| Covid-19 in the Camp! 13:16 - Aug 20 with 5915 views | jackharris |
A couple of players will be absent tonight, including Cabango. It has been reported unofficially. |  |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:43 - Aug 20 with 930 views | jasper_T |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:38 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
Not sure if I'd believe government press reports tbh.
I'd like to read the actual study, when I have time.
I'd like to find out the actual reason that people are less likely to pass it on.
Is it less amount of the virus coming out of your mouth?
is it the virus is less powerful when it comes out of your mouth, so can't reach the non infected person?
OR, is it because less people have symptoms, which is what I said, so it IS arguable in that case, that showing symptoms can make you act more safely towards others. [Post edited 20 Aug 2021 17:44]
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Yeah I bet you will. |  | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:45 - Aug 20 with 928 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:38 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
Not sure if I'd believe government press reports tbh.
I'd like to read the actual study, when I have time.
I'd like to find out the actual reason that people are less likely to pass it on.
Is it less amount of the virus coming out of your mouth?
is it the virus is less powerful when it comes out of your mouth, so can't reach the non infected person?
OR, is it because less people have symptoms, which is what I said, so it IS arguable in that case, that showing symptoms can make you act more safely towards others. [Post edited 20 Aug 2021 17:44]
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And yet you seem to believe nonsense on the internet?
It’s madness, it really is.
Perhaps the government are spending billions and have wrecked the economy for a generation for a laugh. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:53 - Aug 20 with 900 views | Catullus |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:17 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
OK. What's wrong? |
Being double vaccinated reduces your chances of catching the virus and then reduces your chances of passing it on. Therefore it does protect other people as well as yourself. If you do contract it your chances of serious illness are very much reduced. Seeing as new variants seem to be affecting younger people now, it seems obvious that we should all get vaccinated.
If players don't get vaccinated covid could spread through the camp like wildfire. Somebody not symptomatic could pass it on to the whole team on a coach on the way to the game, they could give it to the opposition just standing in close proximity as well as maybe passing it on to non playing staff. Those people then take it home, maybe to elderly family members. | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:55 - Aug 20 with 894 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:42 - Aug 20 by londonlisa2001 |
Firstly the vaccines reduce infection, transmission and severe illness if you do get it. They are best at reducing severe illness but still reduce infection and transmission even though to a lesser extent.
Secondly, catching Covid without vaccination still results in approximately 30% of cases being asymptomatic, therefore your assertion that you will ‘know’ you have it is wrong.
The bigger the percentage of the population who get vaccinated, the more the % reductions in infection and transmission have a huge effect overall.
Plus, of course, young people are less likely to die and get severe illness, but some do. Also a number suffer long Covid and may end up with permanent damage to organs.
Most of all, it’s a bloody vaccine, massively tested and hugely safe, issued freely and people should stop listening to bollox and just take the bloody thing. If we end up with a player who is ill or has long Covid or permanent lung impairment even if slight and the club are ‘ok’ about them not being vaccinated it’s shocking. They’re not ‘ok’ about alcohol or eating crap food and that won’t cause them to die or get severely ill either. |
"Firstly the vaccines reduce infection, transmission and severe illness"
Yeah ok, maybe they do, but how? I suggest it's simply by people not having symptoms, so not sneezing everywhere.
That may be better remedied by isolation.
"Most of all, it’s a bloody vaccine, massively tested and hugely safe"
I don't believe that, sorry. It's not tested properly, the companies have total immunity to any comebacks from the vaccines, and it is not yet known how safe it is.
"They’re not ‘ok’ about alcohol or eating crap food and that won’t cause them to die or get severely ill either."
I'm pretty sure there are more people dying or having problems from alcohol or eating crap food, than they have from COVID.
Young people have very little chance of dying or becoming seriously ill from COVID.
The only people who should have the vaccine are the ones who are at higher risk of damage from the symptoms.
I really think people should stop trying to get others to have a vaccine we really know hardly anything about. If you want it, fine, take the risk. If you don't want it, great, just be aware of your condition and how you present yourself around older people.
I can understand older heads having it and I would not argue against that.
I do not believe that young people are benefiting anyone by having it though. |  |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:56 - Aug 20 with 891 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:43 - Aug 20 by jasper_T |
Yeah I bet you will. |
Bet I will what? | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:56 - Aug 20 with 887 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:38 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
Not sure if I'd believe government press reports tbh.
I'd like to read the actual study, when I have time.
I'd like to find out the actual reason that people are less likely to pass it on.
Is it less amount of the virus coming out of your mouth?
is it the virus is less powerful when it comes out of your mouth, so can't reach the non infected person?
OR, is it because less people have symptoms, which is what I said, so it IS arguable in that case, that showing symptoms can make you act more safely towards others. [Post edited 20 Aug 2021 17:44]
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Mixture of viral load and how long you carry the virus even if infected.
It’s basic maths.
If a vaccinated person, for example, has 70% of the risk of transmission (making that up, but using a high number so you can see what happens even if the reduction is small).
And a vaccinated person has 50% chance to become infected.
Then two people meeting each other for long enough to pass the virus where one is infected and one isn’t and neither know status:
- have a 100% chance of passing it on if both are unvaccinated
- have a 70% chance of passing it on if the virus is in the vaccinated person and the other isn’t vaccinated
- have a 50% chance of passing it on if the virus is in the unvaccinated person
- have a 35% chance of passing it on if both people are vaccinated
Multiply that over millions of people and encounters and it has a huge impact. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:58 - Aug 20 with 884 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:53 - Aug 20 by Catullus |
Being double vaccinated reduces your chances of catching the virus and then reduces your chances of passing it on. Therefore it does protect other people as well as yourself. If you do contract it your chances of serious illness are very much reduced. Seeing as new variants seem to be affecting younger people now, it seems obvious that we should all get vaccinated.
If players don't get vaccinated covid could spread through the camp like wildfire. Somebody not symptomatic could pass it on to the whole team on a coach on the way to the game, they could give it to the opposition just standing in close proximity as well as maybe passing it on to non playing staff. Those people then take it home, maybe to elderly family members. |
Yes, but fully vaccinated player can pass it on just the same.
How does the vaccine reduce the chance of passing it on specifically? | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:59 - Aug 20 with 881 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:45 - Aug 20 by londonlisa2001 |
And yet you seem to believe nonsense on the internet?
It’s madness, it really is.
Perhaps the government are spending billions and have wrecked the economy for a generation for a laugh. |
I wouldn't say they've done it for a laugh no.
Probably something to do with making them and their mates some money. Or something along those lines. | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:02 - Aug 20 with 873 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:56 - Aug 20 by londonlisa2001 |
Mixture of viral load and how long you carry the virus even if infected.
It’s basic maths.
If a vaccinated person, for example, has 70% of the risk of transmission (making that up, but using a high number so you can see what happens even if the reduction is small).
And a vaccinated person has 50% chance to become infected.
Then two people meeting each other for long enough to pass the virus where one is infected and one isn’t and neither know status:
- have a 100% chance of passing it on if both are unvaccinated
- have a 70% chance of passing it on if the virus is in the vaccinated person and the other isn’t vaccinated
- have a 50% chance of passing it on if the virus is in the unvaccinated person
- have a 35% chance of passing it on if both people are vaccinated
Multiply that over millions of people and encounters and it has a huge impact. |
You reckon that if someone with the virus spends time with someone without the virus, if neither have been vaccinated, theres a 100% chance that the virus will be passed on?
I don't buy that. | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:10 - Aug 20 with 852 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:55 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
"Firstly the vaccines reduce infection, transmission and severe illness"
Yeah ok, maybe they do, but how? I suggest it's simply by people not having symptoms, so not sneezing everywhere.
That may be better remedied by isolation.
"Most of all, it’s a bloody vaccine, massively tested and hugely safe"
I don't believe that, sorry. It's not tested properly, the companies have total immunity to any comebacks from the vaccines, and it is not yet known how safe it is.
"They’re not ‘ok’ about alcohol or eating crap food and that won’t cause them to die or get severely ill either."
I'm pretty sure there are more people dying or having problems from alcohol or eating crap food, than they have from COVID.
Young people have very little chance of dying or becoming seriously ill from COVID.
The only people who should have the vaccine are the ones who are at higher risk of damage from the symptoms.
I really think people should stop trying to get others to have a vaccine we really know hardly anything about. If you want it, fine, take the risk. If you don't want it, great, just be aware of your condition and how you present yourself around older people.
I can understand older heads having it and I would not argue against that.
I do not believe that young people are benefiting anyone by having it though. |
The vaccines are completely fully tested.
It was done quickly for two reasons. Firstly the money was unlimited as the world was on hold.
Secondly, one delay in testing a vaccine normally is the amount of time it takes for enough people in the control group to become infected to know it works. This isn’t the case in a worldwide pandemic where millions are infected.
Alcohol and eating crap don’t kill more than Covid otherwise there wouldn’t be excess deaths to the usual.
Young people should have the vaccine to help protect the population as a whole.
Plus, do you know what, this is getting seriously boring.
List your medical qualifications.
What makes you know more about this than professors of immunology, medicine, epidemiology, chief science advisors, chief medical officers, scientists, specialists in respiratory disease, emergency medicine, paramedics, nursing staff etc etc etc etc.
Because I really think that people should stop saying they’ve armed themselves with all the knowledge available when all they’ve done is read a few conspiracy sites on the internet. You may well know hardly anything about the vaccine. In fact, I’d suggest less than that. But to insinuate that the people who have spent their lifetimes doing this stuff know nothing is ludicrous.
Literally never known an era where so many people are so completely bloody sure that they know more than world experts because they heard something from some bloke on the internet who basically has the knowledge of the people that used to talk bollox all day down the pub. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:10 - Aug 20 with 853 views | jackrmee |
It's very rare though mate. very. | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:12 - Aug 20 with 844 views | jasper_T |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:10 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
It's very rare though mate. very. |
Way more common than any vaccine side effects. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:19 - Aug 20 with 822 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:02 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
You reckon that if someone with the virus spends time with someone without the virus, if neither have been vaccinated, theres a 100% chance that the virus will be passed on?
I don't buy that. |
I literally typed ‘ Then two people meeting each other for long enough to pass the virus where one is infected and one isn’t and neither know status’.
It’s an example to show you the maths. It’s relative.
I’m not being rude, but I’m pretty certain I wouldn’t need to explain that to Sarah Gilbert which is why on balance I’m going to believe her not you… | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:21 - Aug 20 with 817 views | londonlisa2001 |
That’s why I simply don’t understand the comments from RM about it being ok to not be vaccinated. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:21 - Aug 20 with 817 views | hobo |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:12 - Aug 20 by jasper_T |
Way more common than any vaccine side effects. |
We're up to over 1 million cases of adverse reactions from the vaccine in the UK alone. These figures tend to be massively under-reported so the true number is likely far higher |  | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:22 - Aug 20 with 816 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:10 - Aug 20 by londonlisa2001 |
The vaccines are completely fully tested.
It was done quickly for two reasons. Firstly the money was unlimited as the world was on hold.
Secondly, one delay in testing a vaccine normally is the amount of time it takes for enough people in the control group to become infected to know it works. This isn’t the case in a worldwide pandemic where millions are infected.
Alcohol and eating crap don’t kill more than Covid otherwise there wouldn’t be excess deaths to the usual.
Young people should have the vaccine to help protect the population as a whole.
Plus, do you know what, this is getting seriously boring.
List your medical qualifications.
What makes you know more about this than professors of immunology, medicine, epidemiology, chief science advisors, chief medical officers, scientists, specialists in respiratory disease, emergency medicine, paramedics, nursing staff etc etc etc etc.
Because I really think that people should stop saying they’ve armed themselves with all the knowledge available when all they’ve done is read a few conspiracy sites on the internet. You may well know hardly anything about the vaccine. In fact, I’d suggest less than that. But to insinuate that the people who have spent their lifetimes doing this stuff know nothing is ludicrous.
Literally never known an era where so many people are so completely bloody sure that they know more than world experts because they heard something from some bloke on the internet who basically has the knowledge of the people that used to talk bollox all day down the pub. |
What's getting boring?
I have no medical degree. I'm just saying my opinion and why I don't think it's necessary for our players to all get vaxed.
I'm pretty sure alcohol kills more people per year than COVID. Especially now it's all died down.
I haven't insinuated anyone knows nothing, I just said I don't trust a government press release.
I'm not sayng that I know more than these people, but I am saying I don't know who to trust out of them.
Until someone can prove to me how a vaccine will stop me passing the virus on to a person at risk, I will not have it, and I will fully back anyone else who refuses too.
All these people saying that it reduces it by so and so percentage here, a different percentage there. This vaccine is better for that, this better for these people.
They haven't got a clue.
They are just intent on as many people having the vaccine as possible.
It's no good to just trust people in the government and believe everything they tell us. | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:23 - Aug 20 with 812 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:12 - Aug 20 by jasper_T |
Way more common than any vaccine side effects. |
How many professional footballers have come down with serious effects like that?
You reckon its way more than the players who have had side effects after a jab? | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:24 - Aug 20 with 802 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:21 - Aug 20 by hobo |
We're up to over 1 million cases of adverse reactions from the vaccine in the UK alone. These figures tend to be massively under-reported so the true number is likely far higher |
Yeah, a sore arm for a few hours is a real bugger. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:29 - Aug 20 with 788 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:22 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
What's getting boring?
I have no medical degree. I'm just saying my opinion and why I don't think it's necessary for our players to all get vaxed.
I'm pretty sure alcohol kills more people per year than COVID. Especially now it's all died down.
I haven't insinuated anyone knows nothing, I just said I don't trust a government press release.
I'm not sayng that I know more than these people, but I am saying I don't know who to trust out of them.
Until someone can prove to me how a vaccine will stop me passing the virus on to a person at risk, I will not have it, and I will fully back anyone else who refuses too.
All these people saying that it reduces it by so and so percentage here, a different percentage there. This vaccine is better for that, this better for these people.
They haven't got a clue.
They are just intent on as many people having the vaccine as possible.
It's no good to just trust people in the government and believe everything they tell us. |
If you have no medical degree I simply don’t understand why you wont believe the experts.
Anyway, it won’t be long before you just won’t be allowed to do the things you want unless you get vaccinated. So that’s fine. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:36 - Aug 20 with 774 views | Badlands |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 17:17 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
OK. What's wrong? |
Jackrmee is spot on.
What do you th8nkmis wrong? |  |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:39 - Aug 20 with 761 views | hobo |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:29 - Aug 20 by londonlisa2001 |
If you have no medical degree I simply don’t understand why you wont believe the experts.
Anyway, it won’t be long before you just won’t be allowed to do the things you want unless you get vaccinated. So that’s fine. |
wow, think about what you are writing | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:48 - Aug 20 with 739 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:29 - Aug 20 by londonlisa2001 |
If you have no medical degree I simply don’t understand why you wont believe the experts.
Anyway, it won’t be long before you just won’t be allowed to do the things you want unless you get vaccinated. So that’s fine. |
So I should just believe anything I'm ever told from anyone with more qualifications than me? | |
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| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:50 - Aug 20 with 734 views | jasper_T |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:48 - Aug 20 by jackrmee |
So I should just believe anything I'm ever told from anyone with more qualifications than me? |
You probably should listen to people who are qualified to talk about what they're talking about, yes. | | | |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 19:01 - Aug 20 with 710 views | jackrmee |
| Covid-19 in the Camp! on 18:50 - Aug 20 by jasper_T |
You probably should listen to people who are qualified to talk about what they're talking about, yes. |
I don't think life works that way mate. | |
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