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What has happened to the Hong Kong billionaire (Peter Lim?) who was allegedly bank rolling them? Are the class of 92 running out of money or patience or both?
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Salford looking for investment...... on 14:37 - Feb 26 with 9139 views
Salford looking for investment...... on 14:26 - Feb 26 by BigKindo
What has happened to the Hong Kong billionaire (Peter Lim?) who was allegedly bank rolling them? Are the class of 92 running out of money or patience or both?
I think it's highly unlikely they're running out of money: Beckham alone could finance Salford using loose change
I suspect this will look a much more attractive investment "opportunity" than us, just through the Class of 92 connection
The question is, where are going to play if they reach the championship? Certainly not at Moor Lane. Even millionaires must get fed up of tipping money down a black hole.
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Salford looking for investment...... on 19:56 - Feb 26 with 8527 views
"Parry made it clear that without the guarantee of Premier League cash then the vast majority would not be sustainable and would not get a licence under the new proposals."
Some haven't had that road to Damascus moment yet but I'm sure it will come, hopefully without the financial failure of another club in the pyramid.
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
"Parry made it clear that without the guarantee of Premier League cash then the vast majority would not be sustainable and would not get a licence under the new proposals."
Some haven't had that road to Damascus moment yet but I'm sure it will come, hopefully without the financial failure of another club in the pyramid.
Who’s denying it isn’t?
And despite that, the rest of us also look to see where we can do better and admit where we fall short and try and do something about it.
"Parry made it clear that without the guarantee of Premier League cash then the vast majority would not be sustainable and would not get a licence under the new proposals."
Some haven't had that road to Damascus moment yet but I'm sure it will come, hopefully without the financial failure of another club in the pyramid.
The vast majority are at least as clear-eyed as you'd like to think you are about this whole situation
I see no benefit in making up one's mind up today about how to vote, but carry on with your attempts at railroading - it's becoming quite amusing
Salford looking for investment...... on 20:04 - Feb 26 by 442Dale
Who’s denying it isn’t?
And despite that, the rest of us also look to see where we can do better and admit where we fall short and try and do something about it.
The politicians who two years after the fan led review haven't started to properly legislate for a start meaning that effective legislation in the remainder of the current parliament is highly unlikely.
Local councils that don't support want to support their local clubs.
There's two easy ones for a start.
George Bernard Shaw had it right:
"He who can does; he who cannot, teaches."
https://www.visittheusa.co.uk/
Salford looking for investment...... on 20:10 - Feb 26 by RAFCBLUE
The politicians who two years after the fan led review haven't started to properly legislate for a start meaning that effective legislation in the remainder of the current parliament is highly unlikely.
Local councils that don't support want to support their local clubs.
The problems are structual. Too much money is being creamed off by too few clubs, the money from,the Premiership and EFL pays lip service to the much vaunted "Pyramid". The BBC and the rest of the media adds to the problem with Radio Bolton - types of coverage and its incoherent treatment of clubs and competitions, .
The tsunami of money into the top of the game is reduced to a miserly drip at the bottom end⁴, it hoovers up young players with irrational expectations and unimaginable salaries but wrangles new talent from clubs like ours and pays a pittance for the privilege, knowing we are in no position to turn them down.
Towns like Rochdale are pathetically unsupportive of competitive sport, hiving off their responsibilities to the likes of Link4Life whilst some primary schools dont have even a school yard big enough to play kickabout football or cricket and Firgrove and its ilk are little better now than they were 50 years ago, and they wonder why kids are obese and using drugs and not integrating. We have 1000s of kids playing football and volunteers pulling their tripes out to provide facilities, kit and a place to play.. Meanwhile ... There are 90 acres on the old Turners site that could have been turned into a huge artificial surface with multiple games played on it the land could become Rochdale's St Georges Park and Norwich's Nest combined with relatively small expense to solve the asbestos problem by simply covering it all in half a meter of clean soil and not disturbing what may be below. But no, we have a renovated town centre that has cost millions and is now effectively a concrete desert. Its not just football that is broken, the whole country is being short-changed into accepting worse than mediocre by a political uniparty that has no big ideas, or even small ones other than to keep increasing the size of the state and bleeding us dry in the process.
Its time for CEOs to sieze the EFL, NL and media by the throat and redesign football at every level below the Championship or Premiership 2 as it should be known. I would personally advocate for regionalisation , a central fund to rebuild and renovate stadia, and recognision,of the work that clubs undertake in their communities with commensuate financial support surely its better for kids to be active than the alternatives?, Meanwhile clubs scratch about for a couple of million quid with their every move controlled by faceless bureaucrats supported by a pernicious and wholley unfair voting and cash distribution system. Covid simply finished off their parsimonious supports for lower leagues. The money supplied by the Premiwership could have been split equally between all the EFL clubs, but oh no, the championship clubs received multi-millions L1 and L2 comparitively, got peanuts ... and that was what precipitated many of the problems that are now becoming evident.
There are now over 800 US colleges where it possible to major in "soccer" each with fabulous facilities that outstrip most league and non league clubs. Imagine some,of this in Rochdale....and ask yourself .. why are we so amateurish?
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Salford looking for investment...... on 08:56 - Mar 11 with 7279 views
And that's in this league with massive crowds. God help them in seasons to come. No sympathy. I shudder to think of their wage bill with the likes of Will Grigg on the books.
“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooledâ€
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Salford looking for investment...... on 10:16 - Mar 11 with 7023 views
Salford looking for investment...... on 21:27 - Feb 26 by 49thseason
The problems are structual. Too much money is being creamed off by too few clubs, the money from,the Premiership and EFL pays lip service to the much vaunted "Pyramid". The BBC and the rest of the media adds to the problem with Radio Bolton - types of coverage and its incoherent treatment of clubs and competitions, .
The tsunami of money into the top of the game is reduced to a miserly drip at the bottom end⁴, it hoovers up young players with irrational expectations and unimaginable salaries but wrangles new talent from clubs like ours and pays a pittance for the privilege, knowing we are in no position to turn them down.
Towns like Rochdale are pathetically unsupportive of competitive sport, hiving off their responsibilities to the likes of Link4Life whilst some primary schools dont have even a school yard big enough to play kickabout football or cricket and Firgrove and its ilk are little better now than they were 50 years ago, and they wonder why kids are obese and using drugs and not integrating. We have 1000s of kids playing football and volunteers pulling their tripes out to provide facilities, kit and a place to play.. Meanwhile ... There are 90 acres on the old Turners site that could have been turned into a huge artificial surface with multiple games played on it the land could become Rochdale's St Georges Park and Norwich's Nest combined with relatively small expense to solve the asbestos problem by simply covering it all in half a meter of clean soil and not disturbing what may be below. But no, we have a renovated town centre that has cost millions and is now effectively a concrete desert. Its not just football that is broken, the whole country is being short-changed into accepting worse than mediocre by a political uniparty that has no big ideas, or even small ones other than to keep increasing the size of the state and bleeding us dry in the process.
Its time for CEOs to sieze the EFL, NL and media by the throat and redesign football at every level below the Championship or Premiership 2 as it should be known. I would personally advocate for regionalisation , a central fund to rebuild and renovate stadia, and recognision,of the work that clubs undertake in their communities with commensuate financial support surely its better for kids to be active than the alternatives?, Meanwhile clubs scratch about for a couple of million quid with their every move controlled by faceless bureaucrats supported by a pernicious and wholley unfair voting and cash distribution system. Covid simply finished off their parsimonious supports for lower leagues. The money supplied by the Premiwership could have been split equally between all the EFL clubs, but oh no, the championship clubs received multi-millions L1 and L2 comparitively, got peanuts ... and that was what precipitated many of the problems that are now becoming evident.
There are now over 800 US colleges where it possible to major in "soccer" each with fabulous facilities that outstrip most league and non league clubs. Imagine some,of this in Rochdale....and ask yourself .. why are we so amateurish?
Salford looking for investment...... on 21:27 - Feb 26 by 49thseason
The problems are structual. Too much money is being creamed off by too few clubs, the money from,the Premiership and EFL pays lip service to the much vaunted "Pyramid". The BBC and the rest of the media adds to the problem with Radio Bolton - types of coverage and its incoherent treatment of clubs and competitions, .
The tsunami of money into the top of the game is reduced to a miserly drip at the bottom end⁴, it hoovers up young players with irrational expectations and unimaginable salaries but wrangles new talent from clubs like ours and pays a pittance for the privilege, knowing we are in no position to turn them down.
Towns like Rochdale are pathetically unsupportive of competitive sport, hiving off their responsibilities to the likes of Link4Life whilst some primary schools dont have even a school yard big enough to play kickabout football or cricket and Firgrove and its ilk are little better now than they were 50 years ago, and they wonder why kids are obese and using drugs and not integrating. We have 1000s of kids playing football and volunteers pulling their tripes out to provide facilities, kit and a place to play.. Meanwhile ... There are 90 acres on the old Turners site that could have been turned into a huge artificial surface with multiple games played on it the land could become Rochdale's St Georges Park and Norwich's Nest combined with relatively small expense to solve the asbestos problem by simply covering it all in half a meter of clean soil and not disturbing what may be below. But no, we have a renovated town centre that has cost millions and is now effectively a concrete desert. Its not just football that is broken, the whole country is being short-changed into accepting worse than mediocre by a political uniparty that has no big ideas, or even small ones other than to keep increasing the size of the state and bleeding us dry in the process.
Its time for CEOs to sieze the EFL, NL and media by the throat and redesign football at every level below the Championship or Premiership 2 as it should be known. I would personally advocate for regionalisation , a central fund to rebuild and renovate stadia, and recognision,of the work that clubs undertake in their communities with commensuate financial support surely its better for kids to be active than the alternatives?, Meanwhile clubs scratch about for a couple of million quid with their every move controlled by faceless bureaucrats supported by a pernicious and wholley unfair voting and cash distribution system. Covid simply finished off their parsimonious supports for lower leagues. The money supplied by the Premiwership could have been split equally between all the EFL clubs, but oh no, the championship clubs received multi-millions L1 and L2 comparitively, got peanuts ... and that was what precipitated many of the problems that are now becoming evident.
There are now over 800 US colleges where it possible to major in "soccer" each with fabulous facilities that outstrip most league and non league clubs. Imagine some,of this in Rochdale....and ask yourself .. why are we so amateurish?
[Post edited 11 Mar 15:27]
I agree with you regarding the drip-feed at the lower levels. I do think that gambling money could be better allocated too. Attracting people back through the gates - in meaningful numbers - is what brings sustainability. In my view the stadium has to become a social hub and maybe a new approach from American owners will include this.
I suspect that remediation of the T&N Site could be a very costly business. Close to 100 acres + the surrounding foliage is a big area and probably only recoverable by the building and sale of upwards of a 1000 dwellings. I do suspect though that the T&N site has not gone un-noticed by the second of the interested parties. If the T&N site could be cost effectively remediated then a relocation of Spotland could well be on the horizon and it may well be why the Golden Share offer specifically ignores the safeguards on the stadium. To do this is a big money project though - no doubt about it.
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Salford looking for investment...... on 13:18 - Mar 11 with 6530 views
Salford looking for investment...... on 12:09 - Mar 11 by Rehsad
I agree with you regarding the drip-feed at the lower levels. I do think that gambling money could be better allocated too. Attracting people back through the gates - in meaningful numbers - is what brings sustainability. In my view the stadium has to become a social hub and maybe a new approach from American owners will include this.
I suspect that remediation of the T&N Site could be a very costly business. Close to 100 acres + the surrounding foliage is a big area and probably only recoverable by the building and sale of upwards of a 1000 dwellings. I do suspect though that the T&N site has not gone un-noticed by the second of the interested parties. If the T&N site could be cost effectively remediated then a relocation of Spotland could well be on the horizon and it may well be why the Golden Share offer specifically ignores the safeguards on the stadium. To do this is a big money project though - no doubt about it.
The Turners site is owned by ESG trading , a company that specialises in , amongst other things remediating contaminated sites... or did.. Their accounts are currently overdue... and it looks as though their website is down. However, last time I checked, probably over 12 months ago, their website reckoned they could remediate an asbestos contaminated area for around £200k per acre. Even if we assumed that it might now be £300k per acre, 5 acres would only cost £1.5m to remediate and on 5 acres you would easily build a new stadium with a huge car park and have a couple of 4g pitches as well, indeed you could have 10 acres remediated for less than the perceived value of the COA....and have the training facility next to the club too. If ever there were a project for levelling up money.... its hard to think of a better one.... would RMBC support such a venture?, Who knows but the benefits would be huge, no more noise and aggravation for residents, the solution to a festering polluted land problem, new facilities for the club, reasonably distant from houses with the opportunity for concerts in a specially designed stadium, useable by Hornets too?
What's not to like?
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Salford looking for investment...... on 14:44 - Mar 11 with 6371 views
Salford looking for investment...... on 13:18 - Mar 11 by 49thseason
The Turners site is owned by ESG trading , a company that specialises in , amongst other things remediating contaminated sites... or did.. Their accounts are currently overdue... and it looks as though their website is down. However, last time I checked, probably over 12 months ago, their website reckoned they could remediate an asbestos contaminated area for around £200k per acre. Even if we assumed that it might now be £300k per acre, 5 acres would only cost £1.5m to remediate and on 5 acres you would easily build a new stadium with a huge car park and have a couple of 4g pitches as well, indeed you could have 10 acres remediated for less than the perceived value of the COA....and have the training facility next to the club too. If ever there were a project for levelling up money.... its hard to think of a better one.... would RMBC support such a venture?, Who knows but the benefits would be huge, no more noise and aggravation for residents, the solution to a festering polluted land problem, new facilities for the club, reasonably distant from houses with the opportunity for concerts in a specially designed stadium, useable by Hornets too?
What's not to like?
I'd also done the same research, as I knew that it had changed hands a few times but was unsure of who the current owners were. To me, the problem is the remediation of the rest of the site - and it's huge -but I do think that it is possible and yes, I do think that it is a project made for the levelling up initiative. If I was building a bid for RAFC it would be one of the options that I'd be working with. As soon as I saw the background of Mr Corrado I thought of the T&N site. In fact, if you look at the background of the Texan then his previous company builds out of town sports and hubs were social gatherings take place (I was thinking M62 corridor then though - which I feel is too far from the spiritual home). It wouldn't be cheap (but it could also be a long term payback project), it would have to be sensitive development and it would have to include plans of how to deal with the halo of currently contaminated land that would surround the stadium - but could it be worked up to secure investment? Yes, I think so.
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