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Reply | Saito
at 21:08 24 Nov 2024
Whn Marti plays him as a winger/attacking forward, he flourishes. As a wing back, which he's also tried when needs appeared to must, he's neutered. |
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Reply | Saito
at 20:06 24 Nov 2024
He's been excellent, which also proves that the recruitment team aren't all bad. |
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Reply | Varane
at 20:05 24 Nov 2024
It was a bit surprising none of the post-match debriefs picked up on Marti's yellow, which seems to have been waved around the time of our penalty, even more weirdly. Does anyone know what it was about? |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:53 24 Nov 2024
I thought you were ignoring me - be a good fellow and do just that, eh? |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:47 24 Nov 2024
QED! You protest no one on this board is 'mean and nasty', and call me a 'narcissist clown' in the next breath. It's just embarrassing!
Do you own a mirror yourself? if not, maybe buy one and have a look into it, you projecting twit! |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:44 24 Nov 2024
As a writer, I love words, but I'm sadly crap at Scrabble! Glad I'm helping you enlarge your word horde though, with my pomposity, persecution complex, and pornographic proclivities! It's truly fascinating to learn so much about myself (or rather abour others) from people who don't know me at all. |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:40 24 Nov 2024
Unlike, it seems, a number on this board, I don't really care a jot about the 'who' behind postings here; I mostly just care about what's being said. Most of what I write reflects this, and is suitably resourced, as in my last post citing an interview Marti gave in August to try to challenge the misleading idea that he's been moaning abour recruitment since Reading. Just for once, it would be nice if actual counter-arguments like this were acknowledged. It would make the place seem a bit more adult.
When I think something wrong, I'll call it out with reasons. If my points are succcessfully counter-argued, I'm glad to accept it. Most of the time, however, I find they're not. The rest is, of course, speculation and opinion, which is what makes a superbly trivial board like this a chaotic kind of para-footballing fun - at least some of the time.
PS I'm sure this innocuous post will still elicit the priggish 'ignores' and supercilous sneers from the usual one or two, but it's really water off a duck's back. [Post edited 24 Nov 19:45]
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:27 24 Nov 2024
Good to get rid of people who don't like to discuss things, and prefer to scapegoat people who make arguments they don't like as 'contrarians' and other idiocies. What a relief! [Post edited 24 Nov 19:29]
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:25 24 Nov 2024
The point is we don't know (when he signed his contract), but I'm not even sure why this is relevant. He did sign it, and thereby agreed to work under the current regime.
In fact, Marti made a clear statment that he was almost entirely satisfied with our summer recruitment at the end of August, so I'm not sure where this idea that he's been seething with resentment since pre-season is now coming from:
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/im-very-stubborn-marti-cifuentes-provides-a
When asked if he was fully satisfied with QPR’s transfer business, Cifuentes replied:
“Almost. I’m very stubborn. I think we have got to a good point. I value that we have made a big shift. It is not easy with a big transition in where we are as a club, with a manager that came in the middle of last season, a CEO that came in the middle of last season. With lots of changes in the staff and the squad. Those things will take time. I’m convinced that we have signed some good players and now it is about being patient and being calm. My job is to make sure that the pieces start to work together as soon as possible.'
In his own words, he's now not doing his 'job', therefore (or not doing it very well), or he's not a very good judge of players, or he's a better tactician when it comes to adjusting his professional image than he appears to be on the pitch. Or possibly all three. |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:16 24 Nov 2024
It's not so much what my point is as what your counter-point is, which I struggle to see. |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 19:12 24 Nov 2024
Fine - if some people don't want to (or can't bear to) take the point I've made clearly, and several times, out of a one-eyed need to uphold the party line, to amplify ad hominem idioms rather than engaging with the discussion raised, or blame Nourry for everything and pretend that Marti is some kind of innocent industrial victim/man of nobility at odds with circumstances, all I can say is there's none so deaf as those who won't listen.
As it is, as I see it, and taking the whole picture into consideration, what comes across is MC (i) feathering his nest, (ii) trying to keep the fans onside by telling us he's making recommendations to the club as to squad additions etc. and implying the club isn't delivering while (iii) telling us he's telling the players they're 'the best in the world'. The word 'compromised' doesn't begin to cover it, and reminds me of R D Laing's statement that the best of us are the defenceless ones who are driven mad by the insanity of the world, but welcome to professinal football. You probably need to have multiple personality disorder to be a football coach/manager (and apparently Director of Nothing) these days. If he's 'just a coach', unfortunately, the bottom line is he's not doing a very good job of it right now, and the club is justified in asking questions as to why that is. Are the players improving? Are there clear patterns of play? Can we take a set piece?
For the record, I like Marti, he still has real credit in the bank for me, and think Nourry is a seductive/opportunist toerag, so there's a degree of 'advocatus diaboli' in my argument, but only a degree. However, he's not pure as the driven snow, he's chosen to work at QPR, and it won't wash to say he's no part of our predicament. If MC didn't want to work within the club's current recruitment set-up and financial restrictions, like it or not, the bottom line is he shouldn't have (re)signed the contract he did.
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 18:27 24 Nov 2024
To repeat, and I'm not sure why this seems to be such a blind/deaf spot for one or two as it's fairly simple, if he's signed a new contract 'for the money', he's also signed up for the recruitment model. That's the calcuated risk with his reputation he's taken, if you like, and chosen to take. If he ends up QPRed, though I still think Marti seems to be much more sinned against than sinning, it'll have been his choice in the end. [Post edited 24 Nov 18:29]
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 18:23 24 Nov 2024
So it all comes down to money, and Marti has zero culpability for signing up for our data-driven, CEO-led 'recruitment model' (then whining about it)? Seriously, give me a break!
I know the pro game is about as ethical as Faustian wager, but I didn't have you down as that much of a cynic, Clive. |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 17:46 24 Nov 2024
So who was holding a gun to Marti's head when he recently re-signed/extended his contract? Or are you asking us to believe that the recruitment model was somehow visited on him from on high after the fact? He's not a puppet manager, presumably; he's a big part of the mix. Hilarious that some blinkered posters are now asking the question 'Who would come here and work under Nourry' when Marti's agreed to do exactly that!
I'm certainyl not saying the systemic failings aren't adding plenty of sh*t to his sh*tty stick, and I think Marti's a decent guy and probably a capable coach with decent tools, but to say he's not a 'professional' in all senses of that word is naive. To a great extent, if he's not entirely made his own bed, he's certainly chosen to lie in it. [Post edited 24 Nov 17:48]
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 17:29 24 Nov 2024
A squad that Cifuentes has agreed to be paid handsomely to manage and coach. He didn't seem to be taking any potshots at the higher ups during that video link at the FF - in fact, he and Calm were guffawing with pleasure. Funny that it all appears to have gone south since. |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 17:22 24 Nov 2024
I agree to the extent that, if Marti and Calm have signed their latest contracts on the basis that others have led on the recruitment, he's a cynic and/or a cuck whose massively compromised position re complaining about the limitations he's working with is obvious. At the same time, if the presumably Nourry-led ensemble is ludicrously responsible for our incomings and outgoings now, it should acknowledge the lion's share of its own failings in landing the coach with too many inadequate/injury-prone imports.
In short, they're all implicated, and they're all to blame. [Post edited 24 Nov 17:40]
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 17:21 24 Nov 2024
It's a stupid model, then, like a lot of 'modern' ideas about the game, and it's clear it's not working in our case. |
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Reply | Cifuentes gone?
at 17:19 24 Nov 2024
Who 'told you yesterday he was gone' - Jude the Cat? Obviously, their powers of prognostication are about as credible as the latest Christian Adventist cult, and you make yourself look a bit silly by compounding this by recycling them here. [Post edited 24 Nov 17:24]
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