| Johnson’s Wall 18:53 - Oct 2 with 1931 views | Sadoldgit |
It appears that the government have been looking into building a floating barrier off shore to keep the immigrants out. I am not sure about the feasibility of such an enterprise, and the legality seems highly questionable, but wouldn’t they do better spending their time negotiating with the French and dealing with the problem before the gangs get the boats in the water? |  | | |  |
| Johnson’s Wall on 20:17 - Oct 2 with 1212 views | kingolaf |
You lost me with dealing with the French. |  | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 20:26 - Oct 2 with 1201 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 20:17 - Oct 2 by kingolaf |
You lost me with dealing with the French. |
Fair point. | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 00:14 - Oct 3 with 1123 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 20:26 - Oct 2 by Sadoldgit |
Fair point. |
You ever spent much time trying to negotiate with the French then, Sogs? |  |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 09:00 - Oct 3 with 1041 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 00:14 - Oct 3 by Chesham_Saint |
You ever spent much time trying to negotiate with the French then, Sogs? |
No, but they do have a certain reputation do they not? | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 09:11 - Oct 3 with 1030 views | SaintNick |
The channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, I dont think they would even waste a second considering this |  |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 09:35 - Oct 3 with 1017 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 09:00 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
No, but they do have a certain reputation do they not? |
They can be extremely difficult, with often a complete lack of consistency and clarity. This extends to responses given by their lawyers, many of whom In my experience, are prepared to bend or ignore the rules for a suitable cash incentive. | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 10:26 - Oct 3 with 989 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 09:11 - Oct 3 by SaintNick |
The channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, I dont think they would even waste a second considering this |
That’s the thing though Nick, according to a leak, it was considered (however briefly). | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:30 - Oct 3 with 987 views | SaintNick |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:26 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
That’s the thing though Nick, according to a leak, it was considered (however briefly). |
If someone has leaked a cabinet meeting I would say that they have an ulterior motive to try and discredit someone, so I would take it with a pinch of salt | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 10:48 - Oct 3 with 970 views | Bridders2 |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:26 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
That’s the thing though Nick, according to a leak, it was considered (however briefly). |
We pay the French Millon's to police the coast but they play a blind eye, while ever increasing numbers cross the channel, ignoring safe havens in France, Spain, Italy and all the countries they pass through. What would you do about it Soggy? | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:50 - Oct 3 with 963 views | JaySaint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:48 - Oct 3 by Bridders2 |
We pay the French Millon's to police the coast but they play a blind eye, while ever increasing numbers cross the channel, ignoring safe havens in France, Spain, Italy and all the countries they pass through. What would you do about it Soggy? |
let them in and give them free houses and money (not near him of course, near you and me instead) | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 11:47 - Oct 3 with 931 views | Heisenberg |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:48 - Oct 3 by Bridders2 |
We pay the French Millon's to police the coast but they play a blind eye, while ever increasing numbers cross the channel, ignoring safe havens in France, Spain, Italy and all the countries they pass through. What would you do about it Soggy? |
Make sure we were sat at the table during Europe wide discussions aimed at finding a Europe wide solution to this issue. Oh no hang on. We won't be there of course. |  |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 12:02 - Oct 3 with 923 views | JaySaint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 11:47 - Oct 3 by Heisenberg |
Make sure we were sat at the table during Europe wide discussions aimed at finding a Europe wide solution to this issue. Oh no hang on. We won't be there of course. |
been there done that. The solution is let them come. | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 12:59 - Oct 3 with 891 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:30 - Oct 3 by SaintNick |
If someone has leaked a cabinet meeting I would say that they have an ulterior motive to try and discredit someone, so I would take it with a pinch of salt |
They can only discredit someone if there is something to discredit in the first place 😉 | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 13:02 - Oct 3 with 889 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:50 - Oct 3 by JaySaint |
let them in and give them free houses and money (not near him of course, near you and me instead) |
I live a lot closer to where they come ashore than you do so where do you think they are more likely to end up? Also these people need help, or would you rather they just drowned on the way across? | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 13:14 - Oct 3 with 880 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 10:48 - Oct 3 by Bridders2 |
We pay the French Millon's to police the coast but they play a blind eye, while ever increasing numbers cross the channel, ignoring safe havens in France, Spain, Italy and all the countries they pass through. What would you do about it Soggy? |
It seems that they mostly head here because they can speak English, not French, Spanish or Italian.
It’s a tricky one but I think the issue needs to be dealt with on the French side. We clearly do not have the resources to deal with policing our own borders and once they are are in the water it is too late. This is a problem that needs to be tackled by Europe as a whole, not just us and the EU needs a proper well funded strategy to deal with the floods of people who are desperate to escape to safer environments. The gangs fleecing people need to be dealt with properly not just by us and the French, but by a combined EU initiative. This is a humanitarian issue on a huge scale and needs to be treated as such. Priti Patel’s suggestions don’t far (if the leaks are true) are less than helpful and smack of the usual NIMBYism. I am not pretending that this is an easy nut to crack, but we could start by viewing these people as human beings who need help rather than just “illegals”. | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 13:21 - Oct 3 with 872 views | JaySaint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 13:02 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
I live a lot closer to where they come ashore than you do so where do you think they are more likely to end up? Also these people need help, or would you rather they just drowned on the way across? |
help, as in? | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 13:25 - Oct 3 with 859 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 13:21 - Oct 3 by JaySaint |
help, as in? |
Try imagining that your home town has been bombed, family members murdered and raped. You leave everything behind and try and find a better life for yourself and your loved ones. What kind of help would you need? | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 15:02 - Oct 3 with 830 views | thissceptredsaint |
You also have to consider that whilst they are destitute now they are so because they had the funds, or some funds to spend to get as far as the French coast. They had the funds because they are middle class/professionals often who have been able to at least 'get out' of the war zone. They have skills supposedly in high demand. I don't think the majority are coming here for the lucky chance to get housed in Govanhill, Landport or some other uk Sh*thole. |  | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 15:05 - Oct 3 with 823 views | JaySaint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 13:25 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
Try imagining that your home town has been bombed, family members murdered and raped. You leave everything behind and try and find a better life for yourself and your loved ones. What kind of help would you need? |
In 2020, 44% of incidents (most of which are interceptions of boats by Border Force officials) in which the nationality of boat occupants is known involved Iranians. | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 15:23 - Oct 3 with 803 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 15:05 - Oct 3 by JaySaint |
In 2020, 44% of incidents (most of which are interceptions of boats by Border Force officials) in which the nationality of boat occupants is known involved Iranians. |
Which means what exactly? | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 15:25 - Oct 3 with 800 views | JaySaint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 15:23 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
Which means what exactly? |
the vast majority of those coming are not being bombed out of house and home.
hence why the are coming illegally | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 16:04 - Oct 3 with 778 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 15:25 - Oct 3 by JaySaint |
the vast majority of those coming are not being bombed out of house and home.
hence why the are coming illegally |
Do you know the reason these people are coming? | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 16:07 - Oct 3 with 774 views | JaySaint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 16:04 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
Do you know the reason these people are coming? |
NHS, Benefits, Housing, Benefits, Illegal work, live in a 3 bed house with 9 other people, benefits, work in slave like conditions.
as said, the majority of these people are not being bombed out of house and home (as you alluded to) | |
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| Johnson’s Wall on 16:28 - Oct 3 with 761 views | Sadoldgit |
| Johnson’s Wall on 16:07 - Oct 3 by JaySaint |
NHS, Benefits, Housing, Benefits, Illegal work, live in a 3 bed house with 9 other people, benefits, work in slave like conditions.
as said, the majority of these people are not being bombed out of house and home (as you alluded to) |
Ignoring the massive generalisation that you have just made, by your own figures you have completely dismissed the majority (56%) who are not Iranian. Let’s face it, you have a problem with foreigners don’t you? | | | |
| Johnson’s Wall on 16:51 - Oct 3 with 751 views | JaySaint |
| Johnson’s Wall on 16:28 - Oct 3 by Sadoldgit |
Ignoring the massive generalisation that you have just made, by your own figures you have completely dismissed the majority (56%) who are not Iranian. Let’s face it, you have a problem with foreigners don’t you? |
the 56% of other people largely come from areas that are not being bombed.
That has nothing to do with foreigners. In fact, I would rather we stopped the illegal crossings entirely as it puts these people in danger, and welcome those in genuine need.
great effort with your mental gymnastics. T | |
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