| The Taliban 11:11 - Aug 15 with 9004 views | Sadoldgit |
After many years of death and disability amongst our soldiers we have now left the country and once again it is at the mercy of the Taliban. The families and loved ones of those who have lost their lives and those who will spend the rest of their lives without limbs must be wondering why they bothered. We followed the US in their supposed fight against terrorism. Yet another failure of American foreign policy that we trotted dutifully behind. What a waste of lives and resources that turned out to be. |  | | |  |
| The Taliban on 08:14 - Aug 25 with 1127 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 06:04 - Aug 25 by JaySaint |
Yes it is. He has reversed many of Trumps other policies, both home and abroad.
however, NOTHING he could be doing differently now. Nope, all the bad orange mans fault! |
But I didn’t say that did I? I suggest you read what I said again in relation to the preceding post. | | | |
| The Taliban on 12:18 - Aug 25 with 1059 views | Chesham_Saint |
| The Taliban on 06:04 - Aug 25 by JaySaint |
Yes it is. He has reversed many of Trumps other policies, both home and abroad.
however, NOTHING he could be doing differently now. Nope, all the bad orange mans fault! |
Sogs, as a man of the left (and that’s not a dig) how do you address the dichotomy of Islam’s generally appalling view of women’s and gay rights? In short, the elephant in the room that is “Islamophobia”? |  |
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| The Taliban on 12:26 - Aug 25 with 1054 views | Sadoldgit |
I think any form of extreme political or religious dogma has no place in the modern world. People are entitled to believe what they like so long as they don’t use those beliefs to act outside lawful activities. I don’t see Islam itself as being a problem but the extremist factions clearly are. And I prefer to see my self as a man of the centre 😉 | | | |
| The Taliban on 09:35 - Aug 26 with 974 views | Berber |
| The Taliban on 12:18 - Aug 25 by Chesham_Saint |
Sogs, as a man of the left (and that’s not a dig) how do you address the dichotomy of Islam’s generally appalling view of women’s and gay rights? In short, the elephant in the room that is “Islamophobia”? |
Sounds like USA deep south christianity. |  | | |
| The Taliban on 11:43 - Aug 26 with 961 views | Chesham_Saint |
| The Taliban on 12:26 - Aug 25 by Sadoldgit |
I think any form of extreme political or religious dogma has no place in the modern world. People are entitled to believe what they like so long as they don’t use those beliefs to act outside lawful activities. I don’t see Islam itself as being a problem but the extremist factions clearly are. And I prefer to see my self as a man of the centre 😉 |
Two things: extremist factions of Islam? Whenever there’s been a poll of muslims in this country, a significant chunk support Sharia law, so sadly it’s not confined to a small group of extremists as your reply implied.
Secondly, “a man of the centre”? 😂. I’ll admit you’re a man with a sense of humour..! | |
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| The Taliban on 12:54 - Aug 26 with 956 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 11:43 - Aug 26 by Chesham_Saint |
Two things: extremist factions of Islam? Whenever there’s been a poll of muslims in this country, a significant chunk support Sharia law, so sadly it’s not confined to a small group of extremists as your reply implied.
Secondly, “a man of the centre”? 😂. I’ll admit you’re a man with a sense of humour..! |
In most elections I have voted Liberal Democrat so I would say that makes me a centrist. I have voted Labour in the last 2 elections but voted tactically to get the Tories out (not that it will ever happen in my neck of the woods, sadly). | | | |
| The Taliban on 15:15 - Aug 26 with 932 views | Southamptonfan |
Already been an explosion by a suspected suicide bomber outside Kabul airport. So the devastating consequences of pulling out troops have started already.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/asia/south-asia/kabul-airport
The question is, what do we do when when the Taliban are clearly a huge danger to the world? Allowing the Taliban back, is the biggest mistake, the West will ever make. We will be back there soon anyway. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 15:21]
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| The Taliban on 19:33 - Aug 26 with 879 views | Bazza |
Unfortunately Afghanistan is a very rugged country with a large part of the population uneducated and still in primitive conditions. It’s these conditions that have bred the Taliban. No country has ever managed to control the country so who are we to try. In the last election there less than 10% voted.
We should think really hard about invading again especially when there is an open border to Pakistan. No doubt China will try to increase their influence. | | | |
| The Taliban on 19:53 - Aug 26 with 870 views | Chesham_Saint |
| The Taliban on 12:54 - Aug 26 by Sadoldgit |
In most elections I have voted Liberal Democrat so I would say that makes me a centrist. I have voted Labour in the last 2 elections but voted tactically to get the Tories out (not that it will ever happen in my neck of the woods, sadly). |
In what world are the Lib Dems centrist? They were certainly way to the left of Labour under Blair and as for some of their current policies…🤪
I’m sorry, but I’m filing you in the ‘likeable, witty left of centre’ file… | |
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| The Taliban on 20:16 - Aug 26 with 855 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 19:53 - Aug 26 by Chesham_Saint |
In what world are the Lib Dems centrist? They were certainly way to the left of Labour under Blair and as for some of their current policies…🤪
I’m sorry, but I’m filing you in the ‘likeable, witty left of centre’ file… |
File me where you like Chesh but I am not interested in anything far left or right. If it is all about labels stick a humanitarian badge on me. | | | |
| The Taliban on 21:40 - Aug 26 with 833 views | 1885_SFC |
12 American troops killed and 15 injured in the attack earlier. What a senseless waste of life when they were leaving soon anyway. When you add the 50-odd Afghan civilians that also lost their lives to today's death toll - you do wonder what sort of crazy, fooked up parts of the world there still are in 2021 with little or no hope for the future. |  |
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| The Taliban on 22:15 - Aug 26 with 822 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 21:40 - Aug 26 by 1885_SFC |
12 American troops killed and 15 injured in the attack earlier. What a senseless waste of life when they were leaving soon anyway. When you add the 50-odd Afghan civilians that also lost their lives to today's death toll - you do wonder what sort of crazy, fooked up parts of the world there still are in 2021 with little or no hope for the future. |
As bizarre as it sounds, ISIS K are against the Taliban as much as they are against us. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 22:21]
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| The Taliban on 23:07 - Aug 26 with 802 views | 1885_SFC |
| The Taliban on 22:15 - Aug 26 by Sadoldgit |
As bizarre as it sounds, ISIS K are against the Taliban as much as they are against us. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 22:21]
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When the Taliban let 5,000 prisoners out of Kabul jail all at once - many of them ISIS and al-Qaeda fighters - then I guess you're really asking for trouble...
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| The Taliban on 00:41 - Aug 27 with 778 views | DorsetIan |
| The Taliban on 19:53 - Aug 26 by Chesham_Saint |
In what world are the Lib Dems centrist? They were certainly way to the left of Labour under Blair and as for some of their current policies…🤪
I’m sorry, but I’m filing you in the ‘likeable, witty left of centre’ file… |
They‘ve had some radical ideas of late, but they believe in the free market, so could never be called socialists. They might have been more radical than Blair, but they’ve never been to the left of the Labour Party. (See also ?Nick Clegg). | |
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| The Taliban on 09:00 - Aug 27 with 722 views | Berber |
| The Taliban on 00:41 - Aug 27 by DorsetIan |
They‘ve had some radical ideas of late, but they believe in the free market, so could never be called socialists. They might have been more radical than Blair, but they’ve never been to the left of the Labour Party. (See also ?Nick Clegg). |
I would describe them as freewheeling opportunists. Locally, and even at general elections, the candidates across the country cannot be reconciled to a coherent party view. The “not” party. Not Tory, not Labour. When in positions of influence, they have mostly been like local and civil administrators, relish the opportunity to say “no” and feel good about it. But in the wider picture, I can see the allure.
However, there is one excellent initiative they tried to push, major reform of the House of Lords, which Cameron and his sidekicks scandalously squashed.
It doesn’t help that their leader looks like a sock puppet and is as memorable as an IKEA duvet cover. | | | |
| The Taliban on 10:09 - Aug 27 with 712 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 09:00 - Aug 27 by Berber |
I would describe them as freewheeling opportunists. Locally, and even at general elections, the candidates across the country cannot be reconciled to a coherent party view. The “not” party. Not Tory, not Labour. When in positions of influence, they have mostly been like local and civil administrators, relish the opportunity to say “no” and feel good about it. But in the wider picture, I can see the allure.
However, there is one excellent initiative they tried to push, major reform of the House of Lords, which Cameron and his sidekicks scandalously squashed.
It doesn’t help that their leader looks like a sock puppet and is as memorable as an IKEA duvet cover. |
Clegg made a huge mistake when he sided with Cameron and I don’t think many LibDems have forgiven him for allowing the last 10 years to happen. I haven’t voted for them since. You are so right about Ed Dave. They need a charismatic leader to help rebuild their image. As the only centre party they should be hovering up the votes from middle England. This is a conservative (small c deliberate) country and a party that embraces capitalism with with social responsibilities should have a greater appeal to the voters. Sadly for the country the main opposition party is still intent on ripping itself apart whilst the ruling party continue feather their own and their buddies nests and bumble along incompetently without giving a toss for the rest of us. | | | |
| The Taliban on 10:50 - Aug 27 with 707 views | Chesham_Saint |
| The Taliban on 10:09 - Aug 27 by Sadoldgit |
Clegg made a huge mistake when he sided with Cameron and I don’t think many LibDems have forgiven him for allowing the last 10 years to happen. I haven’t voted for them since. You are so right about Ed Dave. They need a charismatic leader to help rebuild their image. As the only centre party they should be hovering up the votes from middle England. This is a conservative (small c deliberate) country and a party that embraces capitalism with with social responsibilities should have a greater appeal to the voters. Sadly for the country the main opposition party is still intent on ripping itself apart whilst the ruling party continue feather their own and their buddies nests and bumble along incompetently without giving a toss for the rest of us. |
The only centre party? That’s ridiculous. According to many/most observers the Tories have ‘parked their tanks’ on Labour’s lawn. You may not like their personnel, but today’s Tories are nothing like the Thatcherite mob of the 80s. Meanwhile Sir Keir is not exactly Corbyn or Foot, so the centre ground is pretty densely packed As for the Libs they seem more focused on being pan sexual and fighting the battles of 5 years ago. I’d sooner eat my own shit vote for them. | |
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| The Taliban on 10:58 - Aug 27 with 695 views | Berber |
| The Taliban on 10:50 - Aug 27 by Chesham_Saint |
The only centre party? That’s ridiculous. According to many/most observers the Tories have ‘parked their tanks’ on Labour’s lawn. You may not like their personnel, but today’s Tories are nothing like the Thatcherite mob of the 80s. Meanwhile Sir Keir is not exactly Corbyn or Foot, so the centre ground is pretty densely packed As for the Libs they seem more focused on being pan sexual and fighting the battles of 5 years ago. I’d sooner eat my own shit vote for them. |
There is so much I agree with with Yours and SOG’s posts above. What a buggers’s muddle UK politics has got itself into. I see myself as slightly right of centre, ever since in my first job, a union official opened his pitch to me with, “How long are you going to be a parasite on the Union?” I told him to ferk right off, and if he spoke like that to me ever again, I’d take pleasure in getting the sack for punching his light out.” Luckily, he took it onboard. | | | |
| The Taliban on 11:37 - Aug 27 with 680 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 10:50 - Aug 27 by Chesham_Saint |
The only centre party? That’s ridiculous. According to many/most observers the Tories have ‘parked their tanks’ on Labour’s lawn. You may not like their personnel, but today’s Tories are nothing like the Thatcherite mob of the 80s. Meanwhile Sir Keir is not exactly Corbyn or Foot, so the centre ground is pretty densely packed As for the Libs they seem more focused on being pan sexual and fighting the battles of 5 years ago. I’d sooner eat my own shit vote for them. |
They may not be as right wing as the Thatcher years but they still look after themselves and their buddies financially which is a major Tory trait. I think the problem with that Party now is that are arecled by someone with no ideology than looking after no 1 and his cabinet are all following suit. Any decent, principled Tories, like Rory Stewart, have been banished to the sidelines. All we have now is a bunch of pigs with their snouts in the trough post Brexit. They have even managed to make money out of a pandemic. I think Keir Starmer is a decent man who wants to do right for all in this country. Unfortunately there are factions in his party who would rather paralyse his campaign than get the Tories out. In a perfect world I would like to see a coalition between the Libdems and a moderate selection of Labour and Tory MPs with some Greens thrown in for good measure. We are moving into a different world now, one where we need to look after everybody, not just let a select few spend fortune on football teams or vanity space projects. Food banks, child poverty and an unfair Universal Credit system have no place in 21st century societies. The creation of wealth is fine as long as it goes back into the societies which helped create it. Unfortunately the system in the west create a pyramid system where all of the wealth is at the top and the rest of us have to make do with the scraps thrown from the high table. The Tory Party will always be about looking after the minority. We need to be better than that now. | | | |
| The Taliban on 11:45 - Aug 27 with 678 views | JaySaint |
| The Taliban on 11:37 - Aug 27 by Sadoldgit |
They may not be as right wing as the Thatcher years but they still look after themselves and their buddies financially which is a major Tory trait. I think the problem with that Party now is that are arecled by someone with no ideology than looking after no 1 and his cabinet are all following suit. Any decent, principled Tories, like Rory Stewart, have been banished to the sidelines. All we have now is a bunch of pigs with their snouts in the trough post Brexit. They have even managed to make money out of a pandemic. I think Keir Starmer is a decent man who wants to do right for all in this country. Unfortunately there are factions in his party who would rather paralyse his campaign than get the Tories out. In a perfect world I would like to see a coalition between the Libdems and a moderate selection of Labour and Tory MPs with some Greens thrown in for good measure. We are moving into a different world now, one where we need to look after everybody, not just let a select few spend fortune on football teams or vanity space projects. Food banks, child poverty and an unfair Universal Credit system have no place in 21st century societies. The creation of wealth is fine as long as it goes back into the societies which helped create it. Unfortunately the system in the west create a pyramid system where all of the wealth is at the top and the rest of us have to make do with the scraps thrown from the high table. The Tory Party will always be about looking after the minority. We need to be better than that now. |
you are a biased bore. | |
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| The Taliban on 12:22 - Aug 27 with 667 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 11:45 - Aug 27 by JaySaint |
you are a biased bore. |
And you seem to struggle with someone who has a differently philosophy about life so we both have our own crosses to bear. | | | |
| The Taliban on 12:44 - Aug 27 with 659 views | Bazza |
| The Taliban on 11:37 - Aug 27 by Sadoldgit |
They may not be as right wing as the Thatcher years but they still look after themselves and their buddies financially which is a major Tory trait. I think the problem with that Party now is that are arecled by someone with no ideology than looking after no 1 and his cabinet are all following suit. Any decent, principled Tories, like Rory Stewart, have been banished to the sidelines. All we have now is a bunch of pigs with their snouts in the trough post Brexit. They have even managed to make money out of a pandemic. I think Keir Starmer is a decent man who wants to do right for all in this country. Unfortunately there are factions in his party who would rather paralyse his campaign than get the Tories out. In a perfect world I would like to see a coalition between the Libdems and a moderate selection of Labour and Tory MPs with some Greens thrown in for good measure. We are moving into a different world now, one where we need to look after everybody, not just let a select few spend fortune on football teams or vanity space projects. Food banks, child poverty and an unfair Universal Credit system have no place in 21st century societies. The creation of wealth is fine as long as it goes back into the societies which helped create it. Unfortunately the system in the west create a pyramid system where all of the wealth is at the top and the rest of us have to make do with the scraps thrown from the high table. The Tory Party will always be about looking after the minority. We need to be better than that now. |
Food banks, child poverty and unfair universal credit will always be represented in our society. There will always feckless, dishonest and lazy people in society. Child poverty as calculated is a measure of inequality of wealth not as you may think based on the number of poor children.
I admire your idealism but it will always be a objective never a reality.
You’ve mentioned the weaknesses of the Tories and Labour, the Liberals were quickly corrupted by the sniff of power in the Coalition. Time for a new style of democracy maybe. | | | |
| The Taliban on 13:10 - Aug 27 with 639 views | Sadoldgit |
| The Taliban on 12:44 - Aug 27 by Bazza |
Food banks, child poverty and unfair universal credit will always be represented in our society. There will always feckless, dishonest and lazy people in society. Child poverty as calculated is a measure of inequality of wealth not as you may think based on the number of poor children.
I admire your idealism but it will always be a objective never a reality.
You’ve mentioned the weaknesses of the Tories and Labour, the Liberals were quickly corrupted by the sniff of power in the Coalition. Time for a new style of democracy maybe. |
I’m not sure if everyone who is struggling is feckless and lazy if that was your point Bazza? Many people are holding down 2 or 3 jobs a week and still can’t make ends meet. I completely agree that a new system is needed although what the answer is, I don’t know. Certainly Proportional Representation would be a move towards a greater democratic Parliament and the LibDems seemed to be championing change until the ill fated coalition when the movement disappeared. It doesn’t help that the present government has a large majority and can do what it pleases. “Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Nothing will change here until the electorate demand something better. The trouble with us Brits is that we are way too subservient to the “ruling class”. The French had the right idea in the 18thc (although they took it to extremes). | | | |
| The Taliban on 14:53 - Aug 27 with 603 views | Bazza |
| The Taliban on 13:10 - Aug 27 by Sadoldgit |
I’m not sure if everyone who is struggling is feckless and lazy if that was your point Bazza? Many people are holding down 2 or 3 jobs a week and still can’t make ends meet. I completely agree that a new system is needed although what the answer is, I don’t know. Certainly Proportional Representation would be a move towards a greater democratic Parliament and the LibDems seemed to be championing change until the ill fated coalition when the movement disappeared. It doesn’t help that the present government has a large majority and can do what it pleases. “Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Nothing will change here until the electorate demand something better. The trouble with us Brits is that we are way too subservient to the “ruling class”. The French had the right idea in the 18thc (although they took it to extremes). |
To answer your query; no I think not all struggling people are feckless or lazy, some are just very unlucky eg losing their job, being ill, getting divorced. I do think there is a group of people who think they are forever entitled (and not just royalty or footballers) to take benefits and likely pass on that mindset to their offspring. | | | |
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