| RH grateful for fans support 18:43 - Feb 4 with 4029 views | Berber |
Said he was more emotional than after any win with the support given after the latest 9-0. I've always thought the "We March On" slogan was rubbish. In my head it always makes me think of the cr@p time under Mark Hughes. However, in our present circumstances, it has suddenly become meaningful. |  |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 13:07 - Feb 5 with 951 views | Ingskneeslide |
| RH grateful for fans support on 12:57 - Feb 5 by I_would |
You're 'sense of humour' is verging on the side-splitting Del. You really are a card 'pal'. |
It wasn’t meant to be a joke Boggsy. When are you playing Sandown? Tough away fixture to be fair but you’ve got some good semi-pros on your books now so a draw shouldn’t be out of the question. |  | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 13:12 - Feb 5 with 945 views | franniesTache |
For all those people that seem to think that the 9-0 wasn't Ralph's fault then who's was it?
Because at 5-0 down you've already lost the game so put every player defence and just see the game out.
Also Ralph is moaning about the squad but how many players are on loan because he's decided they don't fit.
Yes Hoedt, Lemina elyounoussi etc. are sh*t compared to what we have in the first team, but you can't tell me they aren't better than most of the bench.
Ralph is responsible for both 9-0's and personally i don't think that's good enough. |  | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 13:27 - Feb 5 with 925 views | I_would |
| RH grateful for fans support on 13:07 - Feb 5 by Ingskneeslide |
It wasn’t meant to be a joke Boggsy. When are you playing Sandown? Tough away fixture to be fair but you’ve got some good semi-pros on your books now so a draw shouldn’t be out of the question. |
That's a relief Les cos it wasn't | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 14:22 - Feb 5 with 910 views | DorsetIan |
| RH grateful for fans support on 13:12 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
For all those people that seem to think that the 9-0 wasn't Ralph's fault then who's was it?
Because at 5-0 down you've already lost the game so put every player defence and just see the game out.
Also Ralph is moaning about the squad but how many players are on loan because he's decided they don't fit.
Yes Hoedt, Lemina elyounoussi etc. are sh*t compared to what we have in the first team, but you can't tell me they aren't better than most of the bench.
Ralph is responsible for both 9-0's and personally i don't think that's good enough. |
I think we did have pretty much every player in defence - in the first half Adams was further forward but even he dropped back in the second.
I'd say that we couldn't have defended any deeper, that most of the goals were down to individual faults, but that yes I agree that the fundamental reason for the hammering is the absolutely diabolical squad depth we now have. Not only in terms of the starting line up but also not being able to swap out one of the strikers for another defender or defensive midfielder.
But I lay the weakness of the squad at Gao's door, not Ralph's. We've let too many go without replacing then and that's because we are completely skint under this owner. Nick has been telling us only today that we had to let Valery and Vokins go in the last window, so that we could shave 6% of the monthly losses. I go back to the Danso signing - we got him, he turned out not to be up to it, but we had to wait until gone the deadline in that window, just to get him on loan. And only after other sales had gone through. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 14:42 - Feb 5 with 898 views | Sadoldgit |
| RH grateful for fans support on 13:12 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
For all those people that seem to think that the 9-0 wasn't Ralph's fault then who's was it?
Because at 5-0 down you've already lost the game so put every player defence and just see the game out.
Also Ralph is moaning about the squad but how many players are on loan because he's decided they don't fit.
Yes Hoedt, Lemina elyounoussi etc. are sh*t compared to what we have in the first team, but you can't tell me they aren't better than most of the bench.
Ralph is responsible for both 9-0's and personally i don't think that's good enough. |
But we did play deep. We lost heart quite clearly which I don’t blame anyone for. It happens. We did it to Sunderland. Once the penalty was given and Jan sent off you could see that everybody just wanted the game to finish. There is no point in going over it time and again. The sooner we put that debacle behind us and put a decent performance together the better. Think back to the Brentford game earlier in the season. We were dreadful in that game but went on to a very impressive run. That was with the manager, the coaching staff, the board, the owner, the squad we have now. |  | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 16:49 - Feb 5 with 854 views | Berber |
| RH grateful for fans support on 13:12 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
For all those people that seem to think that the 9-0 wasn't Ralph's fault then who's was it?
Because at 5-0 down you've already lost the game so put every player defence and just see the game out.
Also Ralph is moaning about the squad but how many players are on loan because he's decided they don't fit.
Yes Hoedt, Lemina elyounoussi etc. are sh*t compared to what we have in the first team, but you can't tell me they aren't better than most of the bench.
Ralph is responsible for both 9-0's and personally i don't think that's good enough. |
I see your point, You would expect any team in the PL to be able to shut up shop. RH has said several times that this team are not able to do that very well, even to see out games.
The problem is that he has set them up to get the best out of them as an attacking side, high pressing, fast transitions, instant press when losing the ball. The side is not good enough to play a predominantly defensive game, haven't been for years. Nor are they good enough to maintain possession to wind the time down, they are all about creating the openings to strike on goal.
Lemina, Boufal, Hoedt et al were not good enough under Hughes, nor would they be under RH. If they wouldn't fit into the way he wants to play, what is the point of keeping them? Loaning out Valery and Vokins is the only way he can find out if they are going to really open up and deliver, because clearly he doesn't see it in training or when they are given the opportunity in the PL. He can't wait until the end of the season to try them out in the meantime as he has better players every time given the choice. If he needs changes, they will have to happen next summer, so he needs to be sure before then.
Doing things on a shoestring and still win games and maybe get into the top half involves taking risks, which he says he is prepared to take.
I don't have a problem with that, I'd rather endure the agony of these odd debacles than the boredom and pre-destined failures that occurred under Hughes for example. Could things be made better with big spending? Of course, but whilst the owner may not be able to or prefers not to go heavily into big time investment, RH clearly sees a way to develop and accomplish what he wants to do here. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 17:25 - Feb 5 with 830 views | franniesTache |
I just can't believe how many people will make excuses for Ralph, he's lost 9-0 TWICE.
Once is just about forgivable but twice!? It makes us a laughing stock.
Seriously Ralph deserves grief for it, he's in charge, he makes the decisions, why are we so happy to settle for being sh*t?
Yeah we need signings, but we didn't get them and we knew we had an injury crisis. So recall your loans - we can do that - and make them play.
It just doesn't sit right to me that our fans are happy to sit back and accept this again | | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:32 - Feb 5 with 824 views | Berber |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:25 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
I just can't believe how many people will make excuses for Ralph, he's lost 9-0 TWICE.
Once is just about forgivable but twice!? It makes us a laughing stock.
Seriously Ralph deserves grief for it, he's in charge, he makes the decisions, why are we so happy to settle for being sh*t?
Yeah we need signings, but we didn't get them and we knew we had an injury crisis. So recall your loans - we can do that - and make them play.
It just doesn't sit right to me that our fans are happy to sit back and accept this again |
IMHO were were seriously sh1t just the once this season, and only a couple of times last season. If this is as bad as the season gets, then that is a major improvement over previously. I'm happy to see how the rest of the season goes before I will make an opinion on whether RH has advanced us or not. I guess that the team being humiliated means less to me than others. The fans are only humiliated in their heads and in the eyes of wannabe competitor fans whose views I don't care a t0ss about anyway. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 17:36 - Feb 5 with 823 views | franniesTache |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:32 - Feb 5 by Berber |
IMHO were were seriously sh1t just the once this season, and only a couple of times last season. If this is as bad as the season gets, then that is a major improvement over previously. I'm happy to see how the rest of the season goes before I will make an opinion on whether RH has advanced us or not. I guess that the team being humiliated means less to me than others. The fans are only humiliated in their heads and in the eyes of wannabe competitor fans whose views I don't care a t0ss about anyway. |
See i give a f*ck what others see because it reflects on how people see Southampton, the city. I don't want my home to be known as the place that lost two games 9-0, that's f*cking humiliating. And i don't want Ralph to think we're all nicely nicely and will let him get away with it. | | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:50 - Feb 5 with 811 views | Sadoldgit |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:32 - Feb 5 by Berber |
IMHO were were seriously sh1t just the once this season, and only a couple of times last season. If this is as bad as the season gets, then that is a major improvement over previously. I'm happy to see how the rest of the season goes before I will make an opinion on whether RH has advanced us or not. I guess that the team being humiliated means less to me than others. The fans are only humiliated in their heads and in the eyes of wannabe competitor fans whose views I don't care a t0ss about anyway. |
The first team I played for after school was put in the wrong division (top) because we had our own ground. We used to get beaten 14-0 most weeks so 9-0 is nothing. If you think that people haven’t got more to worry about in their lives than a football team losing 9-0 then priorities really need sorting. Most people outside Southampton would have probably forgotten about it now. What is important now is not that match, it is how we respond to it against Newcastle. | | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:55 - Feb 5 with 805 views | franniesTache |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:50 - Feb 5 by Sadoldgit |
The first team I played for after school was put in the wrong division (top) because we had our own ground. We used to get beaten 14-0 most weeks so 9-0 is nothing. If you think that people haven’t got more to worry about in their lives than a football team losing 9-0 then priorities really need sorting. Most people outside Southampton would have probably forgotten about it now. What is important now is not that match, it is how we respond to it against Newcastle. |
Most people outside Southampton haven't forgotten, i've been getting abuse all week. | | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:59 - Feb 5 with 797 views | I_would |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:36 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
See i give a f*ck what others see because it reflects on how people see Southampton, the city. I don't want my home to be known as the place that lost two games 9-0, that's f*cking humiliating. And i don't want Ralph to think we're all nicely nicely and will let him get away with it. |
We have so many 'fans' that act like sheep that the management and the manager get away with murder. We just loaned out 3 players when we had 9 injuries and then lost 9-0 for the 2nd time. Get some passion 'fans' and maybe transfer some urgency to Ralph and his runners. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 18:03 - Feb 5 with 796 views | franniesTache |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:59 - Feb 5 by I_would |
We have so many 'fans' that act like sheep that the management and the manager get away with murder. We just loaned out 3 players when we had 9 injuries and then lost 9-0 for the 2nd time. Get some passion 'fans' and maybe transfer some urgency to Ralph and his runners. |
It's a f*cking cult, used to be the case that no one is bigger than the club, now you have fan boys going on about Ralph as if he was Ted Bates and Lawrie Mac rolled into one.
At the end of the day he's an alright manager but so far he's won nothing, kept us up and lost 9-0 twice.
The only genuinely good thing he's done is hammered the Skates at their sh*thole. | | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 18:21 - Feb 5 with 786 views | TripleNiemi |
| RH grateful for fans support on 17:36 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
See i give a f*ck what others see because it reflects on how people see Southampton, the city. I don't want my home to be known as the place that lost two games 9-0, that's f*cking humiliating. And i don't want Ralph to think we're all nicely nicely and will let him get away with it. |
FT i totally get your stance and that is bang on your right (had it come from one of the bedwetters i probably would simply have not responded).
Serious question, what would you do? Seek a mutual agreement or get rid of Ralph outright? My scepticism comes from the fact we have employed some real duds in recent times and i don't think there is anyone out there (under the strict restrictions he is under) that could do any better. We have an owner that somehow managed to muster up some form of funding to buy the club (and hoodwink the PL / authorities at the same time) yet cannot invest any 'additional capital' as either he is skint, or cannot access funds from China - GREAT; either way i cannot see Saints hitting the sought after 'next level' with this guy at the helm and fear that if Ralph moves on, is sacked or whatever, that we could end up in a far worse position next season (if not this). |  |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 18:23 - Feb 5 with 778 views | JaySaint |
| RH grateful for fans support on 18:03 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
It's a f*cking cult, used to be the case that no one is bigger than the club, now you have fan boys going on about Ralph as if he was Ted Bates and Lawrie Mac rolled into one.
At the end of the day he's an alright manager but so far he's won nothing, kept us up and lost 9-0 twice.
The only genuinely good thing he's done is hammered the Skates at their sh*thole. |
it is probably the fear of who comes in after Ralph.
He is no god but clearly a good manager in the main (with obvious faults)
I have absolutely zero faith in the club to get anyone remotely comparable.
Look at the state of our continued transfer policy ffs [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 19:30]
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| RH grateful for fans support on 19:26 - Feb 5 with 744 views | Bicester_North |
| RH grateful for fans support on 18:23 - Feb 5 by JaySaint |
it is probably the fear of who comes in after Ralph.
He is no god but clearly a good manager in the main (with obvious faults)
I have absolutely zero faith in the club to get anyone remotely comparable.
Look at the state of our continued transfer policy ffs [Post edited 5 Feb 2021 19:30]
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This is right, the state of the club and the Pellegrino/Hughes years means that everyone sees Ralph as the saviour.
I’d count myself as being in that bracket until Tuesday night, now it doesn’t feel the same.
The mentality is still that the ownership is so crap that we’re destined for at least one relegation if he leaves. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 20:41 - Feb 5 with 715 views | Ingskneeslide |
| RH grateful for fans support on 18:03 - Feb 5 by franniesTache |
It's a f*cking cult, used to be the case that no one is bigger than the club, now you have fan boys going on about Ralph as if he was Ted Bates and Lawrie Mac rolled into one.
At the end of the day he's an alright manager but so far he's won nothing, kept us up and lost 9-0 twice.
The only genuinely good thing he's done is hammered the Skates at their sh*thole. |
I get your anger FT but don’t lose your head and start agreeing with that Skate creep i_would ffs.
The way I see it is we’ve gone from being a club that could lose nine games 1-0 with ease and playing some of the bleakest football ever to a club that can lose a few games by embarrassing scorelines but otherwise plays good football and when everything clicks has an outside chance of winning something. With the ownership we’ve got and operating in the cartel that is the premier league that somehow has to be considered progress. No manager deserves a free pass but considering the fact we’re a better team with worse players on the pitch than under Hughes or Pellegrino I think RH deserves a bit longer. | | | |
| RH grateful for fans support on 21:02 - Feb 5 with 701 views | Butty101 |
| RH grateful for fans support on 20:41 - Feb 5 by Ingskneeslide |
I get your anger FT but don’t lose your head and start agreeing with that Skate creep i_would ffs.
The way I see it is we’ve gone from being a club that could lose nine games 1-0 with ease and playing some of the bleakest football ever to a club that can lose a few games by embarrassing scorelines but otherwise plays good football and when everything clicks has an outside chance of winning something. With the ownership we’ve got and operating in the cartel that is the premier league that somehow has to be considered progress. No manager deserves a free pass but considering the fact we’re a better team with worse players on the pitch than under Hughes or Pellegrino I think RH deserves a bit longer. |
Im with FT. Ralph has to take the hit for that capitulation. Its not even the first time this season. Think spurs at home 2nd half and villa away. Since RH has been here we have lost 40 odd points from winning positions. Stylistically we are 6 points worse off than last season and can only score from set plays.
That said at the moment i want us to stick with him but hes no god. |  |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 21:36 - Feb 5 with 678 views | Berber |
| RH grateful for fans support on 21:02 - Feb 5 by Butty101 |
Im with FT. Ralph has to take the hit for that capitulation. Its not even the first time this season. Think spurs at home 2nd half and villa away. Since RH has been here we have lost 40 odd points from winning positions. Stylistically we are 6 points worse off than last season and can only score from set plays.
That said at the moment i want us to stick with him but hes no god. |
So what exactly is the "Hit" that RH should take? The sack? Abuse from folk who claim to be loyal fans? Spouting off is understandable, and this, as well as other fans forums provide the mechanism to express those views, and nobody is saying don't do it. Are you expecting a fans revolt? What do you do, boo the team and the manager? Just wondering what the vague "Take the hit" means.
We are playing a club at the weekend whose fans claim to be the most passionate, loyal, proud and "best" in the country. Actually, their perpetual moaning, protests against the owner, the manager and continual grumbling about the team not being worthy of them makes them pretty much a laughing stock outside of the provincial town they live in. But they expect to be taken seriously.
How about expressing passionate but balanced views but stick with the team and manager through thick and thin? Isn't that what true, long term fans of the club do? | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 21:57 - Feb 5 with 666 views | MytchettSaint |
| RH grateful for fans support on 21:36 - Feb 5 by Berber |
So what exactly is the "Hit" that RH should take? The sack? Abuse from folk who claim to be loyal fans? Spouting off is understandable, and this, as well as other fans forums provide the mechanism to express those views, and nobody is saying don't do it. Are you expecting a fans revolt? What do you do, boo the team and the manager? Just wondering what the vague "Take the hit" means.
We are playing a club at the weekend whose fans claim to be the most passionate, loyal, proud and "best" in the country. Actually, their perpetual moaning, protests against the owner, the manager and continual grumbling about the team not being worthy of them makes them pretty much a laughing stock outside of the provincial town they live in. But they expect to be taken seriously.
How about expressing passionate but balanced views but stick with the team and manager through thick and thin? Isn't that what true, long term fans of the club do? |
Where has anyone abused Ralph on this thread? |  |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 22:16 - Feb 5 with 649 views | Saintsforeverj |
| RH grateful for fans support on 21:36 - Feb 5 by Berber |
So what exactly is the "Hit" that RH should take? The sack? Abuse from folk who claim to be loyal fans? Spouting off is understandable, and this, as well as other fans forums provide the mechanism to express those views, and nobody is saying don't do it. Are you expecting a fans revolt? What do you do, boo the team and the manager? Just wondering what the vague "Take the hit" means.
We are playing a club at the weekend whose fans claim to be the most passionate, loyal, proud and "best" in the country. Actually, their perpetual moaning, protests against the owner, the manager and continual grumbling about the team not being worthy of them makes them pretty much a laughing stock outside of the provincial town they live in. But they expect to be taken seriously.
How about expressing passionate but balanced views but stick with the team and manager through thick and thin? Isn't that what true, long term fans of the club do? |
I am in the "Ralph in" camp because his hands are tied by the restrictions at the club and I like his character. I don't think we would get a better manager over the whole season. But I disagree that to be a fan, means support of the manager and team, come what may, through thick and thin.
If the manager is wrong for the club (remember the Branfoot out years?), then a proper fan will want what is best for their club and sometimes that means getting rid of the manager. I don't think anyone on here is strongly demanding Ralph is sacked, just pointing out that two 9 nil defeats under Ralph is unacceptable to them and they are hurt and upset. All natural reactions of a true fan who really cares. But finish the season strongly, win tomorrow, win the Cup and they will probably forgive him! [Post edited 6 Feb 2021 0:25]
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| RH grateful for fans support on 06:14 - Feb 6 with 590 views | Berber |
| RH grateful for fans support on 21:57 - Feb 5 by MytchettSaint |
Where has anyone abused Ralph on this thread? |
Nowhere, nor did I say they had. I am trying to find out what a "hit" means. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 06:29 - Feb 6 with 585 views | Berber |
| RH grateful for fans support on 22:16 - Feb 5 by Saintsforeverj |
I am in the "Ralph in" camp because his hands are tied by the restrictions at the club and I like his character. I don't think we would get a better manager over the whole season. But I disagree that to be a fan, means support of the manager and team, come what may, through thick and thin.
If the manager is wrong for the club (remember the Branfoot out years?), then a proper fan will want what is best for their club and sometimes that means getting rid of the manager. I don't think anyone on here is strongly demanding Ralph is sacked, just pointing out that two 9 nil defeats under Ralph is unacceptable to them and they are hurt and upset. All natural reactions of a true fan who really cares. But finish the season strongly, win tomorrow, win the Cup and they will probably forgive him! [Post edited 6 Feb 2021 0:25]
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The Branfoot agony is a good example, once in several decades. Before Christmas, hardly anyone had a beef with the manager or the approach, though we all know that there is plenty of opportunity for improvements in the squad. In this case, after two albeit excruciatingly bad performances and results a year apart, some fans seemingly want to punish the manager. I understand the frustration, we all feel it but most fans get over it after a day or so. I am just wondering what those who are still dissatisfied think they can do to the manager or team as a "punishment" that will take the club forward. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 09:26 - Feb 6 with 558 views | MytchettSaint |
| RH grateful for fans support on 06:14 - Feb 6 by Berber |
Nowhere, nor did I say they had. I am trying to find out what a "hit" means. |
You said in the second or third line in your post “the abuse from some folk who claim to be loyal supporters”?
I see people saying he needs to take his share of the blame. I lay the blame solely at the players feet personally. As someone else has succinctly put it elsewhere. They threw the towel in - again. | |
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| RH grateful for fans support on 18:32 - Feb 6 with 483 views | franniesTache |
| RH grateful for fans support on 18:21 - Feb 5 by TripleNiemi |
FT i totally get your stance and that is bang on your right (had it come from one of the bedwetters i probably would simply have not responded).
Serious question, what would you do? Seek a mutual agreement or get rid of Ralph outright? My scepticism comes from the fact we have employed some real duds in recent times and i don't think there is anyone out there (under the strict restrictions he is under) that could do any better. We have an owner that somehow managed to muster up some form of funding to buy the club (and hoodwink the PL / authorities at the same time) yet cannot invest any 'additional capital' as either he is skint, or cannot access funds from China - GREAT; either way i cannot see Saints hitting the sought after 'next level' with this guy at the helm and fear that if Ralph moves on, is sacked or whatever, that we could end up in a far worse position next season (if not this). |
What i'd do right now is give Ralph the cup, but i'm coming to the opinion he's part of the problem. We're incredibly one dimensional right now and you know exactly what you're going to get every time you play us so it's easy for the opposition.
The best description i can think of of Ralph right now is Chris Nicholl with better PR.
He's not a terrible manager, he's also nowhere near as good as people seem to think.
As for replacing him - which many people seem worried about - i'm not really sure it's as much of an issue as people worry. I mean so far we've finished 11th and 16th under him, we'll most like finish this season between 10th and 15th, is it really that hard to replace him with someone who'd achieve that too? | | | |
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