| Relegation squads compared 01:07 - Apr 19 with 4552 views | Shun |
I thought I’d do a bit of a comparison between this squad and the one from last time we were relegated.
So the bulk of our squad this season has been:
Bazunu, Lynch
McLaughlin, Keohane, EOC, Osho, McShane, Roberts, Bola, Done
Morley, Lund, Rathbone, Dooley, Newby, Grant, O’Shaugnessy
Humphrys, Beesley, Baah
Bit-part players: McNulty, Tavares, Ryan, Vale and Brierley
11/12 season:
Kean, Lucas, Kurucz
Darby, Trotman, Balkestein, Holness, Holden, Amankwaah, Long, Jordan, Widdowson
Kennedy, BBM, Tutte, Jones, Adams, Thompson
Grimes, Symes, Akpa-Akpro, Ball
Bit-part players: Bunn, Twaddle, Barnes-Homer, Bogdanovic, Obadeyi, Hackney, M.Edwards, Eccleston, Benali, Bergkamp, McConville, Gray, Ormerod, P.Edwards
The immediately evident difference is the squad size. The latter was bloated with journeymen, City youths or Coleman mates who arrived, did not an awful lot for two or three games, and then disappeared.
Looking at the players though there’s only really Jones, Adams, Long and Kurucz who I’d take from the 11/12 squad and think would make an improvement to the current team. Furthermore, the 11/12 team had quite a few players, namely, Trotman; Balkestein; Barnes-Homer; Bergkamp, who I’d consider for genuine ‘worst ever Dale player’ in their respective positions. There’s no one in the current squad we can even contemplate that about.
Ultimately, this squad is absolutely streets ahead of that one on quality, but the fact that we’re not doing much better than it is all the more frustrating. |  | | |  |
| Relegation squads compared on 07:48 - Apr 19 with 4415 views | DaleiLama |
Interesting reading that Shun. You would certainly have expected a talented young manager to have made better use of a squad not lacking in talent. It's not a play off squad and it's also not a relegation battle squad. |  |
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| Relegation squads compared on 08:00 - Apr 19 with 4405 views | VivaDonaldo |
If you take that same list and take out anyone missing with injury for significant periods you end up with (I think):
Lynch
Keohane, Osho, Roberts, Bola, Done
Morley, Newby, Grant, O’Shaugnessy
Bit-part players: McNulty, Tavares and Brierley
Easy to see one reason why its been difficult to achieve consistency. |  | | |
| Relegation squads compared on 17:13 - Apr 19 with 4119 views | AtThePeake |
| Relegation squads compared on 08:00 - Apr 19 by VivaDonaldo |
If you take that same list and take out anyone missing with injury for significant periods you end up with (I think):
Lynch
Keohane, Osho, Roberts, Bola, Done
Morley, Newby, Grant, O’Shaugnessy
Bit-part players: McNulty, Tavares and Brierley
Easy to see one reason why its been difficult to achieve consistency. |
Depends what you class as a 'significant' period. Of the players you've not included there you still have the following in the league alone:
Bazunu: 29 apps
O'Connell: 34 apps
McLaughlin: 30 apps
Dooley: 27 apps
Rathbone: 35 apps
Lund: 29 apps
Humphrys: 25 apps
Beesley: 22 apps
Baah: 27 apps
I know it's about missing several at the same time, but all of those players have been available more often than they've been unavailable this season. |  |
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| Relegation squads compared on 18:32 - Apr 19 with 4039 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Relegation squads compared on 17:13 - Apr 19 by AtThePeake |
Depends what you class as a 'significant' period. Of the players you've not included there you still have the following in the league alone:
Bazunu: 29 apps
O'Connell: 34 apps
McLaughlin: 30 apps
Dooley: 27 apps
Rathbone: 35 apps
Lund: 29 apps
Humphrys: 25 apps
Beesley: 22 apps
Baah: 27 apps
I know it's about missing several at the same time, but all of those players have been available more often than they've been unavailable this season. |
Well to the managers previous point the significance is not necessarily about how many weeks they've been out but how many games they'd missed and also when we've seen the accumulative effect of it being focused in certain areas I.e centre back and attacking at key periods of the season.
I'm not absolving the club/manager of all responsibility because a decision was obviously made at some point to roll with a smaller squad with the players that were chosen. | | | |
| Relegation squads compared on 19:29 - Apr 19 with 3932 views | D_Alien |
| Relegation squads compared on 18:32 - Apr 19 by VivaDonaldo |
Well to the managers previous point the significance is not necessarily about how many weeks they've been out but how many games they'd missed and also when we've seen the accumulative effect of it being focused in certain areas I.e centre back and attacking at key periods of the season.
I'm not absolving the club/manager of all responsibility because a decision was obviously made at some point to roll with a smaller squad with the players that were chosen. |
The two latest home victories have been achieved without our two leading scorers, Humphrys & Lund (apart from 2 minutes), Done, Ryan and Roberts
The games were won through adopting a pragmatic style of moving the ball forward more rapidly rather than the dire and unnecessary possession-based style we've been subject to for most of the season
The squad is good enough, even with key players missing. Absence through injuries is a complete red herring |  |
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| Relegation squads compared on 20:05 - Apr 19 with 3876 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Relegation squads compared on 19:29 - Apr 19 by D_Alien |
The two latest home victories have been achieved without our two leading scorers, Humphrys & Lund (apart from 2 minutes), Done, Ryan and Roberts
The games were won through adopting a pragmatic style of moving the ball forward more rapidly rather than the dire and unnecessary possession-based style we've been subject to for most of the season
The squad is good enough, even with key players missing. Absence through injuries is a complete red herring |
I think to say it's a red herring is perhaps a little harsh.
I'm not saying it's a main reason for our issues this year but a contributing factor. As is the managers insistence on rigidly sticking to a tactical ethos and formation we couldn't pull off with the available players.
This year really has been a huge combination of issues some on field some off. | | | |
| Relegation squads compared on 20:16 - Apr 19 with 3844 views | James1980 |
On a slightly positive note this seasons squad has already outperformed the 2011/12 one. 39 points from 41 games as opposed to 38 from 46 games. | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 20:29 - Apr 19 with 3812 views | TVOS1907 |
| Relegation squads compared on 20:16 - Apr 19 by James1980 |
On a slightly positive note this seasons squad has already outperformed the 2011/12 one. 39 points from 41 games as opposed to 38 from 46 games. |
Get the bunting out. |  |
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| Relegation squads compared on 20:30 - Apr 19 with 3811 views | D_Alien |
| Relegation squads compared on 20:05 - Apr 19 by VivaDonaldo |
I think to say it's a red herring is perhaps a little harsh.
I'm not saying it's a main reason for our issues this year but a contributing factor. As is the managers insistence on rigidly sticking to a tactical ethos and formation we couldn't pull off with the available players.
This year really has been a huge combination of issues some on field some off. |
Naturally, failure on the pitch is down to more than one factor, although i wouldn't say it's a huge combination of reasons we need to look at. Most have been well aired throughout this season
It was the final paragraph in your previous post that suggested you were seeking to use the squad as a primary reason for failure, rather than the poor deployment of players during games | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 09:58 - Apr 21 with 3467 views | boromat |
| Relegation squads compared on 20:16 - Apr 19 by James1980 |
On a slightly positive note this seasons squad has already outperformed the 2011/12 one. 39 points from 41 games as opposed to 38 from 46 games. |
On a slightly more negative note 9 points still required from 4 games to match the recent great escape season and this year I'm not sure that'll be enough. | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 10:10 - Apr 21 with 3442 views | James1980 |
| Relegation squads compared on 09:58 - Apr 21 by boromat |
On a slightly more negative note 9 points still required from 4 games to match the recent great escape season and this year I'm not sure that'll be enough. |
As I put on the Blackpool match thread. Winning our remaining games doesn't guarantee safety. | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 11:40 - Apr 21 with 3378 views | D_Alien |
| Relegation squads compared on 10:10 - Apr 21 by James1980 |
As I put on the Blackpool match thread. Winning our remaining games doesn't guarantee safety. |
Most of us can do basic maths, James | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 18:12 - Apr 21 with 3172 views | James1980 |
| Relegation squads compared on 11:40 - Apr 21 by D_Alien |
Most of us can do basic maths, James |
What made you feel the need to put that comment? | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 18:35 - Apr 21 with 3146 views | D_Alien |
| Relegation squads compared on 18:12 - Apr 21 by James1980 |
What made you feel the need to put that comment? |
Do you disagree with it? | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 21:33 - Apr 21 with 3040 views | TVOS1907 |
| Relegation squads compared on 11:40 - Apr 21 by D_Alien |
Most of us can do basic maths, James |
Or in some cases, complicated Maths. | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 22:00 - Apr 21 with 3013 views | James1980 |
| Relegation squads compared on 18:35 - Apr 21 by D_Alien |
Do you disagree with it? |
I am sure your maths skills are superb. I felt your response to my post was somewhat sardonic. Anyway I put about our potential points tally possibly not being enough to keep us safe because we could end up with one of the highest points tallys for a relegated team. | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 22:21 - Apr 21 with 2985 views | D_Alien |
| Relegation squads compared on 22:00 - Apr 21 by James1980 |
I am sure your maths skills are superb. I felt your response to my post was somewhat sardonic. Anyway I put about our potential points tally possibly not being enough to keep us safe because we could end up with one of the highest points tallys for a relegated team. |
Talking of points, you've completely missed it again | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 22:56 - Apr 21 with 2951 views | James1980 |
| Relegation squads compared on 22:21 - Apr 21 by D_Alien |
Talking of points, you've completely missed it again |
Please tell me the point of your comment that I have missed, other than a snidey dig. Unless it is just we don't need to be reminded of the position in which we find ourselves, but that makes up quite a lot of the content of the forum at present. | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 00:11 - Apr 22 with 2904 views | D_Alien |
| Relegation squads compared on 22:56 - Apr 21 by James1980 |
Please tell me the point of your comment that I have missed, other than a snidey dig. Unless it is just we don't need to be reminded of the position in which we find ourselves, but that makes up quite a lot of the content of the forum at present. |
Yes, we know
You posted it on the Blackpool match thread | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 05:33 - Apr 22 with 2858 views | James1980 |
| Relegation squads compared on 00:11 - Apr 22 by D_Alien |
Yes, we know
You posted it on the Blackpool match thread |
Oh you have a problem with me repeating myself is that the point? I thought my heinous post acknowledged that I was aware I'd made a similar comment elsewhere. I MUST try harder. | |
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| Relegation squads compared on 06:20 - Apr 22 with 2832 views | D_Alien |
| Relegation squads compared on 05:33 - Apr 22 by James1980 |
Oh you have a problem with me repeating myself is that the point? I thought my heinous post acknowledged that I was aware I'd made a similar comment elsewhere. I MUST try harder. |
Might i suggest you simply try less hard?
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| Relegation squads compared on 06:57 - Apr 22 with 2806 views | James1980 |
| Relegation squads compared on 06:20 - Apr 22 by D_Alien |
Might i suggest you simply try less hard?
[Post edited 22 Apr 2021 7:37]
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Now we are getting to what the point really is. | |
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