| Third Covid Wave 10:36 - Jul 16 with 55426 views | Sadoldgit |
Infection and hospital rates climbing rapidly. Death rates projected at 200 per day. Nearly 4m people at serious risk. New information coming out about the problems Covid cause the body if it doesn’t kill you. People laid up for the best part of a year with serious complications. Concern over the AstraZenica vaccine. Is it really wise to lift most of the restrictions on Monday? We have been told that we aren’t going back into another lockdown situation no matter what, but Whitty seems to think it might have to be on the cards. [Post edited 18 Jul 2021 9:29]
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| Third Covid Wave on 21:03 - Oct 19 with 1086 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 20:56 - Oct 19 by Sadoldgit |
It’s not a flu outbreak. It can have a far more devastating effect on the body’s organs than flu. Your strange infatuation with conspiracy theories is becoming tiresome. Yes, we are grown men, and grown men don’t spend their time spreading debunked conspiracies on the internet. |
So this winter seasons flu outbreak could kill up to 60000 ..as advised by our very own NHS in the past 3 weeks...so what exactly is your point..as that is oddly enough the same amount of excess deaths last year from this world crippling pandemic you just pertained to..balance and reference..show me some...not just blind acceptance..thats all you've got..no figures to contradict..just manipulation and false representation..prove that wrong and we re-engage Sogs. |  |
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| Third Covid Wave on 21:36 - Oct 19 with 1041 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 20:57 - Oct 19 by saint68 |
Come on then brainiac..let's see these excessively high death rates plastered all over every news channel courtesy of the NHS over the past 20 months .they don't correlate...just show me what they claimed and the reality.....you won't be able to Ian..they don't marry up ...just accept it hey bud..thats where you feel safest isn't it hun X [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 21:04]
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| Third Covid Wave on 21:45 - Oct 19 with 1043 views | Sadoldgit |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:03 - Oct 19 by saint68 |
So this winter seasons flu outbreak could kill up to 60000 ..as advised by our very own NHS in the past 3 weeks...so what exactly is your point..as that is oddly enough the same amount of excess deaths last year from this world crippling pandemic you just pertained to..balance and reference..show me some...not just blind acceptance..thats all you've got..no figures to contradict..just manipulation and false representation..prove that wrong and we re-engage Sogs. |
My point is that the Covid pandemic is currently a more serious problem than a currently non existent flu epidemic. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:47 - Oct 19 with 1041 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:36 - Oct 19 by DorsetIan |
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Pathetic!!
Come on Mr Lairy, debunk me..let's see these horrendous mortality figures laid out over the last 18 + months by the government/media scaremongering that has crippled the country and sent millions..yes millions into debt ill health by undiagnosed illnesses and mental health issues....let's then just accept that this winter's Seasonal flu will match or even eclipse covid 19 deaths without any furore or uproar..lets lockdown for a flu that could kill 60000..oh no not this year....a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission forced on millions..but just sit back and accept 60000 flu deaths this winter..if you are too blind to see the difference then pity you..
Stick to the puerile abuse Ian..thats definitely your level. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 22:06]
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| Third Covid Wave on 21:48 - Oct 19 with 1031 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:45 - Oct 19 by Sadoldgit |
My point is that the Covid pandemic is currently a more serious problem than a currently non existent flu epidemic. |
There's no point Sogs. He's a fanatic with a libertarian agenda. They all are. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 21:53 - Oct 19 with 1038 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:45 - Oct 19 by Sadoldgit |
My point is that the Covid pandemic is currently a more serious problem than a currently non existent flu epidemic. |
It isn't though is it. Our NHS has clearly stated that 60000 + deaths are easily foreseeable this winter..remarkably we locked down last year for the same amount..its absolutely farcical...2 flus both respiratory..one results in 60000 deaths with a full lockdown and economic armagedon ..the other is just a case of live with it..its ridiculous and illogical | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 21:57 - Oct 19 with 1031 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:48 - Oct 19 by DorsetIan |
There's no point Sogs. He's a fanatic with a libertarian agenda. They all are. |
Rather infantile aren't you,Ian. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 22:10 - Oct 19 with 1005 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:57 - Oct 19 by saint68 |
Rather infantile aren't you,Ian. |
Just think it's best not to waste too much time on fundamentalists and crackpots. Life really is too short, and it only encourages you. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 22:14 - Oct 19 with 1009 views | saint68 |
| Third Covid Wave on 22:10 - Oct 19 by DorsetIan |
Just think it's best not to waste too much time on fundamentalists and crackpots. Life really is too short, and it only encourages you. |
You offer nothing,!! just insult and ignorance, you aren't even capable of rebutting with verifiable valid information..Best you stick to tacky insults and false insinuations..thats definitely your level bud. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 22:23]
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| Third Covid Wave on 22:37 - Oct 19 with 977 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 22:14 - Oct 19 by saint68 |
You offer nothing,!! just insult and ignorance, you aren't even capable of rebutting with verifiable valid information..Best you stick to tacky insults and false insinuations..thats definitely your level bud. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 22:23]
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| Third Covid Wave on 01:47 - Oct 20 with 955 views | Jellybaby |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:48 - Oct 19 by DorsetIan |
There's no point Sogs. He's a fanatic with a libertarian agenda. They all are. |
I'm really hoping you work for SPI -B Ian. At least that would excuse your behaviour of utter contempt for free thought. If you are just a victim of the Covid propaganda then I am a little embarrassed on your behalf. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 10:32 - Oct 20 with 860 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 01:47 - Oct 20 by Jellybaby |
I'm really hoping you work for SPI -B Ian. At least that would excuse your behaviour of utter contempt for free thought. If you are just a victim of the Covid propaganda then I am a little embarrassed on your behalf. |
From a man who has been brainwashed by internet pseudo-science the reference to 'free thought' is actually quite funny.
It's not personal Jelly. You and 68 reject pretty much everything that everyone else would rely on. You don't seem to believe official statistics, you don't believe in the inherent honesty and integrity of doctors and scientists, you don't believe that there are thousands of different people around all working on this problem, honestly trying to find a solution. I'm pretty sure 68 is not even convinced that Covid is real.
How can anyone discuss anything sensibly with you, if you don't believe in all these things. It's impossible. That's why I suggested that 68 start a separate thread where he can put forward and people can discuss your and his conspiracy theories.
It's like you joining a football debate, denying the existence of the goalposts and explaining that we've all got it wrong because Ralph is actually trying to lose not win. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 15:25 - Oct 20 with 806 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 01:47 - Oct 20 by Jellybaby |
I'm really hoping you work for SPI -B Ian. At least that would excuse your behaviour of utter contempt for free thought. If you are just a victim of the Covid propaganda then I am a little embarrassed on your behalf. |
And don't despair Jelly, you can escape your Alice in Wonderland world.
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| Third Covid Wave on 16:30 - Oct 20 with 790 views | saint22 |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:53 - Oct 19 by saint68 |
It isn't though is it. Our NHS has clearly stated that 60000 + deaths are easily foreseeable this winter..remarkably we locked down last year for the same amount..its absolutely farcical...2 flus both respiratory..one results in 60000 deaths with a full lockdown and economic armagedon ..the other is just a case of live with it..its ridiculous and illogical |
Maybe if everyone got vaccinated and was sensible there wouldn't be such an issue but we don't leave in that world | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 17:04 - Oct 20 with 774 views | Bicester_North |
I’d be shocked if there were any more lockdowns or restrictions , more or less everyone I speak to thinks we just need to carry on now. those that are unvaccinated take their chances and those that are worried stay away from public spaces as much as possible, or wear masks etc | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 18:09 - Oct 20 with 751 views | Sadoldgit |
| Third Covid Wave on 21:53 - Oct 19 by saint68 |
It isn't though is it. Our NHS has clearly stated that 60000 + deaths are easily foreseeable this winter..remarkably we locked down last year for the same amount..its absolutely farcical...2 flus both respiratory..one results in 60000 deaths with a full lockdown and economic armagedon ..the other is just a case of live with it..its ridiculous and illogical |
Why would you believe that when you don’t believe what is said about Covid? | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 19:16 - Oct 20 with 716 views | Bazza |
| Third Covid Wave on 18:09 - Oct 20 by Sadoldgit |
Why would you believe that when you don’t believe what is said about Covid? |
Why don’t some people wear masks? Vanity, stupidity or trying to make an anti-establishment point? It’s such a small thing I really don’t understand.
At the very least it would help reduce flu infections. And reduce the impact of snot and beery dog breath, and avoid having to look at your ugly mush! | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 22:07 - Oct 20 with 677 views | Sadoldgit |
| Third Covid Wave on 19:16 - Oct 20 by Bazza |
Why don’t some people wear masks? Vanity, stupidity or trying to make an anti-establishment point? It’s such a small thing I really don’t understand.
At the very least it would help reduce flu infections. And reduce the impact of snot and beery dog breath, and avoid having to look at your ugly mush! |
It’s odd isn’t it. The supermarket had a notice up saying it was down to personal choice FFS. They are now saying that the infection rate could reach 100k a day. Doesn’t it make sense to wear a mask and keep your distance? It isn’t looking good for winter. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 22:30 - Oct 20 with 669 views | Jellybaby |
| Third Covid Wave on 10:32 - Oct 20 by DorsetIan |
From a man who has been brainwashed by internet pseudo-science the reference to 'free thought' is actually quite funny.
It's not personal Jelly. You and 68 reject pretty much everything that everyone else would rely on. You don't seem to believe official statistics, you don't believe in the inherent honesty and integrity of doctors and scientists, you don't believe that there are thousands of different people around all working on this problem, honestly trying to find a solution. I'm pretty sure 68 is not even convinced that Covid is real.
How can anyone discuss anything sensibly with you, if you don't believe in all these things. It's impossible. That's why I suggested that 68 start a separate thread where he can put forward and people can discuss your and his conspiracy theories.
It's like you joining a football debate, denying the existence of the goalposts and explaining that we've all got it wrong because Ralph is actually trying to lose not win. |
You are basing your beliefs on sentiment and not fact. You continue to use the majority argument like its beyond reproach. All it means is that most people are followers.
The whole covid debate has been so clearly propagandised that I am surprised that more people like yourself can not or refuse to see it. Do you really not think that governments have not and in the future will not gain more control over the people because of an hysterical reaction. Do you not think we have seen a transfer of wealth back to big business? Do you not think this will push us towards id cards?
I am sure many doctors and nurses are acting sincerely of course, but i personally know many who feel unable to speak up for fear of losing their jobs or the good will of their bosses.
Statistics are notoriously difficult and subjective and they have undoubtedly been used to fit the covid narrative. Again I would suggest that is clear and I am surprised that you don't accept that.
Conspiracy has been demonised and yet is merely critical thought and not just accepting what we are told. Open, honest debate should be welcomed, not kept in the margins, for surely this is how we arrive at the truth? | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 23:42 - Oct 20 with 646 views | cocklebreath |
| Third Covid Wave on 22:07 - Oct 20 by Sadoldgit |
It’s odd isn’t it. The supermarket had a notice up saying it was down to personal choice FFS. They are now saying that the infection rate could reach 100k a day. Doesn’t it make sense to wear a mask and keep your distance? It isn’t looking good for winter. |
Calm down soggy, the latest wave will peak soon when all the kids have had it |  |
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| Third Covid Wave on 09:13 - Oct 21 with 563 views | Bazza |
| Third Covid Wave on 00:22 - Oct 21 by Jellybaby |
Your hatred of conspiracy theories Ian, I would suggest reveals a fear in you. You want to maintain your wide eyed innocence, your belief in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy, and that the government is your friend and yet you have found yourself poking around down the rabbit hole trying to debunk your opponents' views - very impressed when you mentioned the Knights Templar - and now found yourself sullied by uncomfortable truths.
Alas, it's all part of growing up Ian - you will be the stronger for it and as The Who put it so well, "You won't get fooled again".  |
Jelly person, does it not occur to you that you are the one believing the fantasy where the scientists/ medics/ politicians are all trying to increase control over the masses? Spending billions on drugs, propping up businesses, weakening the economy all done to that end is just illogical.
Best not patronise people who disagree with you it weakens any semblance of validity of your unusual viewpoint. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 11:11 - Oct 21 with 535 views | kernow |
| Third Covid Wave on 19:16 - Oct 20 by Bazza |
Why don’t some people wear masks? Vanity, stupidity or trying to make an anti-establishment point? It’s such a small thing I really don’t understand.
At the very least it would help reduce flu infections. And reduce the impact of snot and beery dog breath, and avoid having to look at your ugly mush! |
Passe sanitaire + masque obligatoire = 6k new daily cases + 21 deaths + freedom to socialise with much less fear.
No controls = 48k new daily cases + 179 deaths + likelihood of catching covid delta anytime anywhere.
I would be happy to comply on those terms. | | | |
| Third Covid Wave on 11:51 - Oct 21 with 527 views | DorsetIan |
| Third Covid Wave on 09:13 - Oct 21 by Bazza |
Jelly person, does it not occur to you that you are the one believing the fantasy where the scientists/ medics/ politicians are all trying to increase control over the masses? Spending billions on drugs, propping up businesses, weakening the economy all done to that end is just illogical.
Best not patronise people who disagree with you it weakens any semblance of validity of your unusual viewpoint. |
To be fair to Jelly, he genuinely believes that he is enlightened and that the rest of us are all living in complete sheepish ignorance, and he is being persuaded that 'control of the world' is at stake, so it's serious stuff.
He may not believe this particular one but this is the gist of all the silly things that he believes:
Maybe not the sci-fi eggs stuff, but he does believe in the 'global coup d'etat by the most evil cabal of people on the planet in the history of mankind' stuff. | |
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| Third Covid Wave on 13:04 - Oct 21 with 502 views | Jellybaby |
| Third Covid Wave on 11:51 - Oct 21 by DorsetIan |
To be fair to Jelly, he genuinely believes that he is enlightened and that the rest of us are all living in complete sheepish ignorance, and he is being persuaded that 'control of the world' is at stake, so it's serious stuff.
He may not believe this particular one but this is the gist of all the silly things that he believes:
Maybe not the sci-fi eggs stuff, but he does believe in the 'global coup d'etat by the most evil cabal of people on the planet in the history of mankind' stuff. |
The classic straw man argument! Ian, I expect better from you!
You can't get out of debate by going to extremes. Answer the questions around control and authoritarianism.
I don't believe everyone else is living in complete sheepish ignorance. Most people can see there are illogical approaches around Covid and acknowledge that, but they take a pragmatic approach that they can't change it - fair enough.
But then there are covid zealots like yourself who think we should wear masks forever, lock down sooner and harder and that the unvaxxed should have their freedoms removed in a medical apartheid. I know you like to think of yourself as "Mr Normal" but your viewpoint is pretty extreme too fella. | |
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