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Saints And The The Big Freeze Of 1963
by aceofthebase at 21:06:23

I wanted to say it was my real hero Terry Paine but questioned my own memory. I was on the half way line and he scored in the goal to my left. I wish I had all these facts at my fingertips like you Weststand.
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Saints And The The Big Freeze Of 1963
by underweststand at 16:52:01

P.S. ..for anyone interested? see You Tube Manchester United V Southampton (1963)
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Saints And The The Big Freeze Of 1963
by underweststand at 16:37:41

to.. aceofbase.....not TOO many of our generation on here , but our goal at Forest was an 80th minute effort from Terry Paine, who lobbed Peter Grummit in the Forest goal.

The Dell replay was a totally one-sided game in the first half and many thought it was all over when Forest scored their third. The dramatic comeback to 3-3 was so dramatic and the crowd noise was as a loud as I ever heard at The Dell, and the extra time was just as exciting and the next day people in Shirley said they could hears the crowds roars.

I didn't get to the replay at White Hart Lane, but have heard many stories from others.
Knowing that both clubs were far from London, and it was an evening kick-off, Tottenham ground staff only planned to open part of the ground and had a limited staff at the gates.

The official attendance (42,000) wasn't the real figure as around 3,000 Saints fans (arriving late) got in at HT, and several thousand more who never got in, but remained standing outside whilst fans called over the wall to keep them informed of the score.

I recall seeing a few minutes highlights on the evening TV sport programme, and fans at the match said that it was the finest game that Ken Wimshurst ever played for Saints.

Had we played half-as-well in the Semi Final it would have been Saints going to Wembley and not United.

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Saints And The The Big Freeze Of 1963
by aceofthebase at 15:03:19

Underweststand You have awakened my memory. I can remember going to Notts forest to see that draw. Did someone score for us from near the halfway line for that equaliser? I have forgotten the home match but My dad and I travelled to London to watch that slaughter of Notts forest.
I was also at the semi-final, blowing on my little horn behind the goal where I saw one of my schoolboy heroes knee in that goal.
Both of these latter away games were an eye-opener to the size of grounds (spectators) that other team played on.
In 1964 I lost touch with Saints as I joined the Royal Navy and travelled the world, eventually moving to Dorset. In my retirement years I follow the games avidly, thank goodness for streaming and the odd cheap game and travel.
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On This Day In History 28th March
by Shakin_Stevens at 14:59:32

Lovely stuff, can't believe it was 10 years ago. What was the name of that awful nightclub that ran out of booze 🤔
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Saints Again Linked With Full Back
by underweststand at 13:36:02

I thought he looked a good buy from comments earlier in the season but it didn't work out.
We can't predict the outcome of Saints efforts to sign Walker-Peters, especially if Spurs insist on demanding "silly money" for an "as -yet " unproven youngster, who seems to have no place in the future Spurs set-up.
Maehle looks a much better bet - especailly if we are talking about an £8 million fee.
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Saints And The The Big Freeze Of 1963
by underweststand at 13:25:03

A good resume of that vastly-delayed winter seaso n Nick, BUT you failed to mention the most exciting part of our tremendous FA Cup run. Going into the 6th round we drew Notts Forest (a top Div.1 side at the time) . We managed a late goal to come away at 1-1 and a packed Dell crowd saw us concede 3 goals by the 60 min.mark. Then came one of the most memorable fightbacks when we first scored in the 74th minute and went on to draw level by 90 minutes. No-one knows how we didn't manage to win during extra time but that glory was left for the SECOND replay at neutral White Hart Lane.

The majority of the 42000 crowd who turned up that evening were Saints fans - and many more came late and stood outside the ground listening (as Spurs expecting a low turnout had only opened up part of the ground). One of the Saints most memorable Cup games saw up slaughter Forest 5-0 (and it might have been more) .
I was one of the 30-odd thousand Saints fans who travelled to Villa Park for the Semi Final v. Man Utd. Sadly one of the most disappointing games I've ever watched as neither side cound string 3 passes together and United won 1-0 after the ball struck Denis Law's knee and was deflected past the grounded Saints keeper Ron Reynolds.

The highlights of that game are on You Tube ...somewhere . FA Cup semi final 1963 ?

A memorable season for Saints who had a disasterous start and were still in bottom place after 10 games, but turned things around ...in part due to Ted Bates signings of veteran FB Stuart Williams. MF David Burnside and the "robust " CF George Kirby. By the end of the backlogged season we finished a respectable 11th place (of 24 teams).
That season's top scorer ?...the late-lamented George O'Brien ...(22 league goals ..plus 7 in the Cup run). Maybe modern day fans will tell their grandchildren the story of the 2020 season Corona stoppage - if we all live long enough.

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On This Day In History 28th March
by Boris1977 at 09:51:53

A wonderful day, a wonderful season and a feeling that our club was secure and on the up again thanks to the incredible Marcus Liebherr. That is my favourite picture of him a quiet understated pride in what he enabled Saints to achieve. We will never forget what he did for our club. Coyrs
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The Ugly Inside TV ! Hero Of The Season
by PhillipAnderson at 13:02:13

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Saints Talk Up Plans For The Future
by underweststand at 08:59:30

I'm a bit confused by some of your comments above (Nick).
On one hand you praise Martin and Toby for their comments but then criticise when they put forward their ideas and suggestions.
Fans going to home games watch around 30 hours of football at SMS each season and if they are going to sit behind the Chapel goal or... in the Lounge... it's nice to go away with some good memories (and hopefully better results than we've seen of late).
If I left my house, un-renovated or re-decorated for 20 years It would be in a real state , especially if a few million feet had tramped through it in that period...and I definitely think that the toilets COULD do with a new coat of paint and some real maintainance.

Of course .. we judge the team (and the club) by the results after 96 minutes, but there are several factors here that were unforseen. Since Koeman jumped ship we've had a more than normal numbers of bad buys that have cost a lot of un-earned money and we are doubtless still paying instalments of some of them we are currently trying to get rid of...but we should not criticise the club's endeavour to develop the Academy , in fact IMHO we ought to be putting more into the development of the younger talent.

For a "medium-sized " club like ourselves, we must develop our own talents even more because we aren't in a stable financial state to be able to pay £15 mill.-£20 million
for every player when the best teenage talents are being quote at anything upto £100 million, although impressing in some other club's teams abroad.
In the recent Villa game we started with 3 Academy graduates on the field and 2 more on the bench... PLUS Djenepo, who is in the same age-group. Clearly it takes time for them to settle in and they will learn from their mistakes and their "red card " encounters, but are no worse than the likes of Wanyama and Hoedt whose disciplinary record was worse and cost much more £ at the time.
Many teams we are going through a generational change and young talents get the headlines nowadays and no longer the established "star players". When the final whistle blows on the careers of Shane Long, Ryan Bertrand and Oriel Romeu we will have an even younger squad to work with and hopefully they will come from the Academy, and clearly Ralph is eager to promote them to the first team.
Half of the Prem.clubs are looking over their shoulders from the end of August hoping for survival whilst to so-called "big clubs " sack managers for not qualifying for CL. Daft innit !

After 60 +years as a Saints fan. I am a little more ...(what legendary Cricket commentator John Arlott - used to call) ..."circumspect " and so too should we be as Saints fans.

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Saints Defer Season Ticket Renewals
by underweststand at 07:55:47

Sounds like a sensible move.
Season ticket holders still have a handful of home games they have "paid for " and until that is resolved it's hard to see what can be decided about next season's arrangements.

There is still no decsion about what should be done with the rest of this seasons fixtures , so we'll just have to wait until that is resolved.
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Saints Talk Up Plans For The Future
by luffy22 at 18:26:38

Whats sort of thing to say is that, quote:
“We know we can’t continue to offer the same thing year after year because we need to do new things to keep the fans coming"

does he not goto the games and watch the same old dire f*c!ing sh!t being severed up week after week, year after year, masquerading as football????

yep your right nick, he does need to be taught PR

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Saints Talk Up Plans For The Future
by codge at 12:21:02

An excellent article Nick well thought out,seems common sense doesn’t come into it when dealing with the fans and what they think.
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On This Day In History March 23rd
by EasternSaint at 10:28:18

That 5-1 loss to Spurs I remember well. Watched it from the North Stand at White Heart Lane with a Spurs supporting mate. Had to endure those 5 goals but remember jumping out of my seat on our goal and having a bit of ‘banter’ thrown my way by all the locals. Thanks for bring back all these memories Nick.
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Saints CEO Comments On Premier League Resumption.
by DPeps at 08:30:15

I'm moving towards thinking that they'll make the season null and void. Frankly no-one knows how long this virus will last and so how can anything be planned? Even if they go for behind doors games, fans of clubs are going to congregate to celebrate, especially when Liverpool win the league, and I don't think the government or police would want that. Also, playing out the end of the season will cause a significant delay to the start of the season, which may mean that euro 2021 can't be played.

There's no ideal scenario here, but calling it now is probably the least bad option in the long term.
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On This Day In History March 23rd
by Shakin_Stevens at 19:47:44

Lovely stuff.
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On This Day In History March 23rd
by SaintNick at 14:25:11

Thanks for the kind words Mark, the whole point about football is that we all have different opinions, i respect everyone elses and never think that I have a God given right to have the correct one myself.

Im just lucky that most of the time I am right lol ( Only joking)
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On This Day In History March 23rd
by saintmark1976 at 12:19:23

Nick, I've disagreed with you on many occasions in the past and expect to do the same in the future when this corona thing is but a distant memory. However, that doesn't stop me giving you absolute credit for what you are attempting to achieve with posts such as this one in reminding us of times past, some happy and others not so.Thank you.
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Saints CEO Comments On Premier League Resumption.
by SaintNick at 12:19:02

Its unrealistic to merge two seasons, for one reason that of transfers etc, the season has to be played to a conclusion that is the only fair way. I think that is the decision of football already, the only question is how and when.
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Saints CEO Comments On Premier League Resumption.
by highfield49 at 11:31:32

To be honest I've now got reservations about playing matches behind closed doors, particularly with a tv audience in isolation. Hopefully Saints would pick up enough points to reach safety but the "entertainment value" for supporters of teams dropping into the relegation places could be emotionally catastrophic if they are still unable to share their despondency. Thinking about those annual end of season images of devastated kids and adults sitting in emptying stadiums is for me a real issue. Relegation or missed promotion aren't such a big deal when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel but that often comes with time and the opportunity to get things in perspective. Not so easy when you can't meet up at the pub and share the doom and gloom.
Although it's not a view that I've seen elsewhere in the media, but I'm equally sure I'm not alone, would it be worth considering starting next season with the current standings in place? Liverpool would have a huge points gap that is their's to lose and the likes of Leeds would have an advantage in their promotion chase. Not ideal maybe but I bet any Leeds supporter would wish they'd grabbed that if they slip down the table after the closed doors re-start.
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