| cummings 11:03 - May 26 with 12590 views | saint22 |
Unsurprisingly ripping Bojo and his ship of fools a new one!
Hancock should have been fired for lying about 15 odd things, no plan, lockdown should have been earlier
Telling us what we all knew
But hey lets keep voting the idiots in shall we
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/liv
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| cummings on 10:04 - May 30 with 1401 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 23:43 - May 29 by Sadoldgit |
Come on Chesh, what has Corbyn got to do with this? It really doesn’t matter what he would have done or not done. This is all about the person in the driving seat and the one with the choices. That person is Johnson. |
Being disingenuous again there I fear Soggsy.
You know full well that it’s not just “Boris” who’s depicted as incompetent, but the whole Tory government.
The argument being that had we not been saddled by this crew of incompetents, Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition (who were at that time led by Jeremy) would have been in power and way, way better making no mistakes at all, achieving virtually zero deaths (a la Jacinda).
Really? |  |
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| cummings on 10:25 - May 30 with 1380 views | DorsetIan |
| cummings on 10:04 - May 30 by Chesham_Saint |
Being disingenuous again there I fear Soggsy.
You know full well that it’s not just “Boris” who’s depicted as incompetent, but the whole Tory government.
The argument being that had we not been saddled by this crew of incompetents, Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition (who were at that time led by Jeremy) would have been in power and way, way better making no mistakes at all, achieving virtually zero deaths (a la Jacinda).
Really? |
I believe Priti Patel is a complete cretin. Many of the others are weird. Nothing to do with this.
This is about Boris and Hancock, against whom specific charges have been laid.
Even more specifically, that Johnson made a monumental blunder in delaying the second lockdown, due to his chancer personality and that he has lived his life by taking risks and largely getting away with them.
And that Hancock allowed (and lied about) the move of untested people from hospital to care homes, to free up beds, because a Tory govt could never be seen to have a failing NHS. | |
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| cummings on 10:31 - May 30 with 1377 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 10:25 - May 30 by DorsetIan |
I believe Priti Patel is a complete cretin. Many of the others are weird. Nothing to do with this.
This is about Boris and Hancock, against whom specific charges have been laid.
Even more specifically, that Johnson made a monumental blunder in delaying the second lockdown, due to his chancer personality and that he has lived his life by taking risks and largely getting away with them.
And that Hancock allowed (and lied about) the move of untested people from hospital to care homes, to free up beds, because a Tory govt could never be seen to have a failing NHS. |
Well, we’re all entitled to our own beliefs, mine being that any government anywhere (in a democracy) would have got some things right and some things wrong. Labour, Tory or a coalition.
The thing is, if one wants to criticise a government for things it got wrong, one should also give credit where they got things right, should they not? | |
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| cummings on 11:05 - May 30 with 1350 views | DorsetIan |
| cummings on 10:31 - May 30 by Chesham_Saint |
Well, we’re all entitled to our own beliefs, mine being that any government anywhere (in a democracy) would have got some things right and some things wrong. Labour, Tory or a coalition.
The thing is, if one wants to criticise a government for things it got wrong, one should also give credit where they got things right, should they not? |
They get plenty of credit for the vaccine rollout. Rightly so.
I’d turn it on it’s head. If they are going to claim credit for the good things, they need to take blame where it is due too.
Instead a general ‚rough with the smooth‘ approach, allows them to dodge responsibility for serious failings.
Usually, professional people who make egregious blunders don’t get to point to all the good things they did to avoid any punishment.
If Johnson’s mistakes caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths let’s understand that and then everyone can take a view about whether that is serious enough to stop them voting for him. | |
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| cummings on 11:39 - May 30 with 1325 views | saint22 |
| cummings on 11:05 - May 30 by DorsetIan |
They get plenty of credit for the vaccine rollout. Rightly so.
I’d turn it on it’s head. If they are going to claim credit for the good things, they need to take blame where it is due too.
Instead a general ‚rough with the smooth‘ approach, allows them to dodge responsibility for serious failings.
Usually, professional people who make egregious blunders don’t get to point to all the good things they did to avoid any punishment.
If Johnson’s mistakes caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths let’s understand that and then everyone can take a view about whether that is serious enough to stop them voting for him. |
This
The vaccine they eventually got right but one right doesn't appease several wrongs.
Pat yourself on the back and take accountability for all the rest of the errors
This is about Johnson inability to lead and Hnacocks inability to do anything right | | | |
| cummings on 11:51 - May 30 with 1314 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 10:04 - May 30 by Chesham_Saint |
Being disingenuous again there I fear Soggsy.
You know full well that it’s not just “Boris” who’s depicted as incompetent, but the whole Tory government.
The argument being that had we not been saddled by this crew of incompetents, Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition (who were at that time led by Jeremy) would have been in power and way, way better making no mistakes at all, achieving virtually zero deaths (a la Jacinda).
Really? |
Yes, the cabinet is full of incompetents. Who put them there? Johnson. Who kept some of them in their jobs when they were clearly out of their depth? Johnson.
As for Corbyn, of course he and his cabinet would have made mistakes. Whether they would have been as serious as the ones made by Johnson’s government we shall never know. What we do know is that Labour and left of centre governments prioritise people and their well being over making piles of money and it doesn’t take much of a leap of faith to believe that unpopular moves in the business world would have been taken much sooner. I also don’t think we would have seen so much cronyism and jobs for the boys, all of which contributed to our dreadful death toll. But as I said before, it really doesn’t matter what may not have happened in a completely different government set up. We have the government we voted for and have to live with their decisions for the time being. It is right and proper that their decisions are scrutinised in the circumstances in which they happened and the findings published and dealt with accordingly. No one gets off the hook by saying that another government would have also made mistakes. They are accountable for their own actions. |  | | |
| cummings on 12:53 - May 30 with 1299 views | JaySaint |
| cummings on 11:51 - May 30 by Sadoldgit |
Yes, the cabinet is full of incompetents. Who put them there? Johnson. Who kept some of them in their jobs when they were clearly out of their depth? Johnson.
As for Corbyn, of course he and his cabinet would have made mistakes. Whether they would have been as serious as the ones made by Johnson’s government we shall never know. What we do know is that Labour and left of centre governments prioritise people and their well being over making piles of money and it doesn’t take much of a leap of faith to believe that unpopular moves in the business world would have been taken much sooner. I also don’t think we would have seen so much cronyism and jobs for the boys, all of which contributed to our dreadful death toll. But as I said before, it really doesn’t matter what may not have happened in a completely different government set up. We have the government we voted for and have to live with their decisions for the time being. It is right and proper that their decisions are scrutinised in the circumstances in which they happened and the findings published and dealt with accordingly. No one gets off the hook by saying that another government would have also made mistakes. They are accountable for their own actions. |
Did Labour prioritise the people of the middle east, around 20 years ago? | |
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| cummings on 16:43 - May 30 with 1255 views | Chesham_Saint |
| cummings on 11:51 - May 30 by Sadoldgit |
Yes, the cabinet is full of incompetents. Who put them there? Johnson. Who kept some of them in their jobs when they were clearly out of their depth? Johnson.
As for Corbyn, of course he and his cabinet would have made mistakes. Whether they would have been as serious as the ones made by Johnson’s government we shall never know. What we do know is that Labour and left of centre governments prioritise people and their well being over making piles of money and it doesn’t take much of a leap of faith to believe that unpopular moves in the business world would have been taken much sooner. I also don’t think we would have seen so much cronyism and jobs for the boys, all of which contributed to our dreadful death toll. But as I said before, it really doesn’t matter what may not have happened in a completely different government set up. We have the government we voted for and have to live with their decisions for the time being. It is right and proper that their decisions are scrutinised in the circumstances in which they happened and the findings published and dealt with accordingly. No one gets off the hook by saying that another government would have also made mistakes. They are accountable for their own actions. |
Sorry, Sogs, I really can’t be bothered to read that densely packed discourse. Time to move on to other things. | |
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| cummings on 16:56 - May 30 with 1253 views | grumpy |
| cummings on 12:53 - May 30 by JaySaint |
Did Labour prioritise the people of the middle east, around 20 years ago? |
Which people in the middle east are you referring to? |  | | |
| cummings on 19:43 - May 30 with 1194 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 12:53 - May 30 by JaySaint |
Did Labour prioritise the people of the middle east, around 20 years ago? |
Are you comparing the two situations? We are talking about dealing with a pandemic, not going to war. Having said that I don’t believe that Corbyn would have been an American lapdog like Blair. | | | |
| cummings on 20:52 - May 30 with 1176 views | grumpy |
So what would the Tories have done differently, Jay?
Did you know that a quarter of the labour MPs voted against the invasion? [Post edited 30 May 2021 20:57]
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| cummings on 06:40 - May 31 with 1104 views | JaySaint |
| cummings on 16:56 - May 30 by grumpy |
Which people in the middle east are you referring to? |
the 100s of 1000s that were killed
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| cummings on 06:40 - May 31 with 1103 views | JaySaint |
| cummings on 19:43 - May 30 by Sadoldgit |
Are you comparing the two situations? We are talking about dealing with a pandemic, not going to war. Having said that I don’t believe that Corbyn would have been an American lapdog like Blair. |
but the centre left (which you brought up) did, and responsible for killing so many people | |
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| cummings on 07:28 - May 31 with 1082 views | City_boy |
I accept that mistakes have been made, but there is not a Government in any democratic country that hasn’t made mistakes during this pandemic. Even Germany that was being lauded in the first phase, got itself in a mess.
Sweden who adopted herd immunity and carried on as normal soon changed tack, when deaths rose significantly.
Israel did well delivering vaccines because they were being sponsored by Pfizer. Pfizer wanted all personal data in return. Fortunately, we now have strict rules on how our personal data can be used. Israel hasn't been able to maintain their speedy progress because of political in-fighting over payment for additional doses. Take up of jabs has also started slowing in the younger generation.
As for Brazil and the how the Trump’s republican party managed the early days of the pandemic, let’s not even go there.
Basically, no-one has got this 100% right (even the WHO) and there will definitely be lessons to be learned. [Post edited 31 May 2021 7:30]
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| cummings on 09:23 - May 31 with 1055 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 06:40 - May 31 by JaySaint |
but the centre left (which you brought up) did, and responsible for killing so many people |
What has that got to do with the way we run the NHS and social care in this country which is what we are talking about? There is no way a Labour Party under Corbyn would have gone to war alongside America. | | | |
| cummings on 10:53 - May 31 with 1031 views | kernow |
The ball was flying harmlessly past before he wickedly deflected it into his own goal. | | | |
| cummings on 15:21 - May 31 with 981 views | Saintsforeverj |
So June 21st freedom may be delayed.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
So talking of making the right decisions, what does Boris do here? Hospitality saying that delaying the date will have a devastating effect. Some scientists saying there will be a 3rd wave. Surely if all the vulnerable are vaccinated, why do we need to wait any longer? Is it worth devastating peoples businesses and lives, when all the vulnerable are safe? How long do we go on with this? It's warm weather, everyone is outside, everyone has their windows open, all adults soon to be vaccinated, they are all packing on the beach anyway, what's the point? Scientists wrong to panic us? [Post edited 31 May 2021 15:30]
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| cummings on 17:54 - May 31 with 941 views | kentsouthampton |
| cummings on 11:05 - May 30 by DorsetIan |
They get plenty of credit for the vaccine rollout. Rightly so.
I’d turn it on it’s head. If they are going to claim credit for the good things, they need to take blame where it is due too.
Instead a general ‚rough with the smooth‘ approach, allows them to dodge responsibility for serious failings.
Usually, professional people who make egregious blunders don’t get to point to all the good things they did to avoid any punishment.
If Johnson’s mistakes caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths let’s understand that and then everyone can take a view about whether that is serious enough to stop them voting for him. |
He thinks everything is one big extension to his life of Bullingdon japes.
Totally exonerates himself from any issues his or his cabinet creates. Feels he's immune to it all. After he survived covid, probably thinks he's immortal now as well.
Has lied to the public. Has lied to parliament. Has lied to the Queen. There's no stopping him, at the moment.
My only solace is that as every day passes it's a day closer to him leaving office. Until then I guess we have to accept it appears the country is stuck in a period of Stockholm Syndrome, aided by Labour's complete implosion and no other credible opposition waiting in the wings to take the mantle.
I thought there'd only be so much the line of 'he's got floppy hair, can speak a dead language and might be a laugh down the boozer' would carry him. Seems it's still got some way to run yet. |  | | |
| cummings on 18:26 - May 31 with 927 views | Sadoldgit |
| cummings on 15:21 - May 31 by Saintsforeverj |
So June 21st freedom may be delayed.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news
So talking of making the right decisions, what does Boris do here? Hospitality saying that delaying the date will have a devastating effect. Some scientists saying there will be a 3rd wave. Surely if all the vulnerable are vaccinated, why do we need to wait any longer? Is it worth devastating peoples businesses and lives, when all the vulnerable are safe? How long do we go on with this? It's warm weather, everyone is outside, everyone has their windows open, all adults soon to be vaccinated, they are all packing on the beach anyway, what's the point? Scientists wrong to panic us? [Post edited 31 May 2021 15:30]
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I’m just waiting to hear what Johnson has to say about it
Then I will do the opposite. | | | |
| cummings on 20:10 - May 31 with 882 views | Bazza |
While you’re busy dumping on Boris and Hancock you should bear in mind certain facts;
In a Q1 2020 Sage minutes reported that ‘COVID spread was inevitable’ and ‘Sage was unanimous that measures to suppress COVID will cause a second peak. Medical scientists advised that testing was not an appropriate mechanism.
Also last year the advisory group on emerging virus threats argued that masks were a bad idea.
We know politicians depend on expert advice. Journalists don’t have to. | | | |
| cummings on 20:16 - May 31 with 875 views | Bicester_North |
| cummings on 18:26 - May 31 by Sadoldgit |
I’m just waiting to hear what Johnson has to say about it
Then I will do the opposite. |
So you’ll go to a nightclub? Have a good time | |
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| cummings on 21:09 - May 31 with 864 views | JaySaint |
| cummings on 09:23 - May 31 by Sadoldgit |
What has that got to do with the way we run the NHS and social care in this country which is what we are talking about? There is no way a Labour Party under Corbyn would have gone to war alongside America. |
ah, so the far far left then. Wish you had said that in the first place | |
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| cummings on 21:30 - May 31 with 857 views | grumpy |
| cummings on 17:54 - May 31 by kentsouthampton |
He thinks everything is one big extension to his life of Bullingdon japes.
Totally exonerates himself from any issues his or his cabinet creates. Feels he's immune to it all. After he survived covid, probably thinks he's immortal now as well.
Has lied to the public. Has lied to parliament. Has lied to the Queen. There's no stopping him, at the moment.
My only solace is that as every day passes it's a day closer to him leaving office. Until then I guess we have to accept it appears the country is stuck in a period of Stockholm Syndrome, aided by Labour's complete implosion and no other credible opposition waiting in the wings to take the mantle.
I thought there'd only be so much the line of 'he's got floppy hair, can speak a dead language and might be a laugh down the boozer' would carry him. Seems it's still got some way to run yet. |
While the people and the economy struggle through the virus Boris decorates at great expense his property and gets married in a catholic church to his third wife. | | | |
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