Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 16:14 - Feb 6 with 16684 views | NotLoyal | Sheffield United: Wes Foderingham, Sander Berge, Billy Sharp (captain), John Egan, Max Lowe, Anel Ahmedhodzic, Oliver Norwood, Jack Robinson, Jayden Bogle, James McAtee, Iliman Ndiaye. Substitutes: Adam Davies, John Fleck, Chris Basham, Oli McBurnie, Ismaila Coulibaly, Ben Osborn, Ciaran Clark. Swansea City: Andy Fisher; Kyle Naughton, Ben Cabango, Nathan Wood, Ryan Manning; Jay Fulton, Matt Grimes (captain), Olivier Ntcham, Ollie Cooper, Liam Cullen, Joel Piroe. Substitutes: Lewis Webb, Harry Darling, Joe Allen, Luke Cundle, Morgan Whittaker, Liam Walsh, Matty Sorinola.
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:31 - Feb 11 with 1408 views | raynor94 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 20:39 - Feb 11 by builthjack | We have been on a downhill slope since these owners took over. Each year has got worse. They haven’t a clue. Until they go we will continue to struggle. They do not connect with the football club or the fans in any way. They are pathetic. |
You don't blame Martin for any of this? | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:31 - Feb 11 with 1405 views | max936 | Any way how did McBurnie react to scoring against us, was he a bit dour or ecstatic? [Post edited 11 Feb 2023 22:07]
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:32 - Feb 11 with 1403 views | KeithHaynes |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:31 - Feb 11 by max936 | Any way how did McBurnie react to scoring against us, was he a bit dour or ecstatic? [Post edited 11 Feb 2023 22:07]
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A bit 50 / 50 but he was pleased. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:44 - Feb 11 with 1352 views | swan65split | I am at the stage now he has too go, the rot is progressing , from owners , a few players and performances, even supporters. Cant see new owners and our best chance is another manager, the only consistency we are showing now is losing, and starting too lose badly. | | | |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:01 - Feb 11 with 1306 views | SullutaCreturned |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:31 - Feb 11 by raynor94 | You don't blame Martin for any of this? |
It all stems from the owners though, they appointed him. | | | |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:05 - Feb 11 with 1300 views | builthjack |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:44 - Feb 11 by swan65split | I am at the stage now he has too go, the rot is progressing , from owners , a few players and performances, even supporters. Cant see new owners and our best chance is another manager, the only consistency we are showing now is losing, and starting too lose badly. |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:07 - Feb 11 with 1288 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:01 - Feb 11 by SullutaCreturned | It all stems from the owners though, they appointed him. |
You loved it when they appointed him. You were championing him for a long time. Bit of revisionism there. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:10 - Feb 11 with 1288 views | max936 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 21:32 - Feb 11 by KeithHaynes | A bit 50 / 50 but he was pleased. |
Good, he should celebrate, he's got a different challenge now, show respect yes, but also respect the team and its fans who you are playing for. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:12 - Feb 11 with 1284 views | raynor94 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:01 - Feb 11 by SullutaCreturned | It all stems from the owners though, they appointed him. |
You didn't agree with the decision to hire Martin? | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:21 - Feb 11 with 1250 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:12 - Feb 11 by raynor94 | You didn't agree with the decision to hire Martin? |
This seems to be the new narrative. Firstly he was the “cheap” option - despite us having to pay compensation for him, and when people realise that isn’t true they say “well it’s their fault for appointing him” - despite thinking it was a good appointment at the time. There is an insatiable need to blame them for something these days. If someone shows me a message from them 18 months ago saying it was a bad appointment, then I’ll happily allow them to say it’s the owners fault, without challenge. But I, like most others, were excited by Martins appointment. Unfortunately he hasn’t turned out to be the manager many thought he may be, system is flawed and way too naive. On the surface he seemed a perfect fit, but deeper than that and he’s the opposite of a classic Swansea manager. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:28 - Feb 11 with 1235 views | raynor94 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:21 - Feb 11 by Dr_Parnassus | This seems to be the new narrative. Firstly he was the “cheap” option - despite us having to pay compensation for him, and when people realise that isn’t true they say “well it’s their fault for appointing him” - despite thinking it was a good appointment at the time. There is an insatiable need to blame them for something these days. If someone shows me a message from them 18 months ago saying it was a bad appointment, then I’ll happily allow them to say it’s the owners fault, without challenge. But I, like most others, were excited by Martins appointment. Unfortunately he hasn’t turned out to be the manager many thought he may be, system is flawed and way too naive. On the surface he seemed a perfect fit, but deeper than that and he’s the opposite of a classic Swansea manager. |
Hard to argue with any of that | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:04 - Feb 11 with 1172 views | Treforys_Jack |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:21 - Feb 11 by Dr_Parnassus | This seems to be the new narrative. Firstly he was the “cheap” option - despite us having to pay compensation for him, and when people realise that isn’t true they say “well it’s their fault for appointing him” - despite thinking it was a good appointment at the time. There is an insatiable need to blame them for something these days. If someone shows me a message from them 18 months ago saying it was a bad appointment, then I’ll happily allow them to say it’s the owners fault, without challenge. But I, like most others, were excited by Martins appointment. Unfortunately he hasn’t turned out to be the manager many thought he may be, system is flawed and way too naive. On the surface he seemed a perfect fit, but deeper than that and he’s the opposite of a classic Swansea manager. |
Agree with all of that, I was genuinely excited by his appointment, however by the first Xmas, I had him sussed out. Seems a nice guy but stubborn and slow to learn. | | | |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:14 - Feb 11 with 1150 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:04 - Feb 11 by Treforys_Jack | Agree with all of that, I was genuinely excited by his appointment, however by the first Xmas, I had him sussed out. Seems a nice guy but stubborn and slow to learn. |
The flaws in his system were obvious from game 1 vs Blackburn. The problem lies in the fact that those flaws still exist in game 84, it turns out they weren’t things needing ironing out.. they were intentional features of the system. I understand why he has had a lot of backing from some sections of the fan base and the ownership. On paper he looks the perfect fit, young, possession, passing and ethos based. But if your youth brings you stubbornness, your possession focus is flawed, your passing areas aren’t effective and your ethos misplaced - then it’s a useless combination. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:21 - Feb 11 with 1138 views | Kilkennyjack |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:14 - Feb 11 by Dr_Parnassus | The flaws in his system were obvious from game 1 vs Blackburn. The problem lies in the fact that those flaws still exist in game 84, it turns out they weren’t things needing ironing out.. they were intentional features of the system. I understand why he has had a lot of backing from some sections of the fan base and the ownership. On paper he looks the perfect fit, young, possession, passing and ethos based. But if your youth brings you stubbornness, your possession focus is flawed, your passing areas aren’t effective and your ethos misplaced - then it’s a useless combination. |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:27 - Feb 11 with 1130 views | Luther27 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:14 - Feb 11 by Dr_Parnassus | The flaws in his system were obvious from game 1 vs Blackburn. The problem lies in the fact that those flaws still exist in game 84, it turns out they weren’t things needing ironing out.. they were intentional features of the system. I understand why he has had a lot of backing from some sections of the fan base and the ownership. On paper he looks the perfect fit, young, possession, passing and ethos based. But if your youth brings you stubbornness, your possession focus is flawed, your passing areas aren’t effective and your ethos misplaced - then it’s a useless combination. |
Replace the word stubbornness with belief and you have a point. He doesn’t have the quality of players to deliver what he preaches. Pep does….RM doesn’t. So…who’s at fault? The players, the manager or the owners? | | | |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:46 - Feb 11 with 1099 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:27 - Feb 11 by Luther27 | Replace the word stubbornness with belief and you have a point. He doesn’t have the quality of players to deliver what he preaches. Pep does….RM doesn’t. So…who’s at fault? The players, the manager or the owners? |
Pep plays a completely different brand of football. We had players like Alan Tate, Garry Monk, Mark Gower in the side we got promoted with. The great thing about a good system is that you can play well above the squads capabilities and they become greater than the sum of their parts. This system is inherently flawed. He’s signed 22 players and spent millions since coming in and we are in the same spot as when he started. If you can only “maybe” make your system work with world class players, then that says your system doesn’t work. A good system should work at any level of football. Nobody can convince me slow narrow possession football (all by design), often in your own box - is a recipe for excellence. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:51 - Feb 11 with 1094 views | max936 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:27 - Feb 11 by Luther27 | Replace the word stubbornness with belief and you have a point. He doesn’t have the quality of players to deliver what he preaches. Pep does….RM doesn’t. So…who’s at fault? The players, the manager or the owners? |
I've said that all along, basically because we haven't got the quality in the playing squad to play that way, so its not an exclusive concept despite the self importance of some who think they "know" it all. Martin would love to be a Pep or a Klopp but he hasn't got the nous to achieve that pedestal, or a squad that can play to that level, but I doubt he'd be capable of coaching a team who possess those abilities. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:04 - Feb 12 with 1081 views | max936 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 23:27 - Feb 11 by Luther27 | Replace the word stubbornness with belief and you have a point. He doesn’t have the quality of players to deliver what he preaches. Pep does….RM doesn’t. So…who’s at fault? The players, the manager or the owners? |
"So…who’s at fault? The players, the manager or the owners?", We are were we are, we can't afford to buy the quality needed and we can't afford a manager who can turn a pigs ear into a silk purse, Martinez and Rogers did, but Martin is a work in progress, who is stalling a tad at the minute, he's got to work that out. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:06 - Feb 12 with 1077 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:04 - Feb 12 by max936 | "So…who’s at fault? The players, the manager or the owners?", We are were we are, we can't afford to buy the quality needed and we can't afford a manager who can turn a pigs ear into a silk purse, Martinez and Rogers did, but Martin is a work in progress, who is stalling a tad at the minute, he's got to work that out. |
Cooper, Potter, Sousa - not many seem to have had issues getting the best out of their teams. None of which was exceptional in quality. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:25 - Feb 12 with 1045 views | swan65split |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 22:05 - Feb 11 by builthjack | to |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:27 - Feb 12 with 1040 views | STID2017 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:06 - Feb 12 by Dr_Parnassus | Cooper, Potter, Sousa - not many seem to have had issues getting the best out of their teams. None of which was exceptional in quality. |
Yet none of those managed to get us promoted. Obviously none of them were miracle workers to get their Swans squads promoted | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:28 - Feb 12 with 1025 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:27 - Feb 12 by STID2017 | Yet none of those managed to get us promoted. Obviously none of them were miracle workers to get their Swans squads promoted |
I don’t expect promotion from Russ either. Play offs is the aim, top 8 acceptable. | |
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Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:36 - Feb 12 with 1016 views | STID2017 |
Sheffield United v Swansea City : Matchday Thread 22;23 on 00:21 - Feb 12 by Dr_Parnassus | To follow on from this: As a huge fan of strategy and tactics in all walks of life (many are transferable to other sectors). Here is the Impondo Zenkomo, military formation of attack. The strategy the Zulu (impi) warriors took to defeat their opposition, who take a set central position. The buffalo horns. They used width and the flanks to get around their set defensive position while keeping a strong core. Without the horns they would have been slaughtered, it’s the horns that make the system work. At the moment we are an Impondo Zenkomo without the horns. Ie - completely ineffective. |
Heat maps and buffalo horns eh ? About as interesting as watching Dover Athletic v Afan Lido on a cold dark January evening | |
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