| UK and EU deal done 14:51 - Dec 24 with 8736 views | Saintsforeverj |
Reported on sky news. Boris has got the deal that respects all our red lines. Food won't go up, free trade deal agreed, we make our own laws and we can watch Saints in Europe next year. Sorry for another political thread, but this is good news for us all. Congratulations Boris for getting what the brexiteers voted for and we won't have the no deal that was threatened. Money talks, the EU were never going to lose billions and neither was the UK. He has got Brexit done. [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 14:54]
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| UK and EU deal done on 12:38 - Dec 27 with 1240 views | JaySaint |
| UK and EU deal done on 12:04 - Dec 27 by Bicester_North |
2 things- “Kent” is a strange skate who thinks he has to pretend to strangers that he has a really expensive kitchen
Kibasi who the NYT took that quote from is a guardian writer, left wing think tank director, and highly vocal anti Brexit/Tory etc.
These people have been desperate for the whole thing to ruin the country, and are extra angry now this deal has been achieved. |
totally agree
The dreaded no-deal scenario has gone. The deal everyone said was impossible has come to fruition. Free trade/quota free is on happening.
The SNP must be furious, they needed something bad. Instead, they are screaming about the 5% of Seed Spuds that go to the EU. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 12:57]
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| UK and EU deal done on 13:14 - Dec 27 with 1208 views | Berber |
| UK and EU deal done on 12:38 - Dec 27 by JaySaint |
totally agree
The dreaded no-deal scenario has gone. The deal everyone said was impossible has come to fruition. Free trade/quota free is on happening.
The SNP must be furious, they needed something bad. Instead, they are screaming about the 5% of Seed Spuds that go to the EU. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 12:57]
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The Scotch Witch (yes I know) will make anything originating in Westminster sound like a murderous attack on Scottish nationhood, and the only solution is independence. The SNP are grubby, wasteful self promoters who say one thing then do something else, much the same as most politicians .
I've been to Meadowfield to watch the rugby, and once they have bellowed out Flower of Scotland, manage to make about as much noise as a pensioners coach trip as they swig from their hip flasks. |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 13:34 - Dec 27 with 1195 views | JaySaint |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:14 - Dec 27 by Berber |
The Scotch Witch (yes I know) will make anything originating in Westminster sound like a murderous attack on Scottish nationhood, and the only solution is independence. The SNP are grubby, wasteful self promoters who say one thing then do something else, much the same as most politicians .
I've been to Meadowfield to watch the rugby, and once they have bellowed out Flower of Scotland, manage to make about as much noise as a pensioners coach trip as they swig from their hip flasks. |
You could quite easily imagine a scenario of Westminster has historically been pro-eu (ie, the question was never really a thing)...the SNP would be pushing for an exit to a degree that old Farage would have been an admirer.
How she gets a relatively free-ride from our (london focused) god-awful media, is beyond me | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 13:57 - Dec 27 with 1183 views | Sadoldgit |
| UK and EU deal done on 12:38 - Dec 27 by JaySaint |
totally agree
The dreaded no-deal scenario has gone. The deal everyone said was impossible has come to fruition. Free trade/quota free is on happening.
The SNP must be furious, they needed something bad. Instead, they are screaming about the 5% of Seed Spuds that go to the EU. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 12:57]
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To be fair, if you believe in democracy, the Scots did vote to remain in the EU so it is understandable that they are not happy bunnies. The original referendum might have gone the other way if they had known what with happen in the EU referendum. |  | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:13 - Dec 27 with 1168 views | JaySaint |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:57 - Dec 27 by Sadoldgit |
To be fair, if you believe in democracy, the Scots did vote to remain in the EU so it is understandable that they are not happy bunnies. The original referendum might have gone the other way if they had known what with happen in the EU referendum. |
They voted to remain in the UK. They never voted as a country to remain in the EU (they never have).
But good luck to them if they want to go alone. It will totally destroy the basket case of a country, but good luck to them | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 14:29 - Dec 27 with 1153 views | Chesham_Saint |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:57 - Dec 27 by Sadoldgit |
To be fair, if you believe in democracy, the Scots did vote to remain in the EU so it is understandable that they are not happy bunnies. The original referendum might have gone the other way if they had known what with happen in the EU referendum. |
Saying “the Scots” never voted to leave is a complete red herring.
“Scotland” as a country was never a member in its own right. Its membership was down to being part of the U.K. as a whole.
During the period of the UK’s membership of the EU Scotland did however vote to remain in the U.K.
The U.K. then as a whole voted to leave, so Wee Kranky’s argument is fallacious and what’s more, you know it. |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 15:32 - Dec 27 with 1131 views | Bazza |
The Scots are subsidised by English taxpayers and they will never be allowed use the £ as their currency. If they truly want to leave good luck!
Still upset that the Scottish universities are allowed to charge big fees to English students but not to Spanish or other EU students. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:41 - Dec 27 with 1101 views | Sadoldgit |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:29 - Dec 27 by Chesham_Saint |
Saying “the Scots” never voted to leave is a complete red herring.
“Scotland” as a country was never a member in its own right. Its membership was down to being part of the U.K. as a whole.
During the period of the UK’s membership of the EU Scotland did however vote to remain in the U.K.
The U.K. then as a whole voted to leave, so Wee Kranky’s argument is fallacious and what’s more, you know it. |
Their point is that the UK was part of the EU when they held their vote and there was no plan to leave. Perhaps the vote to them to remain part of the union would have turned out differently if they had know that the UK was going to leave? Surely it would be democratic to give them another vote given that the situation has changed so much? | | | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 16:56 - Dec 27 with 1093 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:13 - Dec 27 by JaySaint |
They voted to remain in the UK. They never voted as a country to remain in the EU (they never have).
But good luck to them if they want to go alone. It will totally destroy the basket case of a country, but good luck to them |
'the basket case of a country'
That's a disgraceful thing to say
They are nothing like that, Scots have fought bravely beside us during wars.
Scotland have produced some of the finest engineers the world has ever seen.
Next time you need Penicillin, have a thought who discovered it.
It will be a sad day if they left the Union. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 16:59]
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| UK and EU deal done on 17:13 - Dec 27 with 1079 views | Saintsforeverj |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:41 - Dec 27 by Sadoldgit |
Their point is that the UK was part of the EU when they held their vote and there was no plan to leave. Perhaps the vote to them to remain part of the union would have turned out differently if they had know that the UK was going to leave? Surely it would be democratic to give them another vote given that the situation has changed so much? |
In time, I agree that being things have changed, Scotland has the right to have another referendum and I think that time will come. But not yet. Scotland needs a bit of time outside of the EU, and then they can make up their mind. Yes they probably have the right to another independence vote, but now is not the time imo. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 17:14]
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| UK and EU deal done on 17:19 - Dec 27 with 1073 views | Chesham_Saint |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:41 - Dec 27 by Sadoldgit |
Their point is that the UK was part of the EU when they held their vote and there was no plan to leave. Perhaps the vote to them to remain part of the union would have turned out differently if they had know that the UK was going to leave? Surely it would be democratic to give them another vote given that the situation has changed so much? |
They also didn’t know that the price of oil was going to go through the floor and thus render the Indy 2014 financials impossible.
They didn’t know that the world would be hit by a pandemic rendering all economic forecasts hopelessly irrelevant.
They assumed they could use Sterling indefinitely (and thereby be subject to the whims of the Governer of the B of E, FFS) and they certainly didn’t factor in any backlash to them “divorcing” the rest of the U.K. (I know a fair few people who would simply boycott Scottish goods the moment they left the Union).
Oh and they also didn’t know that an SNP government would see the once high achieving Scots tumble down the education standards ladder faster than Prince Andrew driving to a Pizza Hut.
What they did know was that they would be voting for a United Kingdom and any later vote, be it a GE or referendum would reflect the view of the majority of those eligible to vote in the U.K. not just the Scots.
Further, they were assured by the SNP that this would be a “once in a life time vote”. Fvcking hell, I know life in the Gorbals can be shit, but I didn’t know life expectancy was now down to 6 years. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 17:20 - Dec 27 with 1072 views | JaySaint |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:56 - Dec 27 by grumpy |
'the basket case of a country'
That's a disgraceful thing to say
They are nothing like that, Scots have fought bravely beside us during wars.
Scotland have produced some of the finest engineers the world has ever seen.
Next time you need Penicillin, have a thought who discovered it.
It will be a sad day if they left the Union. [Post edited 27 Dec 2020 16:59]
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That is a nice history lesson, but no way resembles what Scotland would be on its own today
Their finances mean they are a basket case and no where near in anything resembling a good fiscal state to be considered Joining the EU.
Imagine swapping FoM to the rUK for the EU. Scotland is hardly a pull to our continental brothers.
Don't forget, the SNP effectively campaigned to leave the EU in 2014. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 17:49 - Dec 27 with 1051 views | Butty101 |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:41 - Dec 27 by Sadoldgit |
Their point is that the UK was part of the EU when they held their vote and there was no plan to leave. Perhaps the vote to them to remain part of the union would have turned out differently if they had know that the UK was going to leave? Surely it would be democratic to give them another vote given that the situation has changed so much? |
If Scotland want to go, let them. I doubt they can afford the expensive divorce settlement to leave the Uk. Plus there isn’t chance thy will be allowed into the eu on their own. |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 17:56 - Dec 27 with 1035 views | Saintsforeverj |
| UK and EU deal done on 17:49 - Dec 27 by Butty101 |
If Scotland want to go, let them. I doubt they can afford the expensive divorce settlement to leave the Uk. Plus there isn’t chance thy will be allowed into the eu on their own. |
I'm all for democracy. If there is a sense that Scotland want to go alone, and being that they did vote to remain in the EU, then as you say let them. It's up to them. I wouldn't be in favour of it but I'm not Scottish so it's not for me to say. I suspect most of the Scots will realise that being outside the EU with a deal, isn't as bad after all, and will end up voting to stay, but being as there has been a massive change, and to be fair, Scotland voted to remain, then let them have their vote but now isn't the time. Democracy should prevail, it's up to them. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 19:19 - Dec 27 with 999 views | Sadoldgit |
| UK and EU deal done on 17:49 - Dec 27 by Butty101 |
If Scotland want to go, let them. I doubt they can afford the expensive divorce settlement to leave the Uk. Plus there isn’t chance thy will be allowed into the eu on their own. |
This is an interesting point. They have been a member of the EU as part of the UK of course and are only leaving because they have not been given the choice, so why not let them stay if they got their independence? | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 21:03 - Dec 27 with 958 views | Berber |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:57 - Dec 27 by Sadoldgit |
To be fair, if you believe in democracy, the Scots did vote to remain in the EU so it is understandable that they are not happy bunnies. The original referendum might have gone the other way if they had known what with happen in the EU referendum. |
They first voted to remain in the UK, and voted to remain in the EU as part of a UK vote, not as a potential independent country. The SNP will, of course keep bending the facts and scenarios to suit their own ends as they always have done. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 09:50 - Dec 28 with 886 views | kernow |
| UK and EU deal done on 21:03 - Dec 27 by Berber |
They first voted to remain in the UK, and voted to remain in the EU as part of a UK vote, not as a potential independent country. The SNP will, of course keep bending the facts and scenarios to suit their own ends as they always have done. |
They are a political party. Why would they not? | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 10:56 - Dec 28 with 851 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 21:03 - Dec 27 by Berber |
They first voted to remain in the UK, and voted to remain in the EU as part of a UK vote, not as a potential independent country. The SNP will, of course keep bending the facts and scenarios to suit their own ends as they always have done. |
The Scottish referendum was about being part of the UK while it was in the EU.
Completely new scenario now as we have left while Scotland voted to remain.
oh! and don't we have a government that bends the facts and scenarios to suit their own ends?
We are going to pay big time for leaving the EU, ridiculous decision,waste of time and money. [Post edited 28 Dec 2020 11:00]
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| UK and EU deal done on 13:03 - Dec 28 with 803 views | Berber |
| UK and EU deal done on 10:56 - Dec 28 by grumpy |
The Scottish referendum was about being part of the UK while it was in the EU.
Completely new scenario now as we have left while Scotland voted to remain.
oh! and don't we have a government that bends the facts and scenarios to suit their own ends?
We are going to pay big time for leaving the EU, ridiculous decision,waste of time and money. [Post edited 28 Dec 2020 11:00]
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The commitment to a referendum on leaving the EU was made around the same time as a commitment to hold the Indyref. Both commitments made before a general election and both actioned after the Conservatives won the election. There is no way that Scots didn't know that leaving the EU would be an option.
The fact that things have changed is always true, they can change back. When the Scots signed the treaty to join the Union, they did not do it with the proviso, "Well, we can always change back if we don't like it in a couple of years"
I accept the points made about governments and political parties. I even think that different thinking and points of view are both interesting and formative. What I don't agree with it breaking contracts or treaties. Perceived breaches can be remedied under international law. The Scots courts are currently considering if the Scottish devolved parliament have the right to hold a referendum for independence, which may provide a basis for the first step down this route. It all looks a bit "Donald Trump" to me though. I certainly don't think we should go along with the SNP, especially after the assurances they gave about the last vote being once in a generation, which in no way can be assessed at 5 years - unless we are talking rabbits or something like that. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 16:04 - Dec 28 with 739 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:03 - Dec 28 by Berber |
The commitment to a referendum on leaving the EU was made around the same time as a commitment to hold the Indyref. Both commitments made before a general election and both actioned after the Conservatives won the election. There is no way that Scots didn't know that leaving the EU would be an option.
The fact that things have changed is always true, they can change back. When the Scots signed the treaty to join the Union, they did not do it with the proviso, "Well, we can always change back if we don't like it in a couple of years"
I accept the points made about governments and political parties. I even think that different thinking and points of view are both interesting and formative. What I don't agree with it breaking contracts or treaties. Perceived breaches can be remedied under international law. The Scots courts are currently considering if the Scottish devolved parliament have the right to hold a referendum for independence, which may provide a basis for the first step down this route. It all looks a bit "Donald Trump" to me though. I certainly don't think we should go along with the SNP, especially after the assurances they gave about the last vote being once in a generation, which in no way can be assessed at 5 years - unless we are talking rabbits or something like that. |
The Scottish Referendum(2014) and the EU referendum(2016) were two years apart.
Scotland and N.Ireland both voted to remain in the EU.
When such an important vote(which I don't think should have happened anyway) is as close as it was and considering the way it was conducted it just served to divide the nation.
Brexit will tear up the Union. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:34 - Dec 28 with 726 views | Berber |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:04 - Dec 28 by grumpy |
The Scottish Referendum(2014) and the EU referendum(2016) were two years apart.
Scotland and N.Ireland both voted to remain in the EU.
When such an important vote(which I don't think should have happened anyway) is as close as it was and considering the way it was conducted it just served to divide the nation.
Brexit will tear up the Union. |
There is no doubt that Scotland is the most likely leaver, but let's see how the legals work out. But they were pressing for independence when we were in the EU, so I don't think Brexit has any impact other than give the whingers another spurious argument. But that is just my opinion, and I know there are strongly held and wide ranging beliefs on this. I know a few Scots who would move to England if they left the Union, not because they want to be English, but part of the Union. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 16:41 - Dec 28 with 721 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:34 - Dec 28 by Berber |
There is no doubt that Scotland is the most likely leaver, but let's see how the legals work out. But they were pressing for independence when we were in the EU, so I don't think Brexit has any impact other than give the whingers another spurious argument. But that is just my opinion, and I know there are strongly held and wide ranging beliefs on this. I know a few Scots who would move to England if they left the Union, not because they want to be English, but part of the Union. |
If they moved to England when Scotland left the union there would be no union. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:52 - Dec 28 with 709 views | MattFinish |
I'm sure Boris has got a deal which equals the way he has dealt with the pandemic. It will be a world beating deal  |  | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 17:00 - Dec 28 with 701 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:52 - Dec 28 by MattFinish |
I'm sure Boris has got a deal which equals the way he has dealt with the pandemic. It will be a world beating deal |
How yer doing, Matt?.
Don't you love all this EU stuff?
Boris is such a splendid chap to get us this world beating deal. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 19:55 - Dec 28 with 638 views | Bazza |
| UK and EU deal done on 16:41 - Dec 28 by grumpy |
If they moved to England when Scotland left the union there would be no union. |
Ask yourself will Scotland be able to achieve the requirements to get acceptance into the EU? | | | |
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