| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 11:57 - Jan 16 with 1126 views | saint901 |
Can I ask whether refs are now being told not to book player for diving? (Or simulation if you like).
In the Liverpool game, the Brighton player (who was offside anyway), clearly threw himself over the keeper's arms in order to hit the turf. I'd have hoped that if he had been onside, then VAR would have not given a penalty (although I have no faith in that) and the ref would have booked the player.
Equally Salah did a blatant dive in the box as well (and he has form for this) and he was not booked.
However a couple of seasons ago we saw quite a few players booked for diving, but not so much any more. Any reason for that? |  | |  |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 12:42 - Jan 16 with 1089 views | SFC_Referee |
Here’s this gameweeks LOTG questions!
Q1= You caution the Team A goalkeeper during regular time to a cup game. After both regular and extra time, the scores are level so the game goes to penalties.
During which the Team A goalie shouts to put off the penalty taker, when they go up to take the penalty kick. What do you do?
Q2= A penalty is taken by team A. The player comes up and strikes the ball legally, which is clearly heading straight for the top left corner, whilst the keeper is clearly diving towards the right side with no chance of saving it. But whilst mid air, a seagull gets in the way of the ball and is struck by it. The ball does have a major change in its path, but still ends up in the back of the net. What do you award now?
(Shoutout to Frannie’s Tash for that one)
Q3= A referee awards a dropped ball to Team B. The player who it was dropped to sees the keeper off of his line, so after taking two touches, has a shot which ends up in the back of Team A’s net. What should happen next? |  |
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| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 13:15 - Jan 16 with 1075 views | SFC_Referee |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 11:57 - Jan 16 by saint901 |
Can I ask whether refs are now being told not to book player for diving? (Or simulation if you like).
In the Liverpool game, the Brighton player (who was offside anyway), clearly threw himself over the keeper's arms in order to hit the turf. I'd have hoped that if he had been onside, then VAR would have not given a penalty (although I have no faith in that) and the ref would have booked the player.
Equally Salah did a blatant dive in the box as well (and he has form for this) and he was not booked.
However a couple of seasons ago we saw quite a few players booked for diving, but not so much any more. Any reason for that? |
Nah that’s a fair question mate, but they’re not told to give less caution Ings for simulation but rather play it safe rather than sorry with how they deal with them.
But the reason for the very few cautionings is due to the “tickboxes” that've gotta be filled out for a cautioning to be given for simulation.
As there’s 4 of them that it almost always MUST be for you to see a cautioning given…
1= the dive must be inside the box or at the very least just outside the box (as I’ve only ever seen it once where a player has been cautioned for simulation at like the halfway line, which was actually recently when Walcott got a yellow for it in the EFL cup at St Mary’s earlier this season)
2= there must be NO contact at all, or at the most the slightest of touches that couldn’t even knock over a baby, as players can then argue that the contact made them fall over (even though we all know it’s BS!)
3= there must be appeals from the player who went down and their teammates so that they’ve not just fallen over after loosing balance or something, and are just about to get up and go for the ball again anyway rather than going down intentional to win a penalty.
4= there can’t be any doubt in the refs mind that it’s simulations as if there is and it ends up being a penalty which they missed, it’s bad enough saying no to it, but cautioning the player on top of it is only gonna make things worse!
But of course these are more guidelines than factual LOTG, which is why you do get some exceptions to them, but it’s mainly why there isn’t many cautionings for simulation, although I personally think it should be a red as they can be as important as handballing it on the line and as you said they’re given out quite rarely, but with this as disciplinary action less would take the risk. | |
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| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 14:51 - Jan 16 with 1024 views | SaintNick |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 13:15 - Jan 16 by SFC_Referee |
Nah that’s a fair question mate, but they’re not told to give less caution Ings for simulation but rather play it safe rather than sorry with how they deal with them.
But the reason for the very few cautionings is due to the “tickboxes” that've gotta be filled out for a cautioning to be given for simulation.
As there’s 4 of them that it almost always MUST be for you to see a cautioning given…
1= the dive must be inside the box or at the very least just outside the box (as I’ve only ever seen it once where a player has been cautioned for simulation at like the halfway line, which was actually recently when Walcott got a yellow for it in the EFL cup at St Mary’s earlier this season)
2= there must be NO contact at all, or at the most the slightest of touches that couldn’t even knock over a baby, as players can then argue that the contact made them fall over (even though we all know it’s BS!)
3= there must be appeals from the player who went down and their teammates so that they’ve not just fallen over after loosing balance or something, and are just about to get up and go for the ball again anyway rather than going down intentional to win a penalty.
4= there can’t be any doubt in the refs mind that it’s simulations as if there is and it ends up being a penalty which they missed, it’s bad enough saying no to it, but cautioning the player on top of it is only gonna make things worse!
But of course these are more guidelines than factual LOTG, which is why you do get some exceptions to them, but it’s mainly why there isn’t many cautionings for simulation, although I personally think it should be a red as they can be as important as handballing it on the line and as you said they’re given out quite rarely, but with this as disciplinary action less would take the risk. |
I think all 4 points are fair enough, but I see a lot of incidents where all 4 of these boxes are ticked and still no yellow cards |  |
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| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 16:05 - Jan 16 with 991 views | saint901 |
And also.
I'm sure that a few seasons ago, a player who is fouled and mimics to the ref the giving of a card to the opposition player, was also a caution?
Again, don't see that often (although it's usually foreign players who do this). | | | |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 16:17 - Jan 16 with 978 views | saint901 |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 12:42 - Jan 16 by SFC_Referee |
Here’s this gameweeks LOTG questions!
Q1= You caution the Team A goalkeeper during regular time to a cup game. After both regular and extra time, the scores are level so the game goes to penalties.
During which the Team A goalie shouts to put off the penalty taker, when they go up to take the penalty kick. What do you do?
Q2= A penalty is taken by team A. The player comes up and strikes the ball legally, which is clearly heading straight for the top left corner, whilst the keeper is clearly diving towards the right side with no chance of saving it. But whilst mid air, a seagull gets in the way of the ball and is struck by it. The ball does have a major change in its path, but still ends up in the back of the net. What do you award now?
(Shoutout to Frannie’s Tash for that one)
Q3= A referee awards a dropped ball to Team B. The player who it was dropped to sees the keeper off of his line, so after taking two touches, has a shot which ends up in the back of Team A’s net. What should happen next? |
Q1. If the shouting etc is worth of a caution, he's booked for a second time and sent off. Team A has to replace him and team B is asked to reduce their penalty takers to 10 to match the opposition.
Q2. a goal.
Q3. I'm not sure if the player can play it twice before another player touches it? Also, these days there is a "practice" of uncontested drop balls (bonkers idea) so arguably there might be a case of ungentlemanly conduct (again, "gentlemen" playing football? really?) | | | |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 17:39 - Jan 16 with 943 views | 1885_SFC |
All I know for a FACT is that had it been Che Adams & Mohamed Elyounoussi that broke away and attacked the Man United goal like Fernandes & Rashford did - at Old Trafford remember & with it being 'little ol' Saints - no way on earth would that goal have stood. |  |
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| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 18:02 - Jan 16 with 927 views | SFC_Referee |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 14:51 - Jan 16 by SaintNick |
I think all 4 points are fair enough, but I see a lot of incidents where all 4 of these boxes are ticked and still no yellow cards |
Yeah but that’s when you get to see it in slow mode multiple times and from loss of angles, which the refs don’t | |
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| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 08:46 - Jan 17 with 788 views | saint901 |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 18:02 - Jan 16 by SFC_Referee |
Yeah but that’s when you get to see it in slow mode multiple times and from loss of angles, which the refs don’t |
Which raises the question of whether players could or should be retrospectively cautioned after the match if they have cheated and it's been missed.
Will not change the result of the match but will count towards their caution count. | | | |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 10:52 - Jan 17 with 758 views | SFC_Referee |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 08:46 - Jan 17 by saint901 |
Which raises the question of whether players could or should be retrospectively cautioned after the match if they have cheated and it's been missed.
Will not change the result of the match but will count towards their caution count. |
Well I’m not too certain on that as you’ll always get debates over some cautioning sand then people might start assessing one’s outside the box etc… but that’s exactly why I think it should be a red card offence as they can be just as important as a goal saving foul and VAR can then get involved | |
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| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 23:07 - Jan 22 with 619 views | SFC_Referee |
| Referee Watch With SFC Ref 16th January on 12:42 - Jan 16 by SFC_Referee |
Here’s this gameweeks LOTG questions!
Q1= You caution the Team A goalkeeper during regular time to a cup game. After both regular and extra time, the scores are level so the game goes to penalties.
During which the Team A goalie shouts to put off the penalty taker, when they go up to take the penalty kick. What do you do?
Q2= A penalty is taken by team A. The player comes up and strikes the ball legally, which is clearly heading straight for the top left corner, whilst the keeper is clearly diving towards the right side with no chance of saving it. But whilst mid air, a seagull gets in the way of the ball and is struck by it. The ball does have a major change in its path, but still ends up in the back of the net. What do you award now?
(Shoutout to Frannie’s Tash for that one)
Q3= A referee awards a dropped ball to Team B. The player who it was dropped to sees the keeper off of his line, so after taking two touches, has a shot which ends up in the back of Team A’s net. What should happen next? |
Quiz question answers
A1= The keeper is cautioned for unsporting behaviour under verbal distraction, and the penalty is retaken. But the keeper can stay on the field of play as he has only been cautioned once during the kicks from the penalty mark (aka penalty shoot out) as that is seen as a different part of the game and all cautionings are “reset” once they start.
A2= The goal is awarded, as an outside intervention only affects a penalties outcome when it affects the outcome of the penalty, where it has stopped the ball crossing the line or affected the keepers ability to get the ball. Nether of which happened here hence why the goal is awarded.
A3= It is a goal kick as for a goal to be scored after a dropped ball, it must touch at least two players before a goal can be scored directly into a teams opponents or own net. | |
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