| Best pundit 21:35 - Nov 6 with 4326 views | RotherhamDale |
Got to be Roy Keane surely... his performance today was superb |  |
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| Best pundit on 21:45 - Nov 6 with 4292 views | nordenblue |
Being honest I used to hate the guy and strangely enough thought he was massively overrated as a player too, but his honesty and views are a very refreshing change from the protected,watered down and very dull opinions of most the other pundits. |  | | |
| Best pundit on 21:46 - Nov 6 with 4290 views | James1980 |
Saw a clip from today's analysis. Punches pulled = 0 | |
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| Best pundit on 22:23 - Nov 6 with 4197 views | D_Alien |
My impression of Keane as a pundit is he courts controversy, but he's entitled to do so
When people refer to Man U's sensational conclusion to their treble-winning1998/99 campaign at the Nou Camp, they tend to forget it was Keane who dragged them there, albeit missing the final through injury (largely down to his no-prisoners playing style)
Trailing after 2 early Juventus goals in the semis second leg, he imposed himself on the opposition, scoring the first and pushing his team on to win and make the final. There's few players who could've done that
He also walked out of a World Cup campaign on a matter of principle, as squad captain. Hot-headed? Yeah, and remains so. Over-rated? Nah...
I like him. Punditry needs more like him, but they just don't make them
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| Best pundit on 07:37 - Nov 7 with 3960 views | widgibob |
| Best pundit on 22:23 - Nov 6 by D_Alien |
My impression of Keane as a pundit is he courts controversy, but he's entitled to do so
When people refer to Man U's sensational conclusion to their treble-winning1998/99 campaign at the Nou Camp, they tend to forget it was Keane who dragged them there, albeit missing the final through injury (largely down to his no-prisoners playing style)
Trailing after 2 early Juventus goals in the semis second leg, he imposed himself on the opposition, scoring the first and pushing his team on to win and make the final. There's few players who could've done that
He also walked out of a World Cup campaign on a matter of principle, as squad captain. Hot-headed? Yeah, and remains so. Over-rated? Nah...
I like him. Punditry needs more like him, but they just don't make them
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He missed the final through getting booked in that Juventus game. He got a lot of praise for playing the way he did knowing he was going to miss the final. Here's a bit from Fergusons book
“Pounding over every blade of grass, competing as if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player.”
Keanes response
“Stuff like that almost insults me,” Keane said. “What am I supposed to do? Give up? Not cover every blade of grass? Not do my best for my teammates? Not do my best for my club?
“To be honest, I actually get offended when people throw quotes like that at me as if I’m supposed to be honoured by it. It’s like praising the postman for delivering your letters. He’s supposed to, isn’t he? That’s his job.
My job is to try and win football matches for Man United.” |  |
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| Best pundit on 07:57 - Nov 7 with 3948 views | James1980 |
| Best pundit on 07:37 - Nov 7 by widgibob |
He missed the final through getting booked in that Juventus game. He got a lot of praise for playing the way he did knowing he was going to miss the final. Here's a bit from Fergusons book
“Pounding over every blade of grass, competing as if he would rather die of exhaustion than lose, he inspired all around him. I felt it was an honour to be associated with such a player.”
Keanes response
“Stuff like that almost insults me,” Keane said. “What am I supposed to do? Give up? Not cover every blade of grass? Not do my best for my teammates? Not do my best for my club?
“To be honest, I actually get offended when people throw quotes like that at me as if I’m supposed to be honoured by it. It’s like praising the postman for delivering your letters. He’s supposed to, isn’t he? That’s his job.
My job is to try and win football matches for Man United.” |
Robbie should stick that up in the dressing room. Tell the players to read it and that that s the attitude he wants from them. | |
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| Best pundit on 08:47 - Nov 7 with 3886 views | D_Alien |
| Best pundit on 07:57 - Nov 7 by James1980 |
Robbie should stick that up in the dressing room. Tell the players to read it and that that s the attitude he wants from them. |
It'd intimidate rather than inspire, especially young players trying to forge their own playing identity
wigibob is correct about why Keane missed that final, but he did miss a fair few games due to injuries resulting from his playing style (as well as causing opponents to miss games)
The nearest Dale have had recently would be Matty Lund, before he injured his shoulder. Before him, Shaun Reid
They're once in a generation types, at whatever level. Trying to have all players live up to that just wouldn't work, imo
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| Best pundit on 09:02 - Nov 7 with 3862 views | boromat |
| Best pundit on 08:47 - Nov 7 by D_Alien |
It'd intimidate rather than inspire, especially young players trying to forge their own playing identity
wigibob is correct about why Keane missed that final, but he did miss a fair few games due to injuries resulting from his playing style (as well as causing opponents to miss games)
The nearest Dale have had recently would be Matty Lund, before he injured his shoulder. Before him, Shaun Reid
They're once in a generation types, at whatever level. Trying to have all players live up to that just wouldn't work, imo
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Gary Jones is the player that comes to my mind! | |
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| Best pundit on 09:19 - Nov 7 with 3838 views | D_Alien |
| Best pundit on 09:02 - Nov 7 by boromat |
Gary Jones is the player that comes to my mind! |
I'd put him in a different category. Inspirational, certainly (coming on as sub away when 0-2 down at Accy springs to mind) but he didn't intimidate opponents by clattering into them | |
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| Best pundit on 09:46 - Nov 7 with 3778 views | TVOS1907 |
| Best pundit on 09:19 - Nov 7 by D_Alien |
I'd put him in a different category. Inspirational, certainly (coming on as sub away when 0-2 down at Accy springs to mind) but he didn't intimidate opponents by clattering into them |
Gary Jones played the whole game at Accrington.
Higginbotham and Toner were our used subs. |  |
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| Best pundit on 10:00 - Nov 7 with 3734 views | Dalenet |
| Best pundit on 09:46 - Nov 7 by TVOS1907 |
Gary Jones played the whole game at Accrington.
Higginbotham and Toner were our used subs. |
Indeed Higgy was our great saviour that day I seem to recall. Weren't we all drenched too from the walk to Accy to raise funds for the Bowlee training facility. | | | |
| Best pundit on 10:09 - Nov 7 with 3714 views | D_Alien |
| Best pundit on 10:00 - Nov 7 by Dalenet |
Indeed Higgy was our great saviour that day I seem to recall. Weren't we all drenched too from the walk to Accy to raise funds for the Bowlee training facility. |
We'd already turned it round to lead 2-3 before Higgy sealed it
Could've sworn Jonah came on as sub! | |
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| Best pundit on 10:14 - Nov 7 with 3681 views | boromat |
| Best pundit on 10:09 - Nov 7 by D_Alien |
We'd already turned it round to lead 2-3 before Higgy sealed it
Could've sworn Jonah came on as sub! |
Jonah was the type of midfielder who could grab a game by the scruff of its neck though. Maybe the way in which it was done differed slightly to Keane but Jonah was pretty physical and I don't think we've had anyone else who comes close for getting the team going. | |
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| Best pundit on 10:19 - Nov 7 with 3667 views | frenzied |
As a manager Keane must have found it incredibly frustrating to work with players who's attitudes were not of a similar ilk to his.
On you tube theres a short story re Peter Crouch and Roy Keane ...i can just imagine Keane behaving like that altho Crouch appreciated the sentiment behind it | | | |
| Best pundit on 10:21 - Nov 7 with 3666 views | judd |
| Best pundit on 10:14 - Nov 7 by boromat |
Jonah was the type of midfielder who could grab a game by the scruff of its neck though. Maybe the way in which it was done differed slightly to Keane but Jonah was pretty physical and I don't think we've had anyone else who comes close for getting the team going. |
I seem to remember the Shrewsbury manager saying Jones and Cooksey were horrible to play against. |  |
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| Best pundit on 10:23 - Nov 7 with 3658 views | D_Alien |
| Best pundit on 10:14 - Nov 7 by boromat |
Jonah was the type of midfielder who could grab a game by the scruff of its neck though. Maybe the way in which it was done differed slightly to Keane but Jonah was pretty physical and I don't think we've had anyone else who comes close for getting the team going. |
There's no doubting he pushed Dale through games over a long period of time. And did the same at Bradford
Might've expected him to take up a role in football when he'd hung his boots up, but i believe he went into care home work, which requires leadership too
One can see why Keane might've been difficult for players to cope with as a manager, after his initial success at Sunderland
Fascinating topic
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| Best pundit on 10:44 - Nov 7 with 3593 views | TVOS1907 |
| Best pundit on 10:09 - Nov 7 by D_Alien |
We'd already turned it round to lead 2-3 before Higgy sealed it
Could've sworn Jonah came on as sub! |
I think dalenet's referring to us being 2-0 down when Higginbotham came on. | |
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| Best pundit on 10:47 - Nov 7 with 3577 views | D_Alien |
| Best pundit on 10:44 - Nov 7 by TVOS1907 |
I think dalenet's referring to us being 2-0 down when Higginbotham came on. |
That's what i thought too
Query: was Jonah ever sent off? | |
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| Best pundit on 10:53 - Nov 7 with 3559 views | TVOS1907 |
| Best pundit on 10:47 - Nov 7 by D_Alien |
That's what i thought too
Query: was Jonah ever sent off? |
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| Best pundit on 11:05 - Nov 7 with 3536 views | D_Alien |
| Best pundit on 10:53 - Nov 7 by TVOS1907 |
Three times |
Cheers
And incidentally, did he miss a few games during the 09/10 season through injury? That's why i was thinking he made his re-appearance as a sub at Accy | |
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| Best pundit on 12:15 - Nov 7 with 3404 views | SuddenLad |
| Best pundit on 10:53 - Nov 7 by TVOS1907 |
Three times |
Wasn't one of them a 'mistaken identity'? (at Northampton maybe?) |  |
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| Best pundit on 12:20 - Nov 7 with 3388 views | TVOS1907 |
| Best pundit on 12:15 - Nov 7 by SuddenLad |
Wasn't one of them a 'mistaken identity'? (at Northampton maybe?) |
Yes, it was rescinded for some reason. | |
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| Best pundit on 20:43 - Nov 8 with 2958 views | James1980 |
| Best pundit on 08:47 - Nov 7 by D_Alien |
It'd intimidate rather than inspire, especially young players trying to forge their own playing identity
wigibob is correct about why Keane missed that final, but he did miss a fair few games due to injuries resulting from his playing style (as well as causing opponents to miss games)
The nearest Dale have had recently would be Matty Lund, before he injured his shoulder. Before him, Shaun Reid
They're once in a generation types, at whatever level. Trying to have all players live up to that just wouldn't work, imo
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Maybe something based on this in the dressing room would inspire,” Keane said. “What am I supposed to do? Give up? Not cover every blade of grass? Not do my best for my teammates? Not do my best for my club?
Cover every blade of grass, Do the best for your team mates, Do the best for your club. | |
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| Best pundit on 15:27 - Nov 9 with 2749 views | DaleiLama |
| Best pundit on 09:19 - Nov 7 by D_Alien |
I'd put him in a different category. Inspirational, certainly (coming on as sub away when 0-2 down at Accy springs to mind) but he didn't intimidate opponents by clattering into them |
.......... didn't intimidate opponents by clattering into them
And this supports the fact that neither are we. Subtract the inevitable "time-wasting" cards and we are either making an unbelievably small number of mis-timed tackles (hard to believe for such a young squad) or we are only dispossessing opponents via interceptions. More grit and "teeth" in midfield surely has to be on Robbie's wish-list come Jan?
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| Best pundit on 15:50 - Nov 9 with 2713 views | D_Alien |
| Best pundit on 15:27 - Nov 9 by DaleiLama |
.......... didn't intimidate opponents by clattering into them
And this supports the fact that neither are we. Subtract the inevitable "time-wasting" cards and we are either making an unbelievably small number of mis-timed tackles (hard to believe for such a young squad) or we are only dispossessing opponents via interceptions. More grit and "teeth" in midfield surely has to be on Robbie's wish-list come Jan?
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Hmmm..
The strange thing is that the Morley/Dooley midfield combo was working nicely just a short while ago, and they were picking up more than their fair share of interceptions then getting the ball forward
It's got to be worth giving that another run out now Dooley's back in action | |
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