| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published 16:32 - Apr 3 with 5044 views | qpr1st |
QPR 1st Supporters’ Trust has drawn up a first draft of a comprehensive survey to ask fans what they want to see in the club’s planned new stadium.
The Trust is asking for comments from supporters before the survey is finalised.
Trust chair Stephen Dedridge said: “If the club are to get the new stadium right, then it is vital that those who will be using it — the supporters — get a say on its design and facilities.”
“We have worked with Supporters’ Direct and supporter trusts of other clubs to find examples of surveys that have actually made a difference. The draft we are now publishing is based on the best examples we have found, and made relevant for QPR. We want to hear from supporters if they think the right questions are being asked, and if there are other issues they want to see covered.”
QPR1st wants the club to take up the survey and use it to make sure supporters have their say on the new stadium.
Last year QPR chief executive Philip Beard promised there would be consultation with supporters on the new stadium. Since then the club asked supporters to fill in on-line survey forms on how they travelled to the recent Wigan and Blackpool games at Loftus Road, but has yet to ask fans about the stadium itself.
Stephen Dedridge said “The club’s programme for the Blackpool game reminded us how things can go wrong. The move to a larger stadium in the 1960s resulted in plunging attendances because the stadium was just not right for the club and its supporters.”
“We don’t want that to be repeated,” he said.
A good example of supporters being surveyed was around proposals for a new stadium for Bristol City. Working with the supporters’ trust, the club surveyed supporters on a wide range of issues. The findings were shared with the architects for their proposed new stadium nearly a year before they published their design for the stadium. Supporters were surveyed again on the published designs.
It was a win-win situation; supporters could see their views had been considered and often taken up, and the club could see that involving supporters led to an increase in support for the project.
Supporters are asked to comment on the survey and its questions before it is finalised. Comments should be sent to info@QPR1st.com by 27 April.
You can view the draft online here:
http://www.qpr1st.com/draft-survey-stadium/
Or download it directly from http://www.qpr1st.com/ |  | | |  |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:15 - Apr 4 with 1579 views | toboboly |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 12:33 - Apr 4 by Gloucs_R |
Assume you want it smaller? Shall we build it for 19k then? 
I can name 10 clubs who have built bigger stadiums and now have bigger crowds. Brentford and Bristol Rovers are both building stadiums to hold 20k.
IMO, if in the Prem we would average 28k with a larger stadium. For most London derbies plus the likes of Utd, City, Everton, Liverpool...you'd probably sell out. |
I appreciate what you are saying but 35k?
30k as an absolute max and that only after years in the PL. We should build a small stadium that has potential to be made bigger rather than go down the MK Dons route of building a massive stadium and not being able to fill the thing. |  |
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:21 - Apr 4 with 1578 views | Rs_Holy |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:05 - Apr 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Single-tier 'kop end' for atmosphere?
Never thought about that before. What does everyone think? |
none of my favourite stadiums are "single tier".... I suppose the Ellerslie Road is single tier but I prefer the layout of the Loft.
The design of the new stadium (IMHO) should be 2 tiered with the lower tier being relativley small (Just like the Loft). This has the effect of making the Upper Tier very close to the pitch, giving an "enclosed" feel! |  | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:28 - Apr 4 with 1573 views | MedwayR |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:21 - Apr 4 by Rs_Holy |
none of my favourite stadiums are "single tier".... I suppose the Ellerslie Road is single tier but I prefer the layout of the Loft.
The design of the new stadium (IMHO) should be 2 tiered with the lower tier being relativley small (Just like the Loft). This has the effect of making the Upper Tier very close to the pitch, giving an "enclosed" feel! |
I agree, I actually liked the images they had when they made the announcement with the 2 tiers behind the goal. Having said that a single tier kop-end wouldn't be bad either.
The motive behind the idea of the kop-end was to ensure the singing & noise was unified rather than having top tier singing & lower tier quiet or vice-versa resulting in fragmented atmosphere. I can entirely understand the thought process behind it but I don't think it would be a problem at the new stadium as it hasn't really been a problem at Loftus Rd. Personally I'd be more concerned with the gradient of the roof as a lot of modern stadiums have a very open angle allowing the atmosphere to escape upwards rathers than keep it within the ground & direct it towards the pitch. |  |
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:33 - Apr 4 with 1566 views | timcocking |
I have only one interest on anything to do with stadia - safe standing area? If yes, it's my favourite stadium, if no, it's complete sh!t and i hate it. |  | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:34 - Apr 4 with 1566 views | Gloucs_R |
Single Tier - only if it was for home ST holders and was £299 for an ST. Therefore it would be full.
Man City have just announced £299 ST's for the extns to their stadium |  |
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 14:01 - Apr 4 with 1550 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:11 - Apr 4 by TheBlob |
Well the Loft was single tier.
What about standing - any news and views on that? |
Well, the Loft was double tier for most of my life, though the Lower Loft wasn't exactly sheltered (2-0 in the Cup v Arsenal Sannnnnnnnnnnnnnsoooooooooooooooooom!)
All for safe standing. Cheap and atmospheric. |  |
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 14:18 - Apr 4 with 1535 views | themodfather |
who cares what a few qpr fans want
ask the one direction fans cos they will fill it 5 nights week
so lots of tissue dispensers and ducts for all the tears!!
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 18:39 - Apr 4 with 1479 views | 08olesen |
Anyone who doesn't believe that we should have commercial stuff built is delusional. I accept people have different views on the stadium, but it is an absolute must!
look at all the plans for grounds like the new tottenham one and you will see that they have to be central to the stadium because they bring in money that is needed to pay for the stadium.
I think one of the most important points is that the family stand is not behind the goal and neither is the away stand because that is where we need the louder support.
I think a smaller version of the san siro would be good. Holding 28,000 to start with, then an option to upgrade to 35,000 [Post edited 4 Apr 2014 18:40]
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 21:01 - Apr 4 with 1453 views | HollowayRanger |
it should be built so that it holds 30,000- 35,000
but in a way so that it can be expanded to 40,000 plus |  |
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 21:57 - Apr 4 with 1438 views | Neil_SI |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:05 - Apr 4 by BrianMcCarthy |
Single-tier 'kop end' for atmosphere?
Never thought about that before. What does everyone think? |
For all of its reputation, the famous Anfield and it's Kop End have probably been one of the biggest disappointments in terms of football experienced I've had over the years. I expected it to be so much better than what it was, and the times I've been, have actually found the place to be quite soulless.
It's probably a case of their fans only being able to get up for the big games, or it's a result of them becoming more corporate over time and losing what made them special in the first place. |  | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 22:02 - Apr 4 with 1436 views | Neil_SI |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 18:39 - Apr 4 by 08olesen |
Anyone who doesn't believe that we should have commercial stuff built is delusional. I accept people have different views on the stadium, but it is an absolute must!
look at all the plans for grounds like the new tottenham one and you will see that they have to be central to the stadium because they bring in money that is needed to pay for the stadium.
I think one of the most important points is that the family stand is not behind the goal and neither is the away stand because that is where we need the louder support.
I think a smaller version of the san siro would be good. Holding 28,000 to start with, then an option to upgrade to 35,000 [Post edited 4 Apr 2014 18:40]
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I disagree about the away stand not being placed behind the goal. I'd like to see us take a lead and set an example. It detracts from the atmosphere and the experience, and there's nothing worse than going to an away match and being shoved away high up into the corner somewhere, like we have been at places like Newcastle United and Sunderland.
It's about protecting football and supporters' best interests. I think all club's should be made to offer a good view of the pitch in a tier behind one of the goals for away fans. [Post edited 4 Apr 2014 22:03]
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 22:12 - Apr 4 with 1430 views | Neil_SI |
There's some excellent feedback and ideas already in this thread, which are important and will be taken on board by QPR1st for the next revision.
For those who mentioned items about ambulant supporters (Pablo and Bosh), they are very good points to raise. QPR1st's chairman Stephen Dedridge's professional background deals with ambulant and disabled people and he's worked with the club (and with others) in the past to ensure they were doing everything they could to at the very least, meet the required disabled charter standards.
Hopefully there is an opportunity for the club to do more with a new stadium. | | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 22:36 - Apr 4 with 1414 views | loftboy |
My eldest son has an ambulant ticket and TBH jade the disabled liaison officer in the ticket office is first class, I can't see what more the club can do for him really than they already do. |  |
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 23:07 - Apr 4 with 1399 views | PlumsteadQPR |
For me personally, the biggest compliment that I can pay to the QPR 1st ST survey in its current form (and I assume that it is merely the first draft of a work in progress) is that I had no trouble giving a clear and definitive answer to every single question asked. That's quite an achievement bearing in mind just how much of a contrary, cynical, arsey bvgger I am generally in relation to this sort of thing. If you ignore the fact that I am far from convinced of the need/sense of moving at all (and would answer as such to Q1) every other question is worded in a manner that allows me to express a clear and decisive opinion without ambiguity. This is in stark contrast to the sort of 'SurveyMonkey' atrocities that the club offer me.
For that reason alone QPR 1st deserve praise. |  | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 00:37 - Apr 5 with 1371 views | Match82 |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 16:52 - Apr 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
Great work! Delighted someone has done this.
My initial thoughts:-
Q1) I'd split this into two questions:-
- To what extent do you support or oppose a move away from Loftus Road
- The club has announced plans to build a new stadium as part of a new development at Old Oak about 1.5 miles north of Loftus Road. To what extent do you support or oppose these plans (ie specifically the new stadium as proposed - my note?
Q2) Fifth option should read 45,000 or higher
Q16) Should be options for:-
- Along both sides
- In a band around all four sides
Q22) Needs more options, maybe:-
- fast food outlets
- childrens areas
- betting shops
etc
Q26) Tony Ingham and Daphne Biggs have to be options. The latter may seem like an unusual idea, but the new stadium is about conerstones, and she was one of ours.
Q32) Maybe five options, instead of three? Gives a broader viw of supporters' priorities.
Congrats. I think it's an excellent questionnaire. |
Good grief, something where my profession finally comes in useful...
Brian's suggestions are good, and overall I think it's a good questionnaire.
Q9: Might need to add an option for a mix of tiers. Current Loftus Road doesn't fit any of the selections in there.
Q26: I'd put quite a few more options in, although if we're talking about a statue I think it would need to be someone that close to 100% of QPR fans would be able to relate to. Macca and Gerry spring to mind, but I'd have 5-10 names on there. While I respect what Daphne did for the club and I think she should be recognised as part of the stadium in some way (perhaps a suite named after her or similar?) I think a statue would have to be someone that everyone can recognise. |  | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 01:44 - Apr 5 with 1364 views | PunteR |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 13:15 - Apr 4 by toboboly |
I appreciate what you are saying but 35k?
30k as an absolute max and that only after years in the PL. We should build a small stadium that has potential to be made bigger rather than go down the MK Dons route of building a massive stadium and not being able to fill the thing. |
Agree with this. Its got to be a natural progression and not forced on. Like Jamie olivers £10 beans on toast...,its still- beans on toast. |  |
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 02:08 - Apr 5 with 1361 views | SonofNorfolt |
Think small, stay small.
A unique (as TF told me personally, name drop alert) 40K stadium with a roof,
fukkin' brilliant.
Would have loved my dad to have seen it actually happen, but I will introduce my boys to it all the same.
The basic premise is good, although a lot of compromises may have to be made. |  | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 04:44 - Apr 5 with 1342 views | timcocking |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 21:57 - Apr 4 by Neil_SI |
For all of its reputation, the famous Anfield and it's Kop End have probably been one of the biggest disappointments in terms of football experienced I've had over the years. I expected it to be so much better than what it was, and the times I've been, have actually found the place to be quite soulless.
It's probably a case of their fans only being able to get up for the big games, or it's a result of them becoming more corporate over time and losing what made them special in the first place. |
Surely it's because there is now seating in the kop, which, of course, makes the atmosphere crap. [Post edited 5 Apr 2014 4:52]
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| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 12:58 - Apr 5 with 1276 views | mygeneration |
Disabled fans
QPR1st consider that it is vitally important that disabled fans are consulted about the new stadium plans. but we are not necessarily convinced that this would be best done through the format of an online written questionnaire intended to be answered by all fans. Rather it might make more sense for disabled fans to be consulted through other means or in a more targeted way. With the club's co-operation for example questionnaires could be sent to all fans registered with the club as having a disability
Nevertheless whatever QPR1st might suggest we feel it would be most appropriate for the QPR Disabled Supporters Organisation to take the lead on how they think it would be best to consult with disabled fans. We will of course support them if they want and have written to them to make this explicit.
I would also want to point out that much of what the club should put in place for disabled fans should be recognised as a legal requirement and an entitlement for people with a disability rather than an optional choice. Current provision for disabled fans at Loftus Road are pretty minimal even though as has been suggested the staff try to do their best. But the quality of provision at Loftus Road would be unacceptable in a new build. |  | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 22:17 - Jun 16 with 1078 views | PlumsteadQPR |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 21:47 - Jun 16 by WokingR |
Agree
It certainly ticks lots of boxes
But can I still get a juicy drench and a double decker ? |
What in the name of God is a 'juicy drench' when it's at home? | | | |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 22:21 - Jun 16 with 1075 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
| We want you to have a say on the new stadium — draft survey published on 22:17 - Jun 16 by PlumsteadQPR |
What in the name of God is a 'juicy drench' when it's at home? |
Chuck Berry's favourite hobby, apparently |  | | |
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