| VAR again 07:40 - Sep 6 with 1489 views | saint22 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66724505
This to me underlines the issue here
its all "mate mate mate"
You are professionals at work not mates in the pub, they are all too pally and as Dean proved wont go against a mate if that mates gonna be in trouble
It needs an overhaul and a revamp and rehires |  | | |  |
| VAR again on 08:35 - Sep 6 with 1440 views | PatfromPoole |
It pains me to see that the celebrity status of Mike Dean is continuing with his employment by SKY Sports.
I couldn’t believe when I was out in Qatar for the World Cup that he was a regular on Bein Sports with those dinosaurs Keys and Gray. |  |
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| VAR again on 16:15 - Sep 6 with 1289 views | LondonSaint76 |
| VAR again on 08:35 - Sep 6 by PatfromPoole |
It pains me to see that the celebrity status of Mike Dean is continuing with his employment by SKY Sports.
I couldn’t believe when I was out in Qatar for the World Cup that he was a regular on Bein Sports with those dinosaurs Keys and Gray. |
Don’t get me started on Dean and his ilk; sadly this obnoxious man is a prime example of a modern breed of match official that is no longer satisfied with doing the job required of them efficiently and quietly whilst remaining where they belong, in the background, out of the limelight. His breed, and there are an increasing number of them, crave the publicity and the limelight. They love being centre stage post match, never happier than when the main topic of discussion is yet more controversy over their decision making. Take VAR for example, there is absolutely NO need for games to be held up whilst they get their pathetic laser lines out to judge offside by a toenail - laws still state level is inside so what do they do when 99.975% of the player is level? get out the laser lines of course - morons.
Go back 25/30 years to the likes of Ray Lewis from Gt Bookham (what a fantastic place to live if you are a top class ref!) he was not only a brilliant ref but never courted or craved publicity or had any yearning to be a celebrity, just did his job, normally very well, and stayed in the background. End of….
Personally I couldn’t give a flying asterisk what Dean has to say about anything, just skip it if it’s reading matter or mute it if it’s on the telly. |  | | |
| VAR again on 17:05 - Sep 6 with 1260 views | SFC_Referee |
It’s hardly like mate means much, like it’s what most refs say ti players when talking to them about things. As I say “wait for the whistle mate”, “mate you need to watch the….” and is quite a common term used for anyone who’s actually played or been that involved in football. Yet the media and many like yourself are acting like saying mate, makes someone your best pal or something.
As I’ve had many decent level games and even the players say mate, when telling others who to mark, to get back etc… yet not all the 11 players on every team will get on.
As the refs for a game are teammates, no different to the players, so what’s the big deal with refs saying “mate” just the same as players do? As in the footballing world it means bugger all |  |
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| VAR again on 17:09 - Sep 6 with 1256 views | SFC_Referee |
| VAR again on 16:15 - Sep 6 by LondonSaint76 |
Don’t get me started on Dean and his ilk; sadly this obnoxious man is a prime example of a modern breed of match official that is no longer satisfied with doing the job required of them efficiently and quietly whilst remaining where they belong, in the background, out of the limelight. His breed, and there are an increasing number of them, crave the publicity and the limelight. They love being centre stage post match, never happier than when the main topic of discussion is yet more controversy over their decision making. Take VAR for example, there is absolutely NO need for games to be held up whilst they get their pathetic laser lines out to judge offside by a toenail - laws still state level is inside so what do they do when 99.975% of the player is level? get out the laser lines of course - morons.
Go back 25/30 years to the likes of Ray Lewis from Gt Bookham (what a fantastic place to live if you are a top class ref!) he was not only a brilliant ref but never courted or craved publicity or had any yearning to be a celebrity, just did his job, normally very well, and stayed in the background. End of….
Personally I couldn’t give a flying asterisk what Dean has to say about anything, just skip it if it’s reading matter or mute it if it’s on the telly. |
So what are everyone that uses and agreed with goal line tech “morons” as well then? As there’s basically no difference whatsoever between the two for whether or not a players in an offside position or not.
Although with Dean most refs even agree that he’s not helped one bit, and has lost a lot of respect from the referee community for what he’s done, which the likes of Webb’s having to clean up with the likes of yesterdays interview | |
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| VAR again on 09:17 - Sep 7 with 1086 views | saint22 |
| VAR again on 17:05 - Sep 6 by SFC_Referee |
It’s hardly like mate means much, like it’s what most refs say ti players when talking to them about things. As I say “wait for the whistle mate”, “mate you need to watch the….” and is quite a common term used for anyone who’s actually played or been that involved in football. Yet the media and many like yourself are acting like saying mate, makes someone your best pal or something.
As I’ve had many decent level games and even the players say mate, when telling others who to mark, to get back etc… yet not all the 11 players on every team will get on.
As the refs for a game are teammates, no different to the players, so what’s the big deal with refs saying “mate” just the same as players do? As in the footballing world it means bugger all |
Its professionalism
I dont call anyone in my work environment mate and they shouldn't either
They should create a respect around them and the casual use of that term erodes that
Plus its a clique and shows exactly the issue as illustrated by Deans comments
Mates look after each other as they say
Some could say "sfcreferee" is doing that too | | | |
| VAR again on 10:49 - Sep 7 with 1072 views | SFC_Referee |
| VAR again on 09:17 - Sep 7 by saint22 |
Its professionalism
I dont call anyone in my work environment mate and they shouldn't either
They should create a respect around them and the casual use of that term erodes that
Plus its a clique and shows exactly the issue as illustrated by Deans comments
Mates look after each other as they say
Some could say "sfcreferee" is doing that too |
Ok and what’s not professional around simply saying “mate” rather than teammate, a number, their name or some other term to describe them?…
As players say it all the time to one another (both teammates and opposition) yet I’ve never seen any issues eased with that, so again what’s the issue with officials saying it to one another, especially with them being a team for those 90 minutes to every game | |
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| VAR again on 11:16 - Sep 7 with 1064 views | DorsetIan |
| VAR again on 17:09 - Sep 6 by SFC_Referee |
So what are everyone that uses and agreed with goal line tech “morons” as well then? As there’s basically no difference whatsoever between the two for whether or not a players in an offside position or not.
Although with Dean most refs even agree that he’s not helped one bit, and has lost a lot of respect from the referee community for what he’s done, which the likes of Webb’s having to clean up with the likes of yesterdays interview |
Comparing goal technology to the VAR offside system is ridiculous.
Goal line tech works automatically and is black or white about whether the ball has crossed the line.
VAR offside relies on a tedious time consuming line drawing by a human AND it makes no attempt to assess whether a player is ‘level’ - in the well understood meaning of that for offside - and so has fundamentally changed the game, in favour the defenders.
VAR offside is simply not fit for purpose. | |
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| VAR again on 12:22 - Sep 7 with 1042 views | saint22 |
| VAR again on 10:49 - Sep 7 by SFC_Referee |
Ok and what’s not professional around simply saying “mate” rather than teammate, a number, their name or some other term to describe them?…
As players say it all the time to one another (both teammates and opposition) yet I’ve never seen any issues eased with that, so again what’s the issue with officials saying it to one another, especially with them being a team for those 90 minutes to every game |
They are supposed to be professional with authority
Calling each other mate is playground stuff
Once again as per Mike Dean and his arrogant attitude | | | |
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| VAR again on 16:31 - Sep 7 with 999 views | SFC_Referee |
| VAR again on 11:16 - Sep 7 by DorsetIan |
Comparing goal technology to the VAR offside system is ridiculous.
Goal line tech works automatically and is black or white about whether the ball has crossed the line.
VAR offside relies on a tedious time consuming line drawing by a human AND it makes no attempt to assess whether a player is ‘level’ - in the well understood meaning of that for offside - and so has fundamentally changed the game, in favour the defenders.
VAR offside is simply not fit for purpose. |
How? Your either onside, or offside (as in for positioning, not intervening with play), just the same as how the ball either fully crosses the goal line, or it doesn’t. As it’s all factual and not up for debate, as it’s basically mathematically and scientifically impossible for two players to be truly level. Just the same as it’s impossible for a ball to have crossed the line, but not to have crossed the line… and even if it is in favour of the defenders, what’s the issue with that?
As the lines themselves (not the interpretations of intervening with play) have been perfectly fine and there’s been like what, 2/3 incidents a season max where there were issues with it. As what is it you’d recommend doing then?
As I hear some say about this daylight rule, but even then you’ll still get mm calls, same for giving a set amount (so like 0.5m) between the players before they’re offside. As unless you change the law completely, then it’s always gonna be like this, and even then you will always get calls by the slimmest of margins just the same as goal line technology has. | |
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| VAR again on 16:35 - Sep 7 with 998 views | SFC_Referee |
| VAR again on 12:22 - Sep 7 by saint22 |
They are supposed to be professional with authority
Calling each other mate is playground stuff
Once again as per Mike Dean and his arrogant attitude |
But then why do players do it, and why isn’t it a big deal when a player says that to either a teammate or opposing player? As like I’ve said, it’s something you hear all over the game for any level, so why is it just refs that can’t say it and what’s the issue in the first place?
As anyone in a work place will say stuff like “pass the X would you mate” to a colleague, or “are you free to sort out this for me mate”, so are everyone in almost all jobs not professional as well then?
As if calling someone or even a colleague, mate, is unprofessional, then I don’t think there’s many people out there who are professional under what your saying, both on and off a football pitch.
Although I don’t disagree about the embarrassment dean [Post edited 7 Sep 2023 16:36]
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| VAR again on 20:11 - Sep 7 with 952 views | sledger |
i dont remember offside being a problem in the world cup,2 players shown straight awayby wasnt it hawk eye,instant accurate and yet the so called biggest league in the world has to draw lines,its a joke surely. | | | |
| VAR again on 20:35 - Sep 7 with 947 views | saint22 |
| VAR again on 16:35 - Sep 7 by SFC_Referee |
But then why do players do it, and why isn’t it a big deal when a player says that to either a teammate or opposing player? As like I’ve said, it’s something you hear all over the game for any level, so why is it just refs that can’t say it and what’s the issue in the first place?
As anyone in a work place will say stuff like “pass the X would you mate” to a colleague, or “are you free to sort out this for me mate”, so are everyone in almost all jobs not professional as well then?
As if calling someone or even a colleague, mate, is unprofessional, then I don’t think there’s many people out there who are professional under what your saying, both on and off a football pitch.
Although I don’t disagree about the embarrassment dean [Post edited 7 Sep 2023 16:36]
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players are playing a game with teammates
referees are meant to be in authority and controlling it, not matey | | | |
| VAR again on 23:33 - Sep 7 with 917 views | SFC_Referee |
| VAR again on 20:35 - Sep 7 by saint22 |
players are playing a game with teammates
referees are meant to be in authority and controlling it, not matey |
Ok and the offices also work it teams, as usually before any game with multiple officials on it starts, and you get the coin flip and captain talk, one thing most refs remind the two captains of is how there’s not 2 teams on the field of play, but 3, as the officials are also working together to do their job no different to how players do.
And even then, you hear enough players say mate to opposing players (as I’ve heard players say things like “how the f… did you save that mate” or “mate can’t you just let us have one chance” etc…, all to opposing players they don’t know), as it means so very little in football. | |
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| VAR again on 23:34 - Sep 7 with 916 views | SFC_Referee |
| VAR again on 20:11 - Sep 7 by sledger |
i dont remember offside being a problem in the world cup,2 players shown straight awayby wasnt it hawk eye,instant accurate and yet the so called biggest league in the world has to draw lines,its a joke surely. |
Yeah well they’re developing and testing out that tech in certain leagues right now, and it looks like it’ll be introduced to the prem by either next season or the following one from what I’ve heard | |
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