, aren't you? |
It would appear that you are the simple one Boris. Where did I say that? General taxes will have to rise at some point will they not? Where will the Governments money come from to rebuild the country? They can only borrow so much. Also why can’t the very rich pay more? If we have learned one thing it is that the super rich can’t function without the lower paid. When did Branson last pay any tax here? Don’t you think that Premier league footballers could afford to pay a bit more? | | | |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 11:41 - Apr 29 with 804 views | grumpy |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 10:45 - Apr 29 by Boris_ |
Yeah of course! Businesses are going to really struggle to stay afloat for the next couple of years so the obvious choice is to tax them more!
You are a bit simple, aren't you? |
Where do you suggest we get the money from to pay for this economic disaster? |  | | |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 12:38 - Apr 29 with 771 views | Sadoldgit |
For the last 10 years the government have not been remotely bothered by the mortality rates caused by their austerity measures. I can’t see another 10 years of the same being any different. | | | |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 12:53 - Apr 29 with 766 views | this_charming_man |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 12:38 - Apr 29 by Sadoldgit |
For the last 10 years the government have not been remotely bothered by the mortality rates caused by their austerity measures. I can’t see another 10 years of the same being any different. |
Where is your proof of this? |  |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 13:19 - Apr 29 with 752 views | JaySaint |
Interestingly, the very little input Cummings had at the SAGE meetings, was to suggest an earlier lockdown..which obviously was rejected.
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 14:06 - Apr 30 with 670 views | Mr_Happy |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 23:28 - Apr 28 by PatfromPoole |
The UK was never going to do well with this type of virus, given the density of the population.
It’s little coincidence that the South West has had the least deaths and hospital visits, given the relatively rural environment.
I personally don’t believe the 95% statistic, particularly in London.
I just don’t see how we can lessen the lockdown, unless the Government does a complete U-turn and accept the 200,000 deaths which the initial studies said we would get if we did not go harsh on the social distancing measures.
It’s for this reason I am so against football returning in any capacity. It’s a stepping stone towards mass deaths. I fail to see how people are blind to this. |
200,000 deaths is a small price to pay so long as we can all drink warm beer and eat microwave food in spoons. |  |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 15:54 - Apr 30 with 629 views | Mr_Happy |
Another four weeks of lockdown due to be announced in the next couple of days. | |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 16:08 - Apr 30 with 616 views | cocklebreath |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 15:54 - Apr 30 by Mr_Happy |
Another four weeks of lockdown due to be announced in the next couple of days. |
Mini trip to Lyme Regis gone, it’s a travesty |  |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 17:19 - Apr 30 with 590 views | Sadoldgit |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 12:53 - Apr 29 by this_charming_man |
Where is your proof of this? |
Because they carried on with their public spending cuts despite the well documented hardships they caused. Have you seen the food banks? Still defending the Tories no matter what the topic.
In 2017 the Royal Society of Medicine said that the government austerity decisions in health and social care were likely to have resulted in 30,000 deaths in England and Wales in 2015.
130,000 deaths since 2012 could have been prevented if improvements in public health policy had not stalled as a direct result of austerity cuts - report in the Guardian.
Google it. There are dozens of reports on the subject. If only you had taken your blinkers off all those years ago eh? Perhaps you would have voted differently at the last election? [Post edited 30 Apr 2020 17:33]
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 16:39 - May 1 with 557 views | Centurion |
I think the excess deaths to what we would normally have in March and April is around 12,000.
In the 1957/58 Asian flu epidemic the death rate was around 30,000 over 6 months. | | | |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 16:45 - May 1 with 555 views | Paninaro83 |
| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 17:19 - Apr 30 by Sadoldgit |
Because they carried on with their public spending cuts despite the well documented hardships they caused. Have you seen the food banks? Still defending the Tories no matter what the topic.
In 2017 the Royal Society of Medicine said that the government austerity decisions in health and social care were likely to have resulted in 30,000 deaths in England and Wales in 2015.
130,000 deaths since 2012 could have been prevented if improvements in public health policy had not stalled as a direct result of austerity cuts - report in the Guardian.
Google it. There are dozens of reports on the subject. If only you had taken your blinkers off all those years ago eh? Perhaps you would have voted differently at the last election? [Post edited 30 Apr 2020 17:33]
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Shocking statistic indeed sadoldgit, you are right that the austerity measures have led to a serve cut in support for the NHS. It's down to us all to do our bit to support the NHS and oppose cuts. I did this by signing up for private health care in 2010 and have continued to hold it ever since, coincidence? | |
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 16:47 - May 1 with 554 views | dirk_doone |
The UK weekly death rate, based simply on the number of death registrations, is double what it normally would be: 24,000 v 12,000.
Of course we are all going to die one day - none of us are immortal - but that doesn't explain the death rate doubling.
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| 95% of victims had serious underlying conditions... on 08:34 - May 2 with 484 views | Centurion |
Further the population of the Uk during the Asian flu was just over 51 million.
So, 30,000 cases from a population of 51 million. | | | |
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