| UK and EU deal done 14:51 - Dec 24 with 8745 views | Saintsforeverj |
Reported on sky news. Boris has got the deal that respects all our red lines. Food won't go up, free trade deal agreed, we make our own laws and we can watch Saints in Europe next year. Sorry for another political thread, but this is good news for us all. Congratulations Boris for getting what the brexiteers voted for and we won't have the no deal that was threatened. Money talks, the EU were never going to lose billions and neither was the UK. He has got Brexit done. [Post edited 24 Dec 2020 14:54]
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| UK and EU deal done on 21:24 - Dec 28 with 1074 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 19:55 - Dec 28 by Bazza |
Ask yourself will Scotland be able to achieve the requirements to get acceptance into the EU? |
Ask yourself how did Lithuania ,Malta, Slovenia? |  | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 22:23 - Dec 28 with 1038 views | Butty101 |
| UK and EU deal done on 19:55 - Dec 28 by Bazza |
Ask yourself will Scotland be able to achieve the requirements to get acceptance into the EU? |
As you probably know, none of those countries are full members.
Scotland would be a drain in Europe resources and it would take them decades to get in. The eu haven’t been encouraging Scotland to come back.
As I said, they would get a hefty divorce bill for leaving the uk, won’t be able to use sterling and the oil industry is broke. So I’m not sure how they would support themselves |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 22:53 - Dec 28 with 1015 views | Sadoldgit |
| UK and EU deal done on 21:24 - Dec 28 by grumpy |
Ask yourself how did Lithuania ,Malta, Slovenia? |
I can’t speak for the EU, but I do think that they would like to keep part of the UK as a member just for political reasons. |  | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 22:59 - Dec 28 with 1013 views | 1885_SFC |
We all know that Sturgeon is a cantankerous cow. If the Scots had another independence vote next year - and lost yet again - she'd insist on another vote 5-years later under the banner of 'Is Brexit Working for Scotland Five Years On?'. |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 00:28 - Dec 29 with 974 views | DorsetIan |
| UK and EU deal done on 22:23 - Dec 28 by Butty101 |
As you probably know, none of those countries are full members.
Scotland would be a drain in Europe resources and it would take them decades to get in. The eu haven’t been encouraging Scotland to come back.
As I said, they would get a hefty divorce bill for leaving the uk, won’t be able to use sterling and the oil industry is broke. So I’m not sure how they would support themselves |
There are 27 members of the EU, and Lithuania, Malta and Slovenia are three of them.
What’s more they are all part of the Eurozone and they are all in the Schengen area.
You should have a word with whoever told you they weren’t ‘full’ members. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 00:48 - Dec 29 with 977 views | dirk_doone |
| UK and EU deal done on 00:28 - Dec 29 by DorsetIan |
There are 27 members of the EU, and Lithuania, Malta and Slovenia are three of them.
What’s more they are all part of the Eurozone and they are all in the Schengen area.
You should have a word with whoever told you they weren’t ‘full’ members. |
If Scotland can get back into the EU, it will race ahead of England both economically and culturally, like Croatia and Slovenia did to Serbia after extreme Serbian nationalists precipitated the breakup of Yugoslavia.
You can create a great nation by force but to hold it together, you need to be diplomatic and inclusive. If you're not, you'll cause it to fall apart. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 8:05]
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| UK and EU deal done on 08:22 - Dec 29 with 914 views | Butty101 |
| UK and EU deal done on 00:28 - Dec 29 by DorsetIan |
There are 27 members of the EU, and Lithuania, Malta and Slovenia are three of them.
What’s more they are all part of the Eurozone and they are all in the Schengen area.
You should have a word with whoever told you they weren’t ‘full’ members. |
Well there you I didn’t know that | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 08:37 - Dec 29 with 898 views | dirk_doone |
The average wealth of the countries inside the EU is significantly higher than that of the countries outside it. Only the very poorest of the European countries, like Moldova, Ukraine. Kosovo, Albania, Belarus and Serbia, can't get into the EU. Because of Brexit, Scotland will leave the UK and it will be accepted by the EU very quickly.
GDP (nominal) per capita of sovereign states in Europe
Rank in Europe Country US$
1 Luxembourg 104,103
2 Switzerland 80,190
3 Norway 75,505
4 Iceland 70,057
5 Ireland 77,450
6 Denmark 56,308
7 Sweden 53,442
8 San Marino 49,664
9 Netherlands 48,223
10 Austria 47,291
11 Finland 45,703
12 Germany 44,470
13 Belgium 43,324
14 France 40,043
15 United Kingdom 39,720
16 Andorra 39,147
17 Italy 31,953
18 Spain 28,157
19 Malta 26,946
20 Cyprus 25,234
21 Slovenia 23,597
22 Portugal 21,136
23 Czech Republic 20,368
24 Estonia 19,705
25 Greece 18,613
26 Slovakia 17,605
27 Lithuania 16,681
28 Latvia 15,594
29 Hungary 14,225
30 Poland 13,454
31 Croatia 13,295
32 Romania 10,814
33 Russia 10,743
– World 10,714
34 Turkey 10,541
35 Bulgaria 8,032
36 Montenegro 7,670
37 Serbia 5,900
38 Belarus 5,726
39 North Macedonia 5,443
40 Bosnia and Herzegovina 5,181
41 Albania 4,538
– Kosovo 3,894
42 Ukraine 2,640
43 Moldova 2,290 [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 8:53]
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| UK and EU deal done on 09:26 - Dec 29 with 853 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 00:48 - Dec 29 by dirk_doone |
If Scotland can get back into the EU, it will race ahead of England both economically and culturally, like Croatia and Slovenia did to Serbia after extreme Serbian nationalists precipitated the breakup of Yugoslavia.
You can create a great nation by force but to hold it together, you need to be diplomatic and inclusive. If you're not, you'll cause it to fall apart. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 8:05]
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'You can create a great nation by force but to hold it together, you need to be diplomatic and inclusive. If you're not, you'll cause it to fall apart'
Exactly, Dirk.
This Government will meet on Wednesday to vote on a deal the details of which are in an over thousand paged very detailed document which MPS have had just a few days to pour over. How can that be right?
Labour have no option than to vote for it as businesses and the country need to prepare to implement it.
The Government has dealt with Brexit as well as they have done with the Virus. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 09:31 - Dec 29 with 852 views | Bison |
The SNP says Scotland want to stay in Europe as they have a large trading partnership with them, that’s not what their own export statistics tell us. In 2017 Scotland exported £48.9 billion to the rest of Britain, £17.6billion to the rest of the world and £14.9billion to Europe, so their biggest exporter is the one they want to leave.
The SNP says leaving Europe will cost up to 100,000 Scottish jobs, it has never mentioned what it would cost in jobs if it left the rest of the UK. |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 09:48 - Dec 29 with 846 views | dirk_doone |
| UK and EU deal done on 09:31 - Dec 29 by Bison |
The SNP says Scotland want to stay in Europe as they have a large trading partnership with them, that’s not what their own export statistics tell us. In 2017 Scotland exported £48.9 billion to the rest of Britain, £17.6billion to the rest of the world and £14.9billion to Europe, so their biggest exporter is the one they want to leave.
The SNP says leaving Europe will cost up to 100,000 Scottish jobs, it has never mentioned what it would cost in jobs if it left the rest of the UK. |
Publicly, the SNP criticized Brexit but privately they were rubbing their hands with glee as it's played right into their hands. You can go up there and argue until you're blue in the face but Brexit has now given the Scottish independence movement unstoppable momentum. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 11:29 - Dec 29 with 812 views | Chesham_Saint |
| UK and EU deal done on 09:48 - Dec 29 by dirk_doone |
Publicly, the SNP criticized Brexit but privately they were rubbing their hands with glee as it's played right into their hands. You can go up there and argue until you're blue in the face but Brexit has now given the Scottish independence movement unstoppable momentum. |
Unstoppable momentum right up until it hits the immovable object of the economics of the proposition... |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 11:41 - Dec 29 with 806 views | kernow |
| UK and EU deal done on 11:29 - Dec 29 by Chesham_Saint |
Unstoppable momentum right up until it hits the immovable object of the economics of the proposition... |
A bit like Brexit really then. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:16 - Dec 29 with 748 views | DorsetIan |
Suspect the Scots will stay, but only because no one will grant them another referendum.
Catalonia showed how things can get very messy if somewhere declares UDI. | |
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| UK and EU deal done on 13:24 - Dec 29 with 745 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 09:31 - Dec 29 by Bison |
The SNP says Scotland want to stay in Europe as they have a large trading partnership with them, that’s not what their own export statistics tell us. In 2017 Scotland exported £48.9 billion to the rest of Britain, £17.6billion to the rest of the world and £14.9billion to Europe, so their biggest exporter is the one they want to leave.
The SNP says leaving Europe will cost up to 100,000 Scottish jobs, it has never mentioned what it would cost in jobs if it left the rest of the UK. |
Scotland's exports have increased by 87% in the past decade and it contributes over 4.25 billion to the UK economy, making up a quarter of all its food and drink revenues .It is also one of the UK's top five manufacturing export earners.
I don't want Scotland to leave the Union but Boris is their best argument to do just that. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:28 - Dec 29 with 740 views | Bridders2 |
Anyway the first day of trading since the Deal was announced has seen the stock market surge to early March levels, based on prospects for British companies. Also they predict a surge in consumer spending to boost the economy as Britons unleash a spending spree. They have increased their savings by £115 bn over the last 8 months. No matter what the remoaners say, you can feel the optimism. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:59 - Dec 29 with 723 views | Berber |
So let's get some misrepresentative nonsense out of the way.
Britain will NOT be worse off outside of the EU compared to now. Jobs (in any significant volume) are unlikely to be lost as a result of Brexit. The economic forecasts (and they are just that, projections) are all positive from where we are at currently. The forecasters just say that the economy would be better if we remain in the EU. None of the projections could be proved until events unfold, and most economic forecasts prove to be notably pessimistic anyway.
The wealth per capita figures don't mean anything in relation to the big boys world. Out of the top 10, 8 are major beneficiaries of EU charity donations, ie big time net receivers. The two that are not are Norway (who are not a member) but pay mightily to play in the game out of their immense sovereign wealth fund created by oil and gas revenues. Their population is tiny compared to the wealth generating nations. Switzerland similar, tiny population getting the benefit of stolen WW2 assets and unscrupulous capitalists hiding their money from the tax man (despite the so called open transparency proclaimed by the Swiss government). Luxembourg to a lesser extent.
Britain was and always would be a hefty net contributor. The EU has always used is muscle on the smaller net receiver nations to get their own way. Sure they let them whinge and moan, but when it comes down to it, the threat of withdrawn benefits so as to even up soon gets them in line. Look at Ireland, where, aside of historical differences with us, have been milking the EU since they joined, whilst offering ludicrously low tax deals to multinationals operating in Europe to get the majority of their profits booked in the Republic. "We always pay the taxes due in the countries where we operate." Hoho. Meantime, Ireland is reeling in taxes (and net wealth per capita) that could and should be going to many of the net contributor countries (including us), increasing their net wealth per capita. Luxembourg similarly. |  |
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| UK and EU deal done on 14:02 - Dec 29 with 715 views | kernow |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:28 - Dec 29 by Bridders2 |
Anyway the first day of trading since the Deal was announced has seen the stock market surge to early March levels, based on prospects for British companies. Also they predict a surge in consumer spending to boost the economy as Britons unleash a spending spree. They have increased their savings by £115 bn over the last 8 months. No matter what the remoaners say, you can feel the optimism. |
Well that's positive.
I hope it continues. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:11 - Dec 29 with 703 views | kernow |
Banks not so upbeat, it seems. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:17 - Dec 29 with 695 views | Bridders2 |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:11 - Dec 29 by kernow |
Banks not so upbeat, it seems. |
Banks are the only part of the index that has fallen everything else is positive. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:19 - Dec 29 with 689 views | Sadoldgit |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:28 - Dec 29 by Bridders2 |
Anyway the first day of trading since the Deal was announced has seen the stock market surge to early March levels, based on prospects for British companies. Also they predict a surge in consumer spending to boost the economy as Britons unleash a spending spree. They have increased their savings by £115 bn over the last 8 months. No matter what the remoaners say, you can feel the optimism. |
I hope that you are right, but I am not sure that all those who have lost and will be losing their jobs down to the pandemic will be unleashing their spending power. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:20 - Dec 29 with 687 views | kernow |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:17 - Dec 29 by Bridders2 |
Banks are the only part of the index that has fallen everything else is positive. |
An important part I suggest. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 15:06 - Dec 29 with 659 views | Bridders2 |
| UK and EU deal done on 14:19 - Dec 29 by Sadoldgit |
I hope that you are right, but I am not sure that all those who have lost and will be losing their jobs down to the pandemic will be unleashing their spending power. |
You've got to feel sorry for anyone who has lost their job, but they are very small percentage of the whole workforce. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 17:00 - Dec 29 with 621 views | grumpy |
| UK and EU deal done on 13:59 - Dec 29 by Berber |
So let's get some misrepresentative nonsense out of the way.
Britain will NOT be worse off outside of the EU compared to now. Jobs (in any significant volume) are unlikely to be lost as a result of Brexit. The economic forecasts (and they are just that, projections) are all positive from where we are at currently. The forecasters just say that the economy would be better if we remain in the EU. None of the projections could be proved until events unfold, and most economic forecasts prove to be notably pessimistic anyway.
The wealth per capita figures don't mean anything in relation to the big boys world. Out of the top 10, 8 are major beneficiaries of EU charity donations, ie big time net receivers. The two that are not are Norway (who are not a member) but pay mightily to play in the game out of their immense sovereign wealth fund created by oil and gas revenues. Their population is tiny compared to the wealth generating nations. Switzerland similar, tiny population getting the benefit of stolen WW2 assets and unscrupulous capitalists hiding their money from the tax man (despite the so called open transparency proclaimed by the Swiss government). Luxembourg to a lesser extent.
Britain was and always would be a hefty net contributor. The EU has always used is muscle on the smaller net receiver nations to get their own way. Sure they let them whinge and moan, but when it comes down to it, the threat of withdrawn benefits so as to even up soon gets them in line. Look at Ireland, where, aside of historical differences with us, have been milking the EU since they joined, whilst offering ludicrously low tax deals to multinationals operating in Europe to get the majority of their profits booked in the Republic. "We always pay the taxes due in the countries where we operate." Hoho. Meantime, Ireland is reeling in taxes (and net wealth per capita) that could and should be going to many of the net contributor countries (including us), increasing their net wealth per capita. Luxembourg similarly. |
Lets have a look at your ' misrepresentative nonsense'
Britain WILL be worse off outside the EU as are result of Brexit.
Jobs (in any significant volume) are likely to be lost as a result of Brexit.
The economic forecasts are not all positive.
The EU does not use its muscle on the smaller net receiver nations to get their own way.
The EU is not perfect, they would admit that, but there is more right with it than wrong. | | | |
| UK and EU deal done on 17:08 - Dec 29 with 613 views | Sadoldgit |
| UK and EU deal done on 15:06 - Dec 29 by Bridders2 |
You've got to feel sorry for anyone who has lost their job, but they are very small percentage of the whole workforce. |
I am not an economist but it could be enough to make a big difference to the economy. We shall also have to pay back the billions borrowed to help us out on the pandemic which can only mean higher taxes. We could well be heading for another recession. Either way, I really can’t see anyone rushing out to spend anything that they have managed to squirrel away so far this year on non essential items. | | | |
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