| Manning updates??? 18:38 - Sep 17 with 46229 views | bosh67 |
Seems to have gone very quiet this week. Wondering if he'll be included in the squad tomorrow? Shame really, he's a great character and really good in this squad. |  |
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| Manning updates??? on 17:12 - Sep 20 with 6247 views | Myke |
| Manning updates??? on 11:41 - Sep 19 by Antti_Heinola |
You're right mate. I'm naive and it's all a deep state conspiracy to fool us naive fans.
Was the freelance photographer wearing sunglasses with a secret camera poking through a newspaper? Jesus christ. |
That's a very disappointing response Antii. You have written articles for this site, some I have agreed with others I haven't, but regardless, they have all been well constructed opinion piece. Now the best you can manage is sarcastic dismissal of ONE of the points I made?
The point of this thread or any of them is to offer opinions and for others to agree or offer alternative views. My opinion is that Manning is being forced out. Not openly, but covertly and subtly by the club. Do I have any concrete evidence of this? Not a shred. But based on circumstantial evidence, conversations that can be interpreted one way or another, I feel he is not getting a fair deal compared to BOS, who , at least from the outside, looking in, seems to be in a very similar position.
If you disagree, debate it with me, but lets have adult , respectful discourse, rather than dismissive disrespectful sarcasm
If you feel calling one of your comments naïve disrespectful, then I apologise. That wasn't my intention. I felt that to think the club would use an official photographer, to snap Manning relaxing and then to use it directly to indicate he was slacking from training was extremely unlikely, is all I meant.
Like I said at the top, I feel he is being forced out covertly. I think he is being made an example of as to what the club will do with a player who won't sign a new contract.. But my core question remains the same - why is he been treated differently than BOS? |  | | |
| Manning updates??? on 17:18 - Sep 20 with 6217 views | Rangersw12 |
| Manning updates??? on 17:12 - Sep 20 by Myke |
That's a very disappointing response Antii. You have written articles for this site, some I have agreed with others I haven't, but regardless, they have all been well constructed opinion piece. Now the best you can manage is sarcastic dismissal of ONE of the points I made?
The point of this thread or any of them is to offer opinions and for others to agree or offer alternative views. My opinion is that Manning is being forced out. Not openly, but covertly and subtly by the club. Do I have any concrete evidence of this? Not a shred. But based on circumstantial evidence, conversations that can be interpreted one way or another, I feel he is not getting a fair deal compared to BOS, who , at least from the outside, looking in, seems to be in a very similar position.
If you disagree, debate it with me, but lets have adult , respectful discourse, rather than dismissive disrespectful sarcasm
If you feel calling one of your comments naïve disrespectful, then I apologise. That wasn't my intention. I felt that to think the club would use an official photographer, to snap Manning relaxing and then to use it directly to indicate he was slacking from training was extremely unlikely, is all I meant.
Like I said at the top, I feel he is being forced out covertly. I think he is being made an example of as to what the club will do with a player who won't sign a new contract.. But my core question remains the same - why is he been treated differently than BOS? |
I don't think he's being forced out I reckon it's more likely that Warburton thinks that we can get away with Wallace at Left back but we don't really have a suitable replacement for BOS in the squad | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 18:25 - Sep 20 with 6096 views | Myke |
| Manning updates??? on 17:18 - Sep 20 by Rangersw12 |
I don't think he's being forced out I reckon it's more likely that Warburton thinks that we can get away with Wallace at Left back but we don't really have a suitable replacement for BOS in the squad |
Obviously Warburton knows the squad a hell of a lot better than I do, but I would have thought we were better stocked with wingers; Smyth, Shodipo, Thomas , than left backs. Based on Friday's performance reinforcements in that department whether Manning stays or goes, are badly needed | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 17:23 - Sep 21 with 5618 views | qprd |
| Manning updates??? on 18:25 - Sep 20 by Myke |
Obviously Warburton knows the squad a hell of a lot better than I do, but I would have thought we were better stocked with wingers; Smyth, Shodipo, Thomas , than left backs. Based on Friday's performance reinforcements in that department whether Manning stays or goes, are badly needed |
I actually think our fullbacks are incredibly important for our creativity... we’ve clearly lost a lot of creativity with Eze gone and brights dip in form
There have been a lot of opportunities down the left which haven’t materialised bc either Wallace is too immobile to get up and down the pitch or not good enough on the ball to play a decent ball in.... edit: also, Tom Carroll was playing passes down that channel for fun against forest and I can see him and manning linking up brilliantly down that side
Manning will be able to provide a lot of service into dykes which he’s lacking
I agree we need depth at forward but I think manning playing is more important for us creatively than adding a substitute winger or forward [Post edited 21 Sep 2020 17:24]
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| Manning updates??? on 18:16 - Sep 21 with 5401 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Manning updates??? on 17:23 - Sep 21 by qprd |
I actually think our fullbacks are incredibly important for our creativity... we’ve clearly lost a lot of creativity with Eze gone and brights dip in form
There have been a lot of opportunities down the left which haven’t materialised bc either Wallace is too immobile to get up and down the pitch or not good enough on the ball to play a decent ball in.... edit: also, Tom Carroll was playing passes down that channel for fun against forest and I can see him and manning linking up brilliantly down that side
Manning will be able to provide a lot of service into dykes which he’s lacking
I agree we need depth at forward but I think manning playing is more important for us creatively than adding a substitute winger or forward [Post edited 21 Sep 2020 17:24]
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Totally agree, just so us to bring in Dykes and lose our best crosser of the ball in Manning.
We have had so-called seasoned left backs who also mastered the art of ball-watching (Wallace and before him Bidwell) without similar outcry.
We need to accept Manning is learning the role and play with 3 Centre Backs on the basis Barbet is left footed, experienced and mobile enough to compensate for Manning's defensive shortcomings.
We need to keep Manning as I believe he is more important to our overall team play than BO'S who may attract a similar or higher bid. | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 18:37 - Sep 21 with 5331 views | DavieQPR |
It could be that if no acceptable offers come in for BOS then he will sign a new contract but Manning has refused. Hence Warburton's comments about different stages of contract discussions. |  | | |
| Manning updates??? on 20:53 - Sep 21 with 5084 views | Myke |
| Manning updates??? on 18:37 - Sep 21 by DavieQPR |
It could be that if no acceptable offers come in for BOS then he will sign a new contract but Manning has refused. Hence Warburton's comments about different stages of contract discussions. |
That's possible alright . But it's a kind of dangerous game to play, with the transfer window running so late and the next one only a couple of months later. So, for example, when the window 'slams shut' in October, if his agent keeps stalling until Jan, at which point BOS is in a position to sign a pre-contract with someone else | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 09:33 - Sep 22 with 4450 views | francisbowles |
| Manning updates??? on 20:53 - Sep 21 by Myke |
That's possible alright . But it's a kind of dangerous game to play, with the transfer window running so late and the next one only a couple of months later. So, for example, when the window 'slams shut' in October, if his agent keeps stalling until Jan, at which point BOS is in a position to sign a pre-contract with someone else |
But is there an alternative? | | | |
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| Manning updates??? on 09:38 - Sep 22 with 4428 views | terryb |
| Manning updates??? on 20:53 - Sep 21 by Myke |
That's possible alright . But it's a kind of dangerous game to play, with the transfer window running so late and the next one only a couple of months later. So, for example, when the window 'slams shut' in October, if his agent keeps stalling until Jan, at which point BOS is in a position to sign a pre-contract with someone else |
That is certainly correct, but let's not forget that no English club has made an offer for either Manning or BOS.
I would have thought there was a market for both of them, but it is yet to materialise. | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 13:38 - Sep 22 with 4171 views | Nov77 |
He’s playing for the u23s at the moment
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| Manning updates??? on 14:08 - Sep 22 with 4077 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Manning updates??? on 13:38 - Sep 22 by Nov77 |
He’s playing for the u23s at the moment
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Just scored a corker by all accounts too. He and Smyth are having good games and Oteh has two goals.
Marcin Brzozowski is having a good game too. |  |
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| Manning updates??? on 14:58 - Sep 22 with 3981 views | francisbowles |
| Manning updates??? on 14:08 - Sep 22 by Esox_Lucius |
Just scored a corker by all accounts too. He and Smyth are having good games and Oteh has two goals.
Marcin Brzozowski is having a good game too. |
Playing in midfield it seems. Central or wide, I wonder? Hamalainen presumably left back. | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 15:03 - Sep 22 with 3956 views | Esox_Lucius |
QPR win 5-0 Mide Shodipo scores from the penalty spot after Ody Alfa gets fouled in the area. Our 4th was an OG following a cross. They should definitely look at getting the Academy games streamed again. They were always a good watch and gave you some insight in to who was looking like they would make it etc. | |
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| Manning updates??? on 17:10 - Sep 22 with 3813 views | derbyhoop |
Much as I'd like to agree, I'm sure there would be a cost.
With no fans and no likelihood of any in the short term, I would think Rangers aren't the only ones trying to keep down any avoidable costs. |  |
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| Manning updates??? on 17:46 - Sep 22 with 3710 views | losethedrum |
| Manning updates??? on 13:38 - Sep 22 by Nov77 |
He’s playing for the u23s at the moment
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Great so he can play saturday now hopefully .
That makes it 4 games running that Ryan has scored but Dykes is in serious need of a cross into the box or a pass or anything that even resembles a bit of decent service of which Ryan Manning provides in abundance . | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 21:41 - Sep 22 with 3502 views | Myke |
Hell of a strong U23 team. I wonder would those couple of goals help Oteh kick on? It has to be a confidence thing. Not saying he is our back up solution this season and probably needs to go out on loan again this year, but still think there is a decent player in there at this level. | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 10:22 - Sep 30 with 3111 views | TheChef |
Just had a message from a Watford mate saying they're interested? |  |
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| Manning updates??? on 11:03 - Sep 30 with 2947 views | Boston |
| Manning updates??? on 10:22 - Sep 30 by TheChef |
Just had a message from a Watford mate saying they're interested? |
Last year certainly. Plenty of talk saying them and West Ham had an interest. [Post edited 30 Sep 2020 11:06]
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| Manning updates??? on 11:41 - Sep 30 with 2810 views | gobbles |
I don't think anyone is interested in today's market, Can't see Watford or anyone outside the Premier League spending money now. I wonder how low would they sell Manning right now? If someone offered £100,000, would it be accepted? |  | | |
| Manning updates??? on 12:09 - Sep 30 with 2693 views | TheChef |
| Manning updates??? on 11:41 - Sep 30 by gobbles |
I don't think anyone is interested in today's market, Can't see Watford or anyone outside the Premier League spending money now. I wonder how low would they sell Manning right now? If someone offered £100,000, would it be accepted? |
I don't know, Watford are probably one of the few Championship clubs that would have available funds.
As to what would be a reasonable offer, who knows?
On the other hand, if no offers are forthcoming then Manning and his agent may have to suck it up and sign that contract. Assuming that Warburton still wants him. | |
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| Manning updates??? on 12:09 - Sep 30 with 2690 views | LowerloftLad |
if west ham and Watford are both interested surely we could still get between 500/750k with a small sell on fee
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| Manning updates??? on 13:15 - Sep 30 with 2497 views | gobbles |
| Manning updates??? on 12:09 - Sep 30 by TheChef |
I don't know, Watford are probably one of the few Championship clubs that would have available funds.
As to what would be a reasonable offer, who knows?
On the other hand, if no offers are forthcoming then Manning and his agent may have to suck it up and sign that contract. Assuming that Warburton still wants him. |
There is a six-week gap between the end of the transfer window and being able to sign pre-contract agreements elsewhere. Sounds like he is happy to sit it out | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 16:23 - Sep 30 with 2325 views | philc |
| Manning updates??? on 13:15 - Sep 30 by gobbles |
There is a six-week gap between the end of the transfer window and being able to sign pre-contract agreements elsewhere. Sounds like he is happy to sit it out |
If this is the case, and i don’t know if it is, then the Clubs approach is understandable and I 100% agree with it. To my knowledge there hasn’t been any offers for him so the club aren’t preventing him from leaving.
Having said that, not having Manning in the team has weakened us as a creative force. | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 17:45 - Sep 30 with 2173 views | PinnerPaul |
| Manning updates??? on 16:23 - Sep 30 by philc |
If this is the case, and i don’t know if it is, then the Clubs approach is understandable and I 100% agree with it. To my knowledge there hasn’t been any offers for him so the club aren’t preventing him from leaving.
Having said that, not having Manning in the team has weakened us as a creative force. |
Only 3 teams have scored more than us | | | |
| Manning updates??? on 08:32 - Oct 2 with 1805 views | enfieldargh |
West Ham just spunked £5.4 on Vladimir Coufal, A right back from Slavia Prague so West Hams door may have sut |  |
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