| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR 18:32 - Apr 30 with 3886 views | James1980 |
Does Rochdale lie in the land that was the former heptarchic kingdom of Mercia or Northumbria?
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 18:39 - Apr 30 with 3853 views | D_Alien |
There's a fair chance it straddles both, either side of the River Roch |  |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 18:48 - Apr 30 with 3822 views | James1980 |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 18:39 - Apr 30 by D_Alien |
There's a fair chance it straddles both, either side of the River Roch |
I did wonder if it might be on the border. The excellent British History Podcast has got me wanting to know more about this sort of thing | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 19:03 - Apr 30 with 3787 views | D_Alien |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 18:48 - Apr 30 by James1980 |
I did wonder if it might be on the border. The excellent British History Podcast has got me wanting to know more about this sort of thing |
It's not something i'd considered before, but when i checked a map of the ancient kingdoms (not guaranteed to be 100% accurate) there seems to be a natural boundary stretching from the Humber estuary towards the Welsh borders south of the Dee estuary, roughly along the line that the M62/M56/M53 takes
Whatever settlement existed prior to our first mention in the Domesday Book (Recedham) may well have been in both kingdoms at different times | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 19:25 - Apr 30 with 3715 views | fermin |
Takes me back to my degree many years ago. Didn't think I would see a question on Dark Age history on here. My recollection is that the Mercian border was around Liverpool. When the Danelaw was established their border was roughly from there to London. Rochdale must have been in Northumbria. |  | | |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 19:33 - Apr 30 with 3689 views | James1980 |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 19:25 - Apr 30 by fermin |
Takes me back to my degree many years ago. Didn't think I would see a question on Dark Age history on here. My recollection is that the Mercian border was around Liverpool. When the Danelaw was established their border was roughly from there to London. Rochdale must have been in Northumbria. |
I find it absolutely fascinating. Offa, Penda, the Staffordshire Hoard. Power shifts between the different kingdoms. How in hindsight the stage was set for William the Illegitimate to conquer. Wish my GCSE history was this rather than Enclosure, Ind Rev and Corn Laws | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 19:42 - Apr 30 with 3654 views | D_Alien |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 19:25 - Apr 30 by fermin |
Takes me back to my degree many years ago. Didn't think I would see a question on Dark Age history on here. My recollection is that the Mercian border was around Liverpool. When the Danelaw was established their border was roughly from there to London. Rochdale must have been in Northumbria. |
Is that where the name 'Mersey' comes from (Mercia)?
If we were indeed in Northumbria, it'd perhaps explain our affinity with The North rather than The Midlands and south | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 20:37 - Apr 30 with 3581 views | mikehunt |
James: Ian Hislop did a series on Radio 4 called The Ghost Kingdoms of England. All about these areas. Did you catch any of those? Might still be able to find them on BBC Sounds. |  |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:06 - Apr 30 with 3515 views | mikehunt |
Them’s ‘em. | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:07 - Apr 30 with 3513 views | James1980 |
I will listen to that on my journey back to Sussex | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:14 - Apr 30 with 3496 views | D_Alien |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:07 - Apr 30 by James1980 |
I will listen to that on my journey back to Sussex |
One of the original kingdoms | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:41 - Apr 30 with 3458 views | James1980 |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:14 - Apr 30 by D_Alien |
One of the original kingdoms |
Saxons name derived from the Seax which was a sword. They settled in the South. Angles not sure about the derivation settled in East Anglia, Mercia and Northumbria. The latter being divided into deira and bernicia. | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:55 - Apr 30 with 3436 views | D_Alien |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:41 - Apr 30 by James1980 |
Saxons name derived from the Seax which was a sword. They settled in the South. Angles not sure about the derivation settled in East Anglia, Mercia and Northumbria. The latter being divided into deira and bernicia. |
One of the joys of visiting different parts of the UK is to get a feel for the characteristics of the indigenous population, settled in the area over many centuries
The accents, the sense of humour, facial features, hair colour, even stature vary (across the swathe of the population) in each region
New analytical techniques can trace DNA back to which areas of mainland Europe the different populations arose from (if they did), and analysis of teeth allows fairly precise locating of where someone grew up through the content of soils and trace minerals in water
Those seven kingdoms still exist, in one sense. You can see it whilst journeying through them | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 22:02 - Apr 30 with 3431 views | James1980 |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:55 - Apr 30 by D_Alien |
One of the joys of visiting different parts of the UK is to get a feel for the characteristics of the indigenous population, settled in the area over many centuries
The accents, the sense of humour, facial features, hair colour, even stature vary (across the swathe of the population) in each region
New analytical techniques can trace DNA back to which areas of mainland Europe the different populations arose from (if they did), and analysis of teeth allows fairly precise locating of where someone grew up through the content of soils and trace minerals in water
Those seven kingdoms still exist, in one sense. You can see it whilst journeying through them |
I believe many are still related to our Celtic and pre Celtic ancestors.
The name of our island derives from Pretani meaning painted person. | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 10:01 - May 2 with 3037 views | wimborne_dale |
There's a book called The Anglo-Saxons by Marc Morris.
It casts doubt on the idea of a heptarchy, claiming that the seven kingdoms were seven of maybe a dozen or so.
It labels kingdoms at various times on an outline map but doesn't show clearly defined borders.
It is interesting how not all kingdoms were equal, with some effectively serving a satellites of others. |  |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 11:53 - May 2 with 2988 views | D_Alien |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 10:01 - May 2 by wimborne_dale |
There's a book called The Anglo-Saxons by Marc Morris.
It casts doubt on the idea of a heptarchy, claiming that the seven kingdoms were seven of maybe a dozen or so.
It labels kingdoms at various times on an outline map but doesn't show clearly defined borders.
It is interesting how not all kingdoms were equal, with some effectively serving a satellites of others. |
Sounds about right, with natural features such as hills/rivers serving as borders but not established as raiding parties sought to encroach each other's lands at various points
I still don't think any settlement around the Roch would've been definitively in one kingdom throughout the period, not least due to the Pennine moors which circle to the north whilst to the south the land falls away towards what's now Manchester/Cheshire. In earlier times, Rochdale was part of what was known as the Salford Hundred | |
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| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:34 - May 4 with 2746 views | JumeirahDale |
Not sure if this is what drove the OP, but The Last Kingdom on Netflix is a great watch - lots of poetic license, but also a huge amount of true stuff, references to real places (Leodus, Rumcofa etc.). Watching that while doing some genealogy research was fascinating. |  | | |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:43 - May 4 with 2736 views | deeplishblue |
| Which part of the heptarchy? NFR on 21:34 - May 4 by JumeirahDale |
Not sure if this is what drove the OP, but The Last Kingdom on Netflix is a great watch - lots of poetic license, but also a huge amount of true stuff, references to real places (Leodus, Rumcofa etc.). Watching that while doing some genealogy research was fascinating. |
The Last Kingdom is a great series. One of the best things I have watched in recent years. |  |
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