| Congratulations 09:28 - Jan 5 with 2594 views | MattFinish |
I don’t visit this site very often any more. There’s some decent people on here but there’s also some utter tools. But I just wanted to say congratulations to the boo boys and bed wetters. You finally got Hasenhuttl the sack and now we have Nathan Jones.
What did you expect? We’d sack Hasenhuttl appoint someone else and start winning games with this squad? Get real.
What are your expectations for the club? We’ve had chronic underinvestment with Gao and Sports Republic seem to be not much better.
Personally, I’m happy with mid table finish, not being in a relegation battle each season and a good cup run every now and again.
And before Butthead 101 points out to me that we didn’t finish mid table because mid table is 10th or 11th I mean mid table points wise.
So which manager is capable of delivering that with this squad? Well, we’ve just sacked him.
For four seasons we were never in a relegation fight, we topped the Premier League for the first time in 32 years, we got to the semi final and quarter final of the cup and we were only in the relegation zone for a total of four weeks. This was all achieved with average players and kids. Yeah, there were the two 9-0 defeats but we always bounced back. With the investment we’ve had we should have been relegated before now.
It’s been clear from when Hasenhuttl was appointed that the squad was inadequate but somehow he got results with the players he had. It was clear we needed a decent striker alongside Ings but we got Che Adams who has to be on par with Carrillo although at least Carrillo gave a sh1t. Then Ings went and we replaced him with Nathan Jones’s twin Adam Armstrong. So for the best part of 2 seasons our main strikers have scored a combined league total of 14 goals in 87 appearances yet Hasenhuttl still kept us up. He made it clear he wanted strikers in the summer window and Armstrong and Adams were on their way but he got no-one.
We needed to strengthen this season. We needed a decent centre back, some pace in midfield and on the wing, 2 quality strikers and a decent goal keeper. We got kids. Bella-Kotchap started well but is showing his inexperience, Bazunu is not good enough, Lavia is off, Edozie and Larios are ones for the future. Yet still if we’d had a decent striker instead of Adams we wouldn’t be in this mess. Look at the howlers Adams has missed this season that would have turned defeats into wins or draws.
Yet the same boo boys and bed wetters who hounded Fraser Forster out of the club to Celtic and slagged Koeman off for buying a donkey like Pelle have got their way.
Congratulations lads.
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| Congratulations on 09:30 - Jan 5 with 2060 views | dwayne_dibley |
totally agree!!! |  |
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| Congratulations on 09:31 - Jan 5 with 2054 views | saint22 |
Some very good points
That said we could have appointed Dyche and we would be much better off [Post edited 5 Jan 2023 9:32]
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| Congratulations on 09:43 - Jan 5 with 2006 views | obelisk |
You really think that people posting here got Ralph the sack? He got himself the sack after pretty much the worst team performance across the whole of 2022. He should have gone in the summer.
Now, if you're asking whether the people in charge at Saints made the right subsequent appointment I think we can safely say that the gamble has not paid off. None of that was down to people posting on here. | | | |
| Congratulations on 09:57 - Jan 5 with 1957 views | MattFinish |
| Congratulations on 09:31 - Jan 5 by saint22 |
Some very good points
That said we could have appointed Dyche and we would be much better off [Post edited 5 Jan 2023 9:32]
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I obviously didn't want Hasenhuttl sacked but Dyche was probably the best option as replacement however anyone appointed will struggle with our forwards
The defence come in for a lot of criticism but you can't defend for 95+ minutes when you're strikers are incapable of scoring or even holding the ball up. The pressure on the defence to keep a clean sheet will tell | | | |
| Congratulations on 09:59 - Jan 5 with 1953 views | MattFinish |
| Congratulations on 09:43 - Jan 5 by obelisk |
You really think that people posting here got Ralph the sack? He got himself the sack after pretty much the worst team performance across the whole of 2022. He should have gone in the summer.
Now, if you're asking whether the people in charge at Saints made the right subsequent appointment I think we can safely say that the gamble has not paid off. None of that was down to people posting on here. |
Sit down, take a minute and read my post again and tell me where I said people posting on this site got Hasenhuttl the sack
I'm assuming some of the people on this site who criticised Hasenhuttl actually attend matches [Post edited 5 Jan 2023 10:00]
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| Congratulations on 10:00 - Jan 5 with 1943 views | Bison |
The fans got Ralph sacked 100% , maybe not just the ones on here but across the fanbase it spread. Saying well it wasnt the TUI is just a cop out for acting like a needy entitled child. Perhaps Ralph achieved the high water mark for this bunch of players and was not the problem , our current situation points strongly at that. |  |
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| Congratulations on 10:03 - Jan 5 with 1916 views | SonicBoom |
If you think RH would be better then you obviously haven't been paying attention.
Ralph had lost his way. Many people - not just "bedwetters" - could see that the football we were playing wasn't good enough. Endless sideways and backwards passing made the stats look ok but we rarely had any penetration.
And let's face it, Ralph got the sack because we weren't doing well enough simple as that. If his methods were still working he would still be here. That has nothing to do with Jones.
You can see it in his interviews, Ralph was done. Every manager has a shelf life in each job and Ralph had reached the end of his.
Sure he got some decent results - lots of Saints managers have done that over the years. But he was also in charge of utter catastrophes and was given more time here than he would have got anywhere else. This season we looked like we were going down under him, so he had to go.
The issue is what we did next. Our policy recently seems to be buying young players for 10 to 15 mill and that is coming home to roost. They are not physically ready to play at this intensity every week. Add to that the more experienced players simply don't deliver. We miss many of the chances we make and you simply can't do that. Che Adams dear me - he will get many managers the sack. He's good enough to get in the side but I've lost count of the number of points he's cost us.
I like to give anyone a chance but what we needed after Ralph was an experienced hand on the tiller to steady the ship and keep us up this year. Not a lower league manager with no real track record of success. His football appears to be from the 80's and I really think that we are doomed this year under him.
There has been a few bright sparks. I enjoyed watching Edozie, Lavia, ABK, and Larios and there is some real talent there. But we can't rely on those kids when we are in a relegation scrap. Too many of the more senior players have been useless. Adams, Diallo, Djenepo, both Armstrongs, Aribo to name but a few have delivered nothing. There are many calls for Stuart Armstrong to be in the starting lineup - so why isn't he. Rumour has it he's one of those classic players that only wants to play when they are perfectly 100% fit. No player is ever that.
He seems to have talent but Ralph never relied on him and Jones appears the same. That's on the player.
Overall I don't know if the new owners think they have some midas touch and can do everything better than everyone else for a quarter of the price, but the lack of real investment is coming home to roost. Don't forget our Eastern European owner is supposed to be worth several billion yet we haven't seen much of that. As things stand we are definitely getting relegated.
The Jones appointment looks like a mistake. We have not seen any improvement, and not even a new manager bounce. The style seems antiquated and will not work at PL level.
So it's down to the owners now. Will they act decisively? They have the chance to bring in players right now and change the manager. That could save us as there is still a long way to go.
Getting rid of Ralph was entirely the correct decision - he wasn't hounded out by the fans. His time was over. My choice was Dyche. He worked miracles keeping Burnley up and I'd like to see what he could do with a little more resource. He had to play a certain way there, doesn't mean he doesn't know any other way.
In summary we need to bring in probably three of four players who can go straight into the team and we need a goalscorer. We cannot keep missing from 2 yards out.
And we may well need a manager but I think the board will stick with him. Without new players quickly and a change of playing style we are pretty much done.
But which players want to join a club at the bottom of the league? |  | | |
| Congratulations on 10:04 - Jan 5 with 1908 views | obelisk |
| Congratulations on 09:59 - Jan 5 by MattFinish |
Sit down, take a minute and read my post again and tell me where I said people posting on this site got Hasenhuttl the sack
I'm assuming some of the people on this site who criticised Hasenhuttl actually attend matches [Post edited 5 Jan 2023 10:00]
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"There’s some decent people on here but there’s also some utter tools. But I just wanted to say congratulations to the boo boys and bed wetters.".
I took it that you were referring to the utter tools "on here". | | | |
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| Congratulations on 10:08 - Jan 5 with 1891 views | MattFinish |
| Congratulations on 10:04 - Jan 5 by obelisk |
"There’s some decent people on here but there’s also some utter tools. But I just wanted to say congratulations to the boo boys and bed wetters.".
I took it that you were referring to the utter tools "on here". |
So from that how do you get I'm blaming them for getting Hasenhuttl the sack. I'm talking about the bigger picture of people on here and at games not realising that Hasenhuttl vastly over achieved with what he had
So I'm assuming you think he should have done better, So what, top 6 or 8 and a cup final or cup win? | | | |
| Congratulations on 10:12 - Jan 5 with 1870 views | MattFinish |
| Congratulations on 10:03 - Jan 5 by SonicBoom |
If you think RH would be better then you obviously haven't been paying attention.
Ralph had lost his way. Many people - not just "bedwetters" - could see that the football we were playing wasn't good enough. Endless sideways and backwards passing made the stats look ok but we rarely had any penetration.
And let's face it, Ralph got the sack because we weren't doing well enough simple as that. If his methods were still working he would still be here. That has nothing to do with Jones.
You can see it in his interviews, Ralph was done. Every manager has a shelf life in each job and Ralph had reached the end of his.
Sure he got some decent results - lots of Saints managers have done that over the years. But he was also in charge of utter catastrophes and was given more time here than he would have got anywhere else. This season we looked like we were going down under him, so he had to go.
The issue is what we did next. Our policy recently seems to be buying young players for 10 to 15 mill and that is coming home to roost. They are not physically ready to play at this intensity every week. Add to that the more experienced players simply don't deliver. We miss many of the chances we make and you simply can't do that. Che Adams dear me - he will get many managers the sack. He's good enough to get in the side but I've lost count of the number of points he's cost us.
I like to give anyone a chance but what we needed after Ralph was an experienced hand on the tiller to steady the ship and keep us up this year. Not a lower league manager with no real track record of success. His football appears to be from the 80's and I really think that we are doomed this year under him.
There has been a few bright sparks. I enjoyed watching Edozie, Lavia, ABK, and Larios and there is some real talent there. But we can't rely on those kids when we are in a relegation scrap. Too many of the more senior players have been useless. Adams, Diallo, Djenepo, both Armstrongs, Aribo to name but a few have delivered nothing. There are many calls for Stuart Armstrong to be in the starting lineup - so why isn't he. Rumour has it he's one of those classic players that only wants to play when they are perfectly 100% fit. No player is ever that.
He seems to have talent but Ralph never relied on him and Jones appears the same. That's on the player.
Overall I don't know if the new owners think they have some midas touch and can do everything better than everyone else for a quarter of the price, but the lack of real investment is coming home to roost. Don't forget our Eastern European owner is supposed to be worth several billion yet we haven't seen much of that. As things stand we are definitely getting relegated.
The Jones appointment looks like a mistake. We have not seen any improvement, and not even a new manager bounce. The style seems antiquated and will not work at PL level.
So it's down to the owners now. Will they act decisively? They have the chance to bring in players right now and change the manager. That could save us as there is still a long way to go.
Getting rid of Ralph was entirely the correct decision - he wasn't hounded out by the fans. His time was over. My choice was Dyche. He worked miracles keeping Burnley up and I'd like to see what he could do with a little more resource. He had to play a certain way there, doesn't mean he doesn't know any other way.
In summary we need to bring in probably three of four players who can go straight into the team and we need a goalscorer. We cannot keep missing from 2 yards out.
And we may well need a manager but I think the board will stick with him. Without new players quickly and a change of playing style we are pretty much done.
But which players want to join a club at the bottom of the league? |
So with the squad he had and particularly the strikers he had we should have been playing much better football and achieving more ?
So should we have been achieving above mid table and getting to a cup final with one of the worst funded squads in the PL. I think you need to pay attention | | | |
| Congratulations on 10:13 - Jan 5 with 1866 views | obelisk |
Ralph's performance over the last year has been abysmal. What is it? 90th out of 92 across all leagues? His time was up. Simple as that. I really can't see what there is to defend. | | | |
| Congratulations on 10:59 - Jan 5 with 1732 views | SonicBoom |
| Congratulations on 10:12 - Jan 5 by MattFinish |
So with the squad he had and particularly the strikers he had we should have been playing much better football and achieving more ?
So should we have been achieving above mid table and getting to a cup final with one of the worst funded squads in the PL. I think you need to pay attention |
Nope I never said that did I. I certainly never mentioned where I believed we should be in the league.
Under Ralph we were on the slide. He seemed unable to arrest it. As Obelisk said our record for 2022 was pretty much the worst in the country. He had to go.
And I'd willing accept anywhere from 10th to 15th, but under Ralph we looked lost. The big mistake is what we did to fix it. | | | |
| Congratulations on 11:47 - Jan 5 with 1639 views | MytchettSaint |
| Congratulations on 10:12 - Jan 5 by MattFinish |
So with the squad he had and particularly the strikers he had we should have been playing much better football and achieving more ?
So should we have been achieving above mid table and getting to a cup final with one of the worst funded squads in the PL. I think you need to pay attention |
What cup final did he get us in? |  |
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| Congratulations on 11:57 - Jan 5 with 1604 views | stmichael |
To be fair his record in his last 30 games was pathetic and he is on record as saying he was going to leave at the end of this season anyway.
But I agree you only make a change if you have someone better.
If we had bought a striker OR if Che could hit a cows arse with a banjo he would still be in the dug out - neither appear to be Ralphs fault. | |
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| Congratulations on 11:59 - Jan 5 with 1596 views | stmichael |
His record in his last 30 games got him the sack.
Practically the worst points tally in all 4 divisions.
of course fans are going to be unhappy with that FFS | |
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| Congratulations on 12:04 - Jan 5 with 1586 views | MattFinish |
| Congratulations on 10:59 - Jan 5 by SonicBoom |
Nope I never said that did I. I certainly never mentioned where I believed we should be in the league.
Under Ralph we were on the slide. He seemed unable to arrest it. As Obelisk said our record for 2022 was pretty much the worst in the country. He had to go.
And I'd willing accept anywhere from 10th to 15th, but under Ralph we looked lost. The big mistake is what we did to fix it. |
I didn’t say you did I'm asking you what you think Hasenhuttl should have been achieving bearing in mind you pointed out the failings of the squad and transfer policy in your thread.
He achieved mid table security a couple of good cup runs and was rarely in the bottom three. So I'm simply asking the question are you saying he should have achieved better.
Why do you think the ball was played square so often? Because if you played it up to Adams or Armstrong you just handed possession over. There was no movement and the strikers didn’t hold the ball up because they aren’t good enough. Ralph publicly said he needed strikers and he got Mara, a young striker with an appalling goal record in France so how the hell was he the answer?
I agree he did look spent but that was entirely down to the lack of squad investment and the pressure from the boo boys. FFS he got booed for winning away at Bournemouth. You just simply can't keep pulling out performances with a poor squad.
And people criticised him because performances dropped towards the end of the season without considering why. It was because we had no strength in depth so at the end of the season when players were injured, tired through playing too many games or suspended we had to bring in youth team players.
And as for the record stat what do you expect with strikers who aren’t good enough to score easy chances. We lost a lot of games by a single goal and a decent striker would have turned those games into wins. Look at Adams away at Wolves for example — can’t head the ball in from 6 inches under no pressure then misses a sitter one on one. Then Bazunu lets an easy shot in that any other PL or EFLC keeper would have saved. That’s 3 points dropped and there were other games when Adams missed sitters, like last night one on one with the keeper and he couldn’t even hit the target from 5 yards
Lets face it you could put Guardiola or Klopp in charge of this team and they’d do no better than Hasenhuttl | | | |
| Congratulations on 13:01 - Jan 5 with 1511 views | SonicBoom |
So do you extend the same to Jones then as Adams is still missing sitters and Bazanu is still letting in soft shots?
I agree that the strikers aren't good enough. Armstrong has been frankly useless since he arrived and delivered nothing. Adams as I said will get any manager the sack.
you might be right on why we passed sideways but also think Ralph coaches the individuality out of players. Djenepo looked exciting when he arrived. Ralph coached him into being what? A disciplined wing back? I'm not sure exactly what but he looks a shadow of the promise. Personally I think Ralph put the players under so much pressure not to lose the ball , they end up not wanting to be the one that risked a pass that might create something. So we end up with 100 safe passes in a row going nowhere. | | | |
| Congratulations on 14:42 - Jan 5 with 1397 views | Ifonly |
| Congratulations on 13:01 - Jan 5 by SonicBoom |
So do you extend the same to Jones then as Adams is still missing sitters and Bazanu is still letting in soft shots?
I agree that the strikers aren't good enough. Armstrong has been frankly useless since he arrived and delivered nothing. Adams as I said will get any manager the sack.
you might be right on why we passed sideways but also think Ralph coaches the individuality out of players. Djenepo looked exciting when he arrived. Ralph coached him into being what? A disciplined wing back? I'm not sure exactly what but he looks a shadow of the promise. Personally I think Ralph put the players under so much pressure not to lose the ball , they end up not wanting to be the one that risked a pass that might create something. So we end up with 100 safe passes in a row going nowhere. |
You're right. That's exactly what did happen. We had an "obsession with possession" and didn't create nearly enough chances. The critics are right to point out the chances missed by Che, but at the same time we didn't create enough clear cut chances, so the pressure was growing to make every chance count. The very best strikers can deal with the pressure, but if we wanted the very best we would have to pay the very most - and we wont.
Che would look a lot better in a decent team. That's why Leeds wanted to sign him in the summer. The bigger problem is that the whole thing has been on his shoulders. Where are the other strikers who should be sharing the load?
On Ralph I also agree with you - he had reached the end of the road. We were second from bottom for good reason. That combination of RH and a poor quality team he had fallen out with was going to get us relegated anyway. | | | |
| Congratulations on 15:19 - Jan 5 with 1356 views | Ron11 |
| Congratulations on 10:59 - Jan 5 by SonicBoom |
Nope I never said that did I. I certainly never mentioned where I believed we should be in the league.
Under Ralph we were on the slide. He seemed unable to arrest it. As Obelisk said our record for 2022 was pretty much the worst in the country. He had to go.
And I'd willing accept anywhere from 10th to 15th, but under Ralph we looked lost. The big mistake is what we did to fix it. |
There lies the correct answer.
They didn't fix it. They made it worse.
Look at Brighton. They weren't even particularly on the slide after losing their manager, but they still brought in a replacement that actually knows what he's doing and has some positive experience.
And doesn't look like a fu ckin drug dealer. | | | |
| Congratulations on 17:55 - Jan 5 with 1213 views | Poirot |
I expected Hasenhuttl to be 'finally' sacked last summer and then we could have had a fairly open list of replacements employed or not. But we got rid of all the coaches instead and kept him !
I wasnt then expecting the club to overload on young players and just expect them to jump out the blocks.
So all complaints lead to the boardroom and why they didnt act last summer and so drag the process out into a season when nobody of merit would be interested. [Post edited 5 Jan 2023 17:58]
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| Congratulations on 17:58 - Jan 5 with 1195 views | Southamptonfan |
| Congratulations on 15:19 - Jan 5 by Ron11 |
There lies the correct answer.
They didn't fix it. They made it worse.
Look at Brighton. They weren't even particularly on the slide after losing their manager, but they still brought in a replacement that actually knows what he's doing and has some positive experience.
And doesn't look like a fu ckin drug dealer. |
Brighton have some really good players, including one player who plays for the team that won the world cup. It's easy for a manager to put great players on the pitch who then win games. Really good players win you games regardless.
Ralph did look spent, but wouldn't you, after Adams misses from 3 yards for the millionth time? You ask for new striker and all you get given is Mara? [Post edited 5 Jan 2023 18:05]
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| Congratulations on 18:03 - Jan 5 with 1175 views | Southamptonfan |
I agree with you completely Matt. Ralph lost his way, yes he did, but they all do. That's because it's bloody hard trying to win games with really poor players who can't defend and who keep missing sitters. Of course Ralph got fed up of trying to win with players are simply not up to winning games in the PL. Now we have a worse manager, the poor quality of the team really shows. | |
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| Congratulations on 20:20 - Jan 5 with 1046 views | Hollywood56 |
I can't believe it! This is probably the most sensible post that I've ever read on this forum FACT, Well said mate. Bring back RH if he'd come back, but I very much doubt it, we will stick with the cheap inadequate welsh donkey and go to the championship were we belong with this squad, so bye bye JWP thanks for everything good luck for the future, we won't be back in the premier league anytime soon. | | | |
| Congratulations on 20:30 - Jan 5 with 1031 views | cocklebreath |
WALOB. |  |
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| Congratulations on 20:51 - Jan 5 with 996 views | SonicBoom |
| Congratulations on 20:20 - Jan 5 by Hollywood56 |
I can't believe it! This is probably the most sensible post that I've ever read on this forum FACT, Well said mate. Bring back RH if he'd come back, but I very much doubt it, we will stick with the cheap inadequate welsh donkey and go to the championship were we belong with this squad, so bye bye JWP thanks for everything good luck for the future, we won't be back in the premier league anytime soon. |
It was a sensible thread til u said they should get Ralph back.... | | | |
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