| The Taliban 11:11 - Aug 15 with 9005 views | Sadoldgit |
After many years of death and disability amongst our soldiers we have now left the country and once again it is at the mercy of the Taliban. The families and loved ones of those who have lost their lives and those who will spend the rest of their lives without limbs must be wondering why they bothered. We followed the US in their supposed fight against terrorism. Yet another failure of American foreign policy that we trotted dutifully behind. What a waste of lives and resources that turned out to be. |  | | |  |
| The Taliban on 11:29 - Aug 18 with 1482 views | barry_sanchez |
I am amazed at the cognitive dissonance concerning the anti war/intervention stance and the one Trump displayed last year, casualties will be the same, left and right once again closer than they'd admit or probably think about. |  |
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| The Taliban on 16:00 - Aug 18 with 1419 views | Southamptonfan |
What an earth are all the leaders of the west doing though? Biden pulls out all the troops in a few days because "that was the plan" set out by the Trump administration. So the UN, the UK and the USA just went along with this plan? Did they discuss a more sensible, less chaotic plan? Where are all the other countries in the world, just turning a blind eye. Why is it just up to the USA and the UK. Surely Canada, France, UK, USA, Spain, Norway, wherever could have had a discussion and formulated a plan, sharing the responsibility to keep the Taliban at bay. |  |
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| The Taliban on 16:08 - Aug 18 with 1415 views | 1885_SFC |
| The Taliban on 16:00 - Aug 18 by Southamptonfan |
What an earth are all the leaders of the west doing though? Biden pulls out all the troops in a few days because "that was the plan" set out by the Trump administration. So the UN, the UK and the USA just went along with this plan? Did they discuss a more sensible, less chaotic plan? Where are all the other countries in the world, just turning a blind eye. Why is it just up to the USA and the UK. Surely Canada, France, UK, USA, Spain, Norway, wherever could have had a discussion and formulated a plan, sharing the responsibility to keep the Taliban at bay. |
Because the Yanks have all the intel, all the air power, all the drones, all the satellites, the boots on the ground, and endless amounts of $$$.
Without them - it's game over for the rest of us. Sad but true. |  |
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| The Taliban on 16:16 - Aug 18 with 1406 views | Bazza |
| The Taliban on 16:08 - Aug 18 by 1885_SFC |
Because the Yanks have all the intel, all the air power, all the drones, all the satellites, the boots on the ground, and endless amounts of $$$.
Without them - it's game over for the rest of us. Sad but true. |
UK Government supposedly tried to get other UN members interested but only Turkey offered their support. Not a task to go alone on. [Post edited 18 Aug 2021 18:38]
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| The Taliban on 11:21 - Aug 20 with 1319 views | Sadoldgit |
Raab is the latest in a long line of cabinet ministers who likes the title and the trappings of the job but isn’t so fussed about the responsibility that goes with it. The manager of a branch of Lidl can get away with laying on a beach if there are operational problems in the store. If you are a senior government minister and the country your country invaded is going tits up because the security forces you deployed are now leaving, you need to show some kind of leadership and at the very least availability. The arrogance and unaccountability of these people is staggering. It’s a shame that the take over of the country so many people have given their lives or limbs for interfered with his tanning plans, but at the end of the day, even if one phone call wouldn’t have made any difference, “it’s his fu cking job” to quote Jonathan Pie. It is shameful that he still has this job and shows utter contempt for those who gave up a lot more than a few days in the sun for the people of Afghanistan. | | | |
| The Taliban on 12:12 - Aug 20 with 1304 views | DorsetIan |
| The Taliban on 11:21 - Aug 20 by Sadoldgit |
Raab is the latest in a long line of cabinet ministers who likes the title and the trappings of the job but isn’t so fussed about the responsibility that goes with it. The manager of a branch of Lidl can get away with laying on a beach if there are operational problems in the store. If you are a senior government minister and the country your country invaded is going tits up because the security forces you deployed are now leaving, you need to show some kind of leadership and at the very least availability. The arrogance and unaccountability of these people is staggering. It’s a shame that the take over of the country so many people have given their lives or limbs for interfered with his tanning plans, but at the end of the day, even if one phone call wouldn’t have made any difference, “it’s his fu cking job” to quote Jonathan Pie. It is shameful that he still has this job and shows utter contempt for those who gave up a lot more than a few days in the sun for the people of Afghanistan. |
The contrast with earlier times is stark.
In 1982, Lord Carrington resigned immediately as Foreign Secretary because he didn't see the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands coming.
The Foreign Secretary is on the beach when Kabul falls to put the tin lid on Britain's worst foreign failure since Suez and he thinks he still has the moral authority to continue.
The worst part about Johnson and his government is not their Brexit lies or their repeated incompetence, it's their complete lack of class. None of them seem to have an ounce of integrity.
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| The Taliban on 12:29 - Aug 20 with 1295 views | Bazza |
| The Taliban on 12:12 - Aug 20 by DorsetIan |
The contrast with earlier times is stark.
In 1982, Lord Carrington resigned immediately as Foreign Secretary because he didn't see the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands coming.
The Foreign Secretary is on the beach when Kabul falls to put the tin lid on Britain's worst foreign failure since Suez and he thinks he still has the moral authority to continue.
The worst part about Johnson and his government is not their Brexit lies or their repeated incompetence, it's their complete lack of class. None of them seem to have an ounce of integrity.
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You should have added a number of very senior civil servants, permanent secretaries who were also on holiday or chose not to take action and notify the politicians. | | | |
| The Taliban on 12:44 - Aug 20 with 1279 views | DorsetIan |
| The Taliban on 12:29 - Aug 20 by Bazza |
You should have added a number of very senior civil servants, permanent secretaries who were also on holiday or chose not to take action and notify the politicians. |
I take the point but not quite the same, is it? They are not the decision makers.
We shall fight from the beaches, we shall fight from the swimming pools, we shall fight from the bars and from the restaurants, we shall fight from the 1st class lounges. | |
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| The Taliban on 13:03 - Aug 20 with 1270 views | SalisburySaint |
| The Taliban on 11:21 - Aug 20 by Sadoldgit |
Raab is the latest in a long line of cabinet ministers who likes the title and the trappings of the job but isn’t so fussed about the responsibility that goes with it. The manager of a branch of Lidl can get away with laying on a beach if there are operational problems in the store. If you are a senior government minister and the country your country invaded is going tits up because the security forces you deployed are now leaving, you need to show some kind of leadership and at the very least availability. The arrogance and unaccountability of these people is staggering. It’s a shame that the take over of the country so many people have given their lives or limbs for interfered with his tanning plans, but at the end of the day, even if one phone call wouldn’t have made any difference, “it’s his fu cking job” to quote Jonathan Pie. It is shameful that he still has this job and shows utter contempt for those who gave up a lot more than a few days in the sun for the people of Afghanistan. |
Its hardly a surprise with Raab
he's a foreign secretary until the last year didn't realise Calais was in France, probably got had no idea where Afghanistan was either or realised that Americans withdrawing, and hadn't even considered the possbile consequences.
As with Iraq, we should have never have invaded in first place, as the route of most of Middle east's problems is Saudi Arabia, most of those involved in 9/11 from there as was Bin Ladin. |  | | |
| The Taliban on 13:49 - Aug 20 with 1246 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 12:29 - Aug 20 by Bazza |
You should have added a number of very senior civil servants, permanent secretaries who were also on holiday or chose not to take action and notify the politicians. |
Apparently people tried to contact Raab but couldn’t as he was too busy doing his holiday stuff. This is the head honcho don’t forget. The man with whom the buck is supposed to stop with. | | | |
| The Taliban on 18:00 - Aug 20 with 1196 views | Bazza |
| The Taliban on 13:49 - Aug 20 by Sadoldgit |
Apparently people tried to contact Raab but couldn’t as he was too busy doing his holiday stuff. This is the head honcho don’t forget. The man with whom the buck is supposed to stop with. |
Sure but what was Raab supposed to do that would made any difference? Not much would have made any impact with the Taliban knocking at the door. His Afgani contact was already busy at the airport and our ambassador was and is doing a great job organising the refugees.
By the way you do know Jonathan Pie is fictional
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| The Taliban on 18:11 - Aug 20 with 1192 views | 1885_SFC |
I see ousted Afghan president Ashraf Ghani, who is in exile in the United Arab Emirates, took £123m with him. What a totally nice chap. | |
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| The Taliban on 20:50 - Aug 20 with 1165 views | Southamptonfan |
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/taliban-set-woman-fire-bad-180705403.html
I hope our western leaders are happy with themselves and ofcourse the outgoing Afghan president. You might expect certain behaviors from people like Trump, but Biden allowing human lives to suffer like this, including disgusting torture? As a democrat, does he really think pulling out the troops as Trump planned, was the right thing? No such democrat at all, wanting to save the bills. Its dreadful that we (the west) sit back whilst human beings are being killed and tortured by a group we could have stopped or planned for. [Post edited 20 Aug 2021 20:51]
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| The Taliban on 21:15 - Aug 20 with 1153 views | Bicester_North |
| The Taliban on 20:50 - Aug 20 by Southamptonfan |
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/taliban-set-woman-fire-bad-180705403.html
I hope our western leaders are happy with themselves and ofcourse the outgoing Afghan president. You might expect certain behaviors from people like Trump, but Biden allowing human lives to suffer like this, including disgusting torture? As a democrat, does he really think pulling out the troops as Trump planned, was the right thing? No such democrat at all, wanting to save the bills. Its dreadful that we (the west) sit back whilst human beings are being killed and tortured by a group we could have stopped or planned for. [Post edited 20 Aug 2021 20:51]
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Not sure you’re right there, it’s a bad world in the Middle East and nobody has ever changed Afghanistan for the better. You aren’t dealing with people who can be changed by outside influences.
The mistake was probably going there in the first place, although at the time everyone wanted Al Qaeda defeated.
The choice is either stay there indefinitely or try and use intelligence to prevent them from mobbing up against the West. Terrible what will happen to those that went against the Taliban and all the young women etc who had their lives briefly improved but not sure what else there is. | |
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| The Taliban on 17:24 - Aug 23 with 1038 views | Southamptonfan |
Biden is getting a lot of grief and rightly so. Setting a date of August 31st, giving the Taliban every right to say, that was the deal. Another fatal mistake, setting a date. Looking like many people at risk of torture and death, won't be evacuated in time. It's all on the US. If they pull out, so does everyone else. ISIS already going into Afghanistan, according to reports. So when we have the first terrorist attack that kills thousands of people, is this really the right decision? And whether the USA eventually pulls out is a different question, to should they have pulled out thousands of troops in a few days without a plan to contain the Taliban. No mention of the British or other nations either, just the Americans. Trump said America first, yet Biden is carrying it on to the extreme. Biden again said, that the Taliban were highly unlikely to take over. Naive or hopeless? [Post edited 23 Aug 2021 17:38]
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| The Taliban on 07:53 - Aug 24 with 962 views | geezershoong1 |
| The Taliban on 20:50 - Aug 20 by Southamptonfan |
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/taliban-set-woman-fire-bad-180705403.html
I hope our western leaders are happy with themselves and ofcourse the outgoing Afghan president. You might expect certain behaviors from people like Trump, but Biden allowing human lives to suffer like this, including disgusting torture? As a democrat, does he really think pulling out the troops as Trump planned, was the right thing? No such democrat at all, wanting to save the bills. Its dreadful that we (the west) sit back whilst human beings are being killed and tortured by a group we could have stopped or planned for. [Post edited 20 Aug 2021 20:51]
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'You might expect certain behaviours from people like Trump.'
Trump set a conditional withdrawal - people first, Army second. Even anyone with no military experience knows that.
Not cheering for him, that is just a fact.
The question is: What does the Taliban have on Biden? |  |
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| The Taliban on 07:54 - Aug 24 with 961 views | geezershoong1 |
| The Taliban on 18:11 - Aug 20 by 1885_SFC |
I see ousted Afghan president Ashraf Ghani, who is in exile in the United Arab Emirates, took £123m with him. What a totally nice chap. |
Apparently there was so much money they couldn't close the doors on the cars stuffed with cash - all 3 of them. | |
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| The Taliban on 09:30 - Aug 24 with 932 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 07:53 - Aug 24 by geezershoong1 |
'You might expect certain behaviours from people like Trump.'
Trump set a conditional withdrawal - people first, Army second. Even anyone with no military experience knows that.
Not cheering for him, that is just a fact.
The question is: What does the Taliban have on Biden? |
To be fair to Biden he has wanted out for a very long time. You can argue that they shouldn’t have gone in in the first place. I don’t blame him for taking the troops out, they couldn’t have stayed forever and were always going to leave at some point. Yes it could have been handled better but there was always going internal strife once the west pulled out. I’m not sure what the answer is if there is no permanent occupation. This is what happens when you interfere with other countries sovereignty. So it looks like another civil war, a backward step for the country and hundreds of thousands of new refugees. Not to mention so many lives lost for no gain. | | | |
| The Taliban on 13:17 - Aug 24 with 914 views | geezershoong1 |
| The Taliban on 09:30 - Aug 24 by Sadoldgit |
To be fair to Biden he has wanted out for a very long time. You can argue that they shouldn’t have gone in in the first place. I don’t blame him for taking the troops out, they couldn’t have stayed forever and were always going to leave at some point. Yes it could have been handled better but there was always going internal strife once the west pulled out. I’m not sure what the answer is if there is no permanent occupation. This is what happens when you interfere with other countries sovereignty. So it looks like another civil war, a backward step for the country and hundreds of thousands of new refugees. Not to mention so many lives lost for no gain. |
'To be fair to Biden he has wanted out for a very long time. You can argue that they shouldn’t have gone in in the first place. I don’t blame him for taking the troops out, they couldn’t have stayed forever and were always going to leave at some point.'
Nope, nothing to be fair about - any 6 year old kid who's played Command and Conquer knows you get the troops out first. Everyone has wanted out - but not in a way that has changed into a giant hostage situation.
The US was virtually crippled for a year by the Tehran hostage crisis - this could be on a much grander scale. This was a political decision to coincide with 9/11 and they've had intel since May that this was going to happen.
When even the main stream media in the US are at least asking questions of 'their guy', well, big problems. The only person who could be as bad as Biden is Kamala Harris who I'm sure can't wait to push him down the stairs. [Post edited 24 Aug 2021 13:17]
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| The Taliban on 13:26 - Aug 24 with 904 views | Southamptonfan |
How fair is it that Afgans who had the west imposed on them through a war, now have to risk torture and death because the west pulls out? We shouldn't have gone in the first place, but we did. That means we have a responsibility for human life. To pull out the troops in a few days, to set a date of 31st August is madness. There will be people at risk of death, who won't get evacuated in time. So who thinks Biden's decision to leave innocent people to die is the right one, when all he had to do was not give a date until all those at risk were evacuated? Biden has done all this and this terrible for the innocent people of Afghanistan. Yes, troops can't stay forever, but this could have been better thought out, so as to not allow a terrorist organisation back in power in a week. There will be trouble ahead and we will end up going back won't we, let's be honest. Who thinks the Taliban will play ball going forward? And when they don't, what do we do then? [Post edited 24 Aug 2021 13:29]
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| The Taliban on 14:40 - Aug 24 with 890 views | Sadoldgit |
While I am not saying that Biden has played a blinder here, Trump signed a peace treaty with the Taliban that said that the Americans would leave within 14 months. | | | |
| The Taliban on 17:41 - Aug 24 with 877 views | JaySaint |
| The Taliban on 14:40 - Aug 24 by Sadoldgit |
While I am not saying that Biden has played a blinder here, Trump signed a peace treaty with the Taliban that said that the Americans would leave within 14 months. |
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| The Taliban on 19:47 - Aug 24 with 845 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 17:41 - Aug 24 by JaySaint |
so? |
So it is down to him that American are leaving Afghanistan and the timeline was set by him. It’s not a difficult concept. He agreed that America would leave Afghanistan by 1st May 2021. [Post edited 24 Aug 2021 22:43]
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| The Taliban on 06:04 - Aug 25 with 803 views | JaySaint |
| The Taliban on 19:47 - Aug 24 by Sadoldgit |
So it is down to him that American are leaving Afghanistan and the timeline was set by him. It’s not a difficult concept. He agreed that America would leave Afghanistan by 1st May 2021. [Post edited 24 Aug 2021 22:43]
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Yes it is. He has reversed many of Trumps other policies, both home and abroad.
however, NOTHING he could be doing differently now. Nope, all the bad orange mans fault! | |
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