| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 09:39 - Nov 1 with 1255 views | kernow |
I can see lockdown until the clocks go forward again, if not longer. |  | |  |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 10:25 - Nov 1 with 1213 views | Chesham_Saint |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 09:37 - Nov 1 by kentsouthampton |
The bigger picture being that if they had used the last lockdown wisely and readied the NHS for a second wave and sorted test and trace we wouldn't be in this mess, instead we got go to the pub and stuff our faces. |
Track and trace? Maybe I’m missing something, but given there’s a very high percentage of people who would (for many reasons) just ignore or fail to comply with ANY system no matter how effective It was, is it really going to be the ‘silver bullet’ people think? |  |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 10:40 - Nov 1 with 1195 views | kentsouthampton |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 10:25 - Nov 1 by Chesham_Saint |
Track and trace? Maybe I’m missing something, but given there’s a very high percentage of people who would (for many reasons) just ignore or fail to comply with ANY system no matter how effective It was, is it really going to be the ‘silver bullet’ people think? |
Make sure people have enough money to follow the rules, it's all part of an effective system, instead they lined the pockets of Serco's shareholders. |  | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 10:43 - Nov 1 with 1193 views | Waylander |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 09:37 - Nov 1 by kentsouthampton |
The bigger picture being that if they had used the last lockdown wisely and readied the NHS for a second wave and sorted test and trace we wouldn't be in this mess, instead we got go to the pub and stuff our faces. |
Go and look at how other nations "track and trace" is working out.
Answer - no better than ours. | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 10:43 - Nov 1 with 1193 views | Chesham_Saint |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 08:21 - Nov 1 by solent_toffee |
What about all those over 60’s with no health conditions who are fit, active and working?
My father in law still has his own business, goes running every day and is fitter and healthier and far more economically active than many fat arsed slobs much younger than him. |
You’re bang on there Toffs. For every fit 60+ person there’s at least a couple of unfit younger tubsters, so why penalise older folks who have kept themselves fit and have work/family responsibilities?
Also, if we’re talking about isolating supposed ‘high risk’ groups there’s lot of data showing ethnic minorities are also at a higher risk. What do we do for them? Get a Dulux style colour palette chart, hold it up to a persons’s face and allocate isolation/non-isolation on the basis of skin colour? Clearly not. Arbitrarily picking groups in this way is reminiscent of the 1940s and just can’t happen.
It seems to me the only realistic way is to rely on people to ‘risk assess’ themselves and act accordingly. That of course means relying on the “Great British Public”. Good luck with that... | |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:38 - Nov 1 with 1156 views | Sadoldgit |
Pretty much everything this government has done during this pandemic has been too late. At what point will the penny drop and they realise that they need to get onto the front foot. Perhaps if Johnson listened to Starmer more? |  | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:40 - Nov 1 with 1161 views | JaySaint |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:38 - Nov 1 by Sadoldgit |
Pretty much everything this government has done during this pandemic has been too late. At what point will the penny drop and they realise that they need to get onto the front foot. Perhaps if Johnson listened to Starmer more? |
you say that is if it is a fact. The govt need not have a lockdown like this.
remember, since march around 315 people (u60) who did not have serious health issues have died having tested positive for C19. | |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:47 - Nov 1 with 1153 views | saint22 |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:40 - Nov 1 by JaySaint |
you say that is if it is a fact. The govt need not have a lockdown like this.
remember, since march around 315 people (u60) who did not have serious health issues have died having tested positive for C19. |
It is a fact
SAGE told govt if needed a two week lockdown in September they ignored it, cost more lives and now we have a month long one
Why are you all so blind to it?? | | | |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:48 - Nov 1 with 1150 views | JaySaint |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:47 - Nov 1 by saint22 |
It is a fact
SAGE told govt if needed a two week lockdown in September they ignored it, cost more lives and now we have a month long one
Why are you all so blind to it?? |
The govt are being held hostage to the hysteria | |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 12:23 - Nov 1 with 1135 views | kentsouthampton |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 10:43 - Nov 1 by Waylander |
Go and look at how other nations "track and trace" is working out.
Answer - no better than ours. |
Like South Korea, Singapore, Vietnam, Cambodia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Thailand.....it can be done.
Stop talking tripe. | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 12:24 - Nov 1 with 1136 views | kentsouthampton |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 12:25 - Nov 1 with 1132 views | kentsouthampton |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:48 - Nov 1 by JaySaint |
The govt are being held hostage to the hysteria |
Once you begin to look at everything that’s happened, everything that’s still happening, one cannot view this government as anything beyond abusers.
When the problem of Covid came along, they dispensed with centuries of learned wisdom that suggested the best response is to strengthen health care provision, inform and reassure people about the true risks and for everyone’s benefit keep life going as normally as possible.
Instead they turned patients out of hospitals and limited health care access while adopting a deliberate strategy of terrorising people to ensure compliance with measures they ensured saw no parliamentary scrutiny.
Having successfully terrorised the population they set about making sure the fear levels remained high and proportionality never entered the debate. Dissenting voices, alternative avenues of advice were shut down as much as possible.
When Covid all but disappeared by June, they introduced the masks and initiated a casedemic with the use of wholly inappropriate and misleading PCR test results. No reassurance; stoking fear and dependency is the MO of every abuser and our government has been no different.
Then you get the manipulation and humiliation. Eat out to help out, you deserve it, fan that tiny flame of human spirit before it’s extinguished completely. But of course you know what an abuser does next after such an act of benevolence. They need to make you feel guilty and get you back in your box, so the public were told they’d gotten complacent, that case numbers were going back up because of their selfish and ignorant behaviour.
The Government sustains the abuse through leaks and language. Every week since June we’ve been at a “critical point” in our fight with Covid. Every week leaks warn us of what’s round the corner if we don’t better comply with the government. The language of the abuser comes to the fore, “we don’t want to do this but…”, “It’s for your own good”, “you’ve gotten complacent.”
The rules the abuser makes invariably isolate you and make you beholden to their message. Access to friends, family and normality are rationed, withdrawn, briefly granted then taken away again. Morale sapping news is invariably leaked before or during weekends in order to keep your morale and self esteem on the floor.
As the abused you may retain the sense that this isn’t normal behaviour. You may even gloss over the lies and exaggerations of your abuser such as PCR tests and projections, because you concede there is a threat to you and think surely they’re just trying to protect me?
If you start to question the control and coercion of lockdowns and masks, the abuser simply doubles down, shaming you in the process for believing you might know best about how to deal with this problem, this threat. They assure you they have a solution round the corner in a vaccine, you simply have to continue with your obedience a while longer. The latest cruel lie is to equate obedience with the possibility of being allowed a normal Christmas.
I think that’s where most of the population are at the moment. The scales haven’t quite fallen from their eyes. They hate the measures but still believe they’re in their best interests. They have yet to take the final mental steps that lead to them seeing and acknowledging the abuser towering over them.
What are those steps? Well all of you will have gone through them at some point this year.
You realise the problem of Covid has been blown out of all proportion. You realise all that control and coercion you’ve been terrorised into accepting does nothing to solve the problem. You realise the proposed solution of a vaccine is nothing of the sort and completely unnecessary.
And then you have that horrible, dawning realisation. You see that your abuser doesn’t even believe in the efficacy of the rules they’ve imposed on you. Your family meal for seven is ruined while your abuser is free to shoot grouse with their friends. Bars stay open for them, self isolation is not for them.
Then you realise they’re actually profiting from the misery they’re putting you through, via the dodgy tests, pointless vaccine and face masks. They’re lining their own pockets and laughing in your face.
And that’s when you stop crying on the floor, being grateful for whatever morsels your abuser sustains you with. That’s when you up and leave or reach for a heavy, blunt object.
I believe it is our responsibility to help a critical mass of the population arrive at this realisation. For only then can we extricate ourselves from our collective journey down the plughole. | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:00 - Nov 1 with 1101 views | Bazza |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 12:25 - Nov 1 by kentsouthampton |
Once you begin to look at everything that’s happened, everything that’s still happening, one cannot view this government as anything beyond abusers.
When the problem of Covid came along, they dispensed with centuries of learned wisdom that suggested the best response is to strengthen health care provision, inform and reassure people about the true risks and for everyone’s benefit keep life going as normally as possible.
Instead they turned patients out of hospitals and limited health care access while adopting a deliberate strategy of terrorising people to ensure compliance with measures they ensured saw no parliamentary scrutiny.
Having successfully terrorised the population they set about making sure the fear levels remained high and proportionality never entered the debate. Dissenting voices, alternative avenues of advice were shut down as much as possible.
When Covid all but disappeared by June, they introduced the masks and initiated a casedemic with the use of wholly inappropriate and misleading PCR test results. No reassurance; stoking fear and dependency is the MO of every abuser and our government has been no different.
Then you get the manipulation and humiliation. Eat out to help out, you deserve it, fan that tiny flame of human spirit before it’s extinguished completely. But of course you know what an abuser does next after such an act of benevolence. They need to make you feel guilty and get you back in your box, so the public were told they’d gotten complacent, that case numbers were going back up because of their selfish and ignorant behaviour.
The Government sustains the abuse through leaks and language. Every week since June we’ve been at a “critical point” in our fight with Covid. Every week leaks warn us of what’s round the corner if we don’t better comply with the government. The language of the abuser comes to the fore, “we don’t want to do this but…”, “It’s for your own good”, “you’ve gotten complacent.”
The rules the abuser makes invariably isolate you and make you beholden to their message. Access to friends, family and normality are rationed, withdrawn, briefly granted then taken away again. Morale sapping news is invariably leaked before or during weekends in order to keep your morale and self esteem on the floor.
As the abused you may retain the sense that this isn’t normal behaviour. You may even gloss over the lies and exaggerations of your abuser such as PCR tests and projections, because you concede there is a threat to you and think surely they’re just trying to protect me?
If you start to question the control and coercion of lockdowns and masks, the abuser simply doubles down, shaming you in the process for believing you might know best about how to deal with this problem, this threat. They assure you they have a solution round the corner in a vaccine, you simply have to continue with your obedience a while longer. The latest cruel lie is to equate obedience with the possibility of being allowed a normal Christmas.
I think that’s where most of the population are at the moment. The scales haven’t quite fallen from their eyes. They hate the measures but still believe they’re in their best interests. They have yet to take the final mental steps that lead to them seeing and acknowledging the abuser towering over them.
What are those steps? Well all of you will have gone through them at some point this year.
You realise the problem of Covid has been blown out of all proportion. You realise all that control and coercion you’ve been terrorised into accepting does nothing to solve the problem. You realise the proposed solution of a vaccine is nothing of the sort and completely unnecessary.
And then you have that horrible, dawning realisation. You see that your abuser doesn’t even believe in the efficacy of the rules they’ve imposed on you. Your family meal for seven is ruined while your abuser is free to shoot grouse with their friends. Bars stay open for them, self isolation is not for them.
Then you realise they’re actually profiting from the misery they’re putting you through, via the dodgy tests, pointless vaccine and face masks. They’re lining their own pockets and laughing in your face.
And that’s when you stop crying on the floor, being grateful for whatever morsels your abuser sustains you with. That’s when you up and leave or reach for a heavy, blunt object.
I believe it is our responsibility to help a critical mass of the population arrive at this realisation. For only then can we extricate ourselves from our collective journey down the plughole. |
Wrong on so many points as usual. We get it you’re anti-Tory.
Your comments should come with a health warning attached | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:28 - Nov 1 with 1091 views | kentsouthampton |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:00 - Nov 1 by Bazza |
Wrong on so many points as usual. We get it you’re anti-Tory.
Your comments should come with a health warning attached |
Which points and why? | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:29 - Nov 1 with 1078 views | Sadoldgit |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:47 - Nov 1 by saint22 |
It is a fact
SAGE told govt if needed a two week lockdown in September they ignored it, cost more lives and now we have a month long one
Why are you all so blind to it?? |
So much for following the science. I guess the fact that Starmer was also calling for a short lockdown at the time put them off going for it too. | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:40 - Nov 1 with 1080 views | Bicester_North |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 12:25 - Nov 1 by kentsouthampton |
Once you begin to look at everything that’s happened, everything that’s still happening, one cannot view this government as anything beyond abusers.
When the problem of Covid came along, they dispensed with centuries of learned wisdom that suggested the best response is to strengthen health care provision, inform and reassure people about the true risks and for everyone’s benefit keep life going as normally as possible.
Instead they turned patients out of hospitals and limited health care access while adopting a deliberate strategy of terrorising people to ensure compliance with measures they ensured saw no parliamentary scrutiny.
Having successfully terrorised the population they set about making sure the fear levels remained high and proportionality never entered the debate. Dissenting voices, alternative avenues of advice were shut down as much as possible.
When Covid all but disappeared by June, they introduced the masks and initiated a casedemic with the use of wholly inappropriate and misleading PCR test results. No reassurance; stoking fear and dependency is the MO of every abuser and our government has been no different.
Then you get the manipulation and humiliation. Eat out to help out, you deserve it, fan that tiny flame of human spirit before it’s extinguished completely. But of course you know what an abuser does next after such an act of benevolence. They need to make you feel guilty and get you back in your box, so the public were told they’d gotten complacent, that case numbers were going back up because of their selfish and ignorant behaviour.
The Government sustains the abuse through leaks and language. Every week since June we’ve been at a “critical point” in our fight with Covid. Every week leaks warn us of what’s round the corner if we don’t better comply with the government. The language of the abuser comes to the fore, “we don’t want to do this but…”, “It’s for your own good”, “you’ve gotten complacent.”
The rules the abuser makes invariably isolate you and make you beholden to their message. Access to friends, family and normality are rationed, withdrawn, briefly granted then taken away again. Morale sapping news is invariably leaked before or during weekends in order to keep your morale and self esteem on the floor.
As the abused you may retain the sense that this isn’t normal behaviour. You may even gloss over the lies and exaggerations of your abuser such as PCR tests and projections, because you concede there is a threat to you and think surely they’re just trying to protect me?
If you start to question the control and coercion of lockdowns and masks, the abuser simply doubles down, shaming you in the process for believing you might know best about how to deal with this problem, this threat. They assure you they have a solution round the corner in a vaccine, you simply have to continue with your obedience a while longer. The latest cruel lie is to equate obedience with the possibility of being allowed a normal Christmas.
I think that’s where most of the population are at the moment. The scales haven’t quite fallen from their eyes. They hate the measures but still believe they’re in their best interests. They have yet to take the final mental steps that lead to them seeing and acknowledging the abuser towering over them.
What are those steps? Well all of you will have gone through them at some point this year.
You realise the problem of Covid has been blown out of all proportion. You realise all that control and coercion you’ve been terrorised into accepting does nothing to solve the problem. You realise the proposed solution of a vaccine is nothing of the sort and completely unnecessary.
And then you have that horrible, dawning realisation. You see that your abuser doesn’t even believe in the efficacy of the rules they’ve imposed on you. Your family meal for seven is ruined while your abuser is free to shoot grouse with their friends. Bars stay open for them, self isolation is not for them.
Then you realise they’re actually profiting from the misery they’re putting you through, via the dodgy tests, pointless vaccine and face masks. They’re lining their own pockets and laughing in your face.
And that’s when you stop crying on the floor, being grateful for whatever morsels your abuser sustains you with. That’s when you up and leave or reach for a heavy, blunt object.
I believe it is our responsibility to help a critical mass of the population arrive at this realisation. For only then can we extricate ourselves from our collective journey down the plughole. |
Bored during the first half, kitchen fantasist? | |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:45 - Nov 1 with 1076 views | kentsouthampton |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:40 - Nov 1 by Bicester_North |
Bored during the first half, kitchen fantasist? |
Still trailing me around like a love sick puppy I see, seriously you need therapy. | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 17:11 - Nov 1 with 1057 views | Bicester_North |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:45 - Nov 1 by kentsouthampton |
Still trailing me around like a love sick puppy I see, seriously you need therapy. |
I’d say a demented oap skate acting like a 15 year old, trolling his rival’s mongboard with dribbling rage, pretending he has an expensive kitchen, is a better case for therapy than me laughing at you. | |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 18:47 - Nov 1 with 1021 views | saint22 |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 11:48 - Nov 1 by JaySaint |
The govt are being held hostage to the hysteria |
Yes it’s all hysteria, while in the meantime people die because Boris dithers | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 18:53 - Nov 1 with 1016 views | Bison |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:29 - Nov 1 by Sadoldgit |
So much for following the science. I guess the fact that Starmer was also calling for a short lockdown at the time put them off going for it too. |
If we followed the science they would ban religion |  |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 18:56 - Nov 1 with 1012 views | saint22 |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 18:53 - Nov 1 by Bison |
If we followed the science they would ban religion |
Not exactly a bad idea | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 19:06 - Nov 1 with 996 views | 1885_SFC |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 18:53 - Nov 1 by Bison |
If we followed the science they would ban religion |
Indeed. Cue the clueless halfwits...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54768430 |  |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 00:06 - Nov 2 with 941 views | Chesham_Saint |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 16:00 - Nov 1 by Bazza |
Wrong on so many points as usual. We get it you’re anti-Tory.
Your comments should come with a health warning attached |
Kudos for reading all of that Bazza, I got as far as “Kent... 🥱😴 | |
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| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 06:57 - Nov 2 with 896 views | kentsouthampton |
Nigel is riding to our rescue. | | | |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 10:02 - Nov 2 with 841 views | Sadoldgit |
| New National Lockdown from Wednesday on 06:57 - Nov 2 by kentsouthampton |
Nigel is riding to our rescue. |
Will we ever get rid of him? It doesn’t look like it anytime soon.
Still, we have something for more interesting to get excited about. Which cabinet minister leaked the news about the lockdown? Apparently it is one of Gove, Sunak or Hancock. Peter Panemic doesn’t have the gumption. Gove has previous with stabbing a Johnson in the back and clearly fancies his chances as the next PM but a good outside bet could be Smiling Sunak. Apparently he is doing all the “right things” behind the seems to manoeuvre himself into contention when Johnson gets ditched. | | | |
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