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"“The evidence isn’t clear whether they can spread the virus to others. We are continuing to evaluate the evidence.”"
Well the evidence is now in, for a few months they slow the transmission and then they increase the likelyhood of infection and transmission. But you ignore the data.
If you want evidence of the danger of the vaccines I can provide it, but I suggest you get Keith's permission first.
Or this part of my post on page 1 for that matter.
"The bottom line is the vaccines reduced transmission of Covid progressively less efficiently through to it's evolutionry jump to Omicron. The vaccines have now been updated to incorporate the spike protein of an early variant of Omicron so they may reduce transmission again for a little while. There was a value to covid passports to reduce transmission up until about this time last year, although that value dimished from Spring 2021"
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 12:08 - Oct 20 with 1115 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 11:25 - Oct 20 by Scotia
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 21:52 - Oct 12 with 762 views Scotia
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 21:31 - Oct 12 by hobo
It's a shame the covid thread was deleted as there was a load of users here claiming the same thing. Yourself included if I'm not mistaken.
Anyway, take your pick
I don't need to take my pick. They're all sound bites of people saying transmission will be reduced and so will serious illness and death. They're absolutely right.
The only dated one is from before Delta when reduction in transmission was at its peak. Everything regarding transmission is irrelevant after that point, that's just evolution. Unfortunately most Anti-vaxers are yet to experience this.
So, still waiting for some evidence of someone from Pfizer claiming their vaccine would stop transmission?
Or has this Dutch far right politician just made up an answer to his own question?
The above is my reply to these soundbites being posted on page 2 of this thread.
Do keep up.
So the president of the USA, the director of the CDC and Dr Fauci, (the USA Vaccine expert) all saying it stops transmission is not good enough evidence that a western government said they stop transmission for you.
OK Bye.
[Post edited 20 Oct 2022 12:08]
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 14:08 - Oct 20 with 1084 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 12:08 - Oct 20 by A_Fans_Dad
So the president of the USA, the director of the CDC and Dr Fauci, (the USA Vaccine expert) all saying it stops transmission is not good enough evidence that a western government said they stop transmission for you.
OK Bye.
[Post edited 20 Oct 2022 12:08]
Neither Fauci nor the director of the CDC are members of the government anymore so than Prof Whitty and the CEO of the NHS are in the UK. Biden did not say it completely stops transmission, he said vaccinated people are at a very low risk of getting Covid 19.
That is also just a soundbite of Fauci - his full "dead end" statement says it doesn't compleltely stop transmission. The CDC also retracted the directors statement within days of it being made.
So no it's not good enough evidence because the only member of a western government in that link makes no such claim whatsoever.
All the sound bites also pre-date Delta becoming dominant in the US, not to mention Omicron and whatever variant comes next. None of them would say similar today.
To paraphrase the original twitter message. It isn't a shame that went viral, it's a shame it's been misunderstood and misrepresented by the usual suspects.
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 14:45 - Oct 20 with 1072 views
So for all you geniuses out there-show me an ethical clinical trial that can show effects on transmission without large number of people voluntarily infected with, at time of the vaccine trials, was a pathogen with unknown mortality.
Of course the vaccine lowers transmission, even for Omicron as people are infected for shorter periods of time. Whilst the original vaccine has become less effective against transmission of newer variants, it was pretty useful against the Wuhan, Alpha and even Delta variants. The newer bivalent vaccines should decrease transmission again. Some of you really need to learn a bit of real science, not the horrendous dark money rubbish you gobble up.
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 16:57 - Oct 20 with 1052 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 12:08 - Oct 20 by A_Fans_Dad
So the president of the USA, the director of the CDC and Dr Fauci, (the USA Vaccine expert) all saying it stops transmission is not good enough evidence that a western government said they stop transmission for you.
OK Bye.
[Post edited 20 Oct 2022 12:08]
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 17:19 - Oct 20 with 1042 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 14:45 - Oct 20 by Sandanista
Same people. Same misinformed crap.
So for all you geniuses out there-show me an ethical clinical trial that can show effects on transmission without large number of people voluntarily infected with, at time of the vaccine trials, was a pathogen with unknown mortality.
Of course the vaccine lowers transmission, even for Omicron as people are infected for shorter periods of time. Whilst the original vaccine has become less effective against transmission of newer variants, it was pretty useful against the Wuhan, Alpha and even Delta variants. The newer bivalent vaccines should decrease transmission again. Some of you really need to learn a bit of real science, not the horrendous dark money rubbish you gobble up.
How can it possibly stop transmission when most ppl who have it have been vaccinated?
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 17:31 - Oct 20 with 1040 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 10:32 - Oct 21 by controversial_jack
Any immunity has gone now. it lasts about 3 or 4 months at best. The 4th won't be a booster it will be starting all over again
Prevention of severe illness lasts much longer than that. Immunity is negligible with Omicron as far as I know when the original vaccines are considered. The bottom line is it will keep mutating and the vaccines will keep changing.
This has got to be about the tenth time you've raised this to be told exactly the same thing.
Whether or not it's a "booster" is a moot point. It's just a word. Vaccines are likely to be needed frequently, especially by the vulnerable. It's not an issue getting a vaccine for flu, it shouldn't be for covid.
That's been the story since day one.
The anti-vaxxers have nothing left, so they dream up falsehoods like this entire thread.
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 15:04 - Oct 21 with 933 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 10:32 - Oct 21 by controversial_jack
Any immunity has gone now. it lasts about 3 or 4 months at best. The 4th won't be a booster it will be starting all over again
No.
Neutralising antibody levels drop which effectively reduce the capacity to prevent infection. T and B lymphocyte memory cells remain. These mount an effective secondary immune response which controls infection and vastly reduces risk of severe illness.
Additional boosters will enhance this as well as increase antibody levels to a greater level. How successful the bivalent vaccine is remains to be seen.
Problem is contro, and not a slight on you as your unique in your outlook from a very left wing perspective, most of the 'free thinking' types who post this nonsense are getting Information from money grubbing social media platform 'experts' like Nurse "Dr" John Campbell (PhD in nurse education from University of Bolton) or from nutters like Icke/Right said Fred/Matt Le Tissier who are talking out of their back passage.
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 15:23 - Oct 21 with 928 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 15:04 - Oct 21 by Sandanista
No.
Neutralising antibody levels drop which effectively reduce the capacity to prevent infection. T and B lymphocyte memory cells remain. These mount an effective secondary immune response which controls infection and vastly reduces risk of severe illness.
Additional boosters will enhance this as well as increase antibody levels to a greater level. How successful the bivalent vaccine is remains to be seen.
Problem is contro, and not a slight on you as your unique in your outlook from a very left wing perspective, most of the 'free thinking' types who post this nonsense are getting Information from money grubbing social media platform 'experts' like Nurse "Dr" John Campbell (PhD in nurse education from University of Bolton) or from nutters like Icke/Right said Fred/Matt Le Tissier who are talking out of their back passage.
I can assure you, I am not a conspiracy nut and have had my info from reputable sources
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 15:37 - Oct 21 with 919 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 15:04 - Oct 21 by Sandanista
No.
Neutralising antibody levels drop which effectively reduce the capacity to prevent infection. T and B lymphocyte memory cells remain. These mount an effective secondary immune response which controls infection and vastly reduces risk of severe illness.
Additional boosters will enhance this as well as increase antibody levels to a greater level. How successful the bivalent vaccine is remains to be seen.
Problem is contro, and not a slight on you as your unique in your outlook from a very left wing perspective, most of the 'free thinking' types who post this nonsense are getting Information from money grubbing social media platform 'experts' like Nurse "Dr" John Campbell (PhD in nurse education from University of Bolton) or from nutters like Icke/Right said Fred/Matt Le Tissier who are talking out of their back passage.
I won't beat around the bush, are you the professor who formerly posted on here? The first paragraph seems a bit of a giveaway for me.
[Post edited 22 Oct 2022 0:53]
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 07:56 - Oct 22 with 843 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 15:04 - Oct 21 by Sandanista
No.
Neutralising antibody levels drop which effectively reduce the capacity to prevent infection. T and B lymphocyte memory cells remain. These mount an effective secondary immune response which controls infection and vastly reduces risk of severe illness.
Additional boosters will enhance this as well as increase antibody levels to a greater level. How successful the bivalent vaccine is remains to be seen.
Problem is contro, and not a slight on you as your unique in your outlook from a very left wing perspective, most of the 'free thinking' types who post this nonsense are getting Information from money grubbing social media platform 'experts' like Nurse "Dr" John Campbell (PhD in nurse education from University of Bolton) or from nutters like Icke/Right said Fred/Matt Le Tissier who are talking out of their back passage.
I'd like to stick "Dr" Campbell 's gold youtube award and his vitamins where the sun doesn't shine.
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 01:50 - Oct 25 with 758 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 14:45 - Oct 20 by Sandanista
Same people. Same misinformed crap.
So for all you geniuses out there-show me an ethical clinical trial that can show effects on transmission without large number of people voluntarily infected with, at time of the vaccine trials, was a pathogen with unknown mortality.
Of course the vaccine lowers transmission, even for Omicron as people are infected for shorter periods of time. Whilst the original vaccine has become less effective against transmission of newer variants, it was pretty useful against the Wuhan, Alpha and even Delta variants. The newer bivalent vaccines should decrease transmission again. Some of you really need to learn a bit of real science, not the horrendous dark money rubbish you gobble up.
The problem with that attempt at a slam dunk on "us geniuses" is that - last year - we were getting pummeled with propaganda from the people we are SUPPOSED to trust that those clinical trials were indeed made, and were a rousing success. And if we dare question these people, based on the apparent fact that large scale clinical trials were not even possible, we were science deniers. Neanderthals. Who wanted to kill grandma.
This is what Americans were told by the director of the Center for Disease Control (someone who is - by virtue of her title - inarguably more qualified than anyone else in America to talk about this) in April 2021:
"Vaccinated people don't carry the virus, don't get sick."
Nothing about reducing transmission or lessening sickness. These are absolute statements. Told to America. 90% of whom are common rubes lacking in your vast knowledge of medicine; and who therefore were under the crazy assumption that "don't" means "don't."
Then she says, "AND IT'S NOT JUST IN THE CLINICAL TRIALS, it's in the real world data." So basically, you seem to be saying SHE LIED.
Which was the whole point of this thread.
PS - Walensky tested positive for COVID last week.
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 01:50 - Oct 25 by Tummer_from_Texas
The problem with that attempt at a slam dunk on "us geniuses" is that - last year - we were getting pummeled with propaganda from the people we are SUPPOSED to trust that those clinical trials were indeed made, and were a rousing success. And if we dare question these people, based on the apparent fact that large scale clinical trials were not even possible, we were science deniers. Neanderthals. Who wanted to kill grandma.
This is what Americans were told by the director of the Center for Disease Control (someone who is - by virtue of her title - inarguably more qualified than anyone else in America to talk about this) in April 2021:
"Vaccinated people don't carry the virus, don't get sick."
Nothing about reducing transmission or lessening sickness. These are absolute statements. Told to America. 90% of whom are common rubes lacking in your vast knowledge of medicine; and who therefore were under the crazy assumption that "don't" means "don't."
Then she says, "AND IT'S NOT JUST IN THE CLINICAL TRIALS, it's in the real world data." So basically, you seem to be saying SHE LIED.
Which was the whole point of this thread.
PS - Walensky tested positive for COVID last week.
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Surely the whole point of this thread was the MEP delivering this amzing piece of news that the vaccine was not tested on stopping transmission? It wasn't and nobody ever claimed it was, except seemingly him and everyone who has subsequently jumped on it.
That clip is also from April 2021, when the Alpha variant was in circulation. She isn't correct, but not too far off based on the variant in circualtion at the time. Her statement in this news piece was also retracted by the CDC within hours saying she spoke "broadly " about the vaccine's effects and data was still being evaluated.
After the Delta variant became dominant that Summer the CDC said:-
"Although the vaccines continue to provide strong protection against severe disease and death, fully vaccinated people can be infected by, and transmit, Delta"
You haven't been lied to unless you join parts of a story together to produce a lie. Which is exactly what all the anti-vaxxers and most conspiracy theorists do, and is exactly what this thread has done.
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 13:49 - Oct 25 with 663 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 07:51 - Oct 25 by Scotia
Surely the whole point of this thread was the MEP delivering this amzing piece of news that the vaccine was not tested on stopping transmission? It wasn't and nobody ever claimed it was, except seemingly him and everyone who has subsequently jumped on it.
That clip is also from April 2021, when the Alpha variant was in circulation. She isn't correct, but not too far off based on the variant in circualtion at the time. Her statement in this news piece was also retracted by the CDC within hours saying she spoke "broadly " about the vaccine's effects and data was still being evaluated.
After the Delta variant became dominant that Summer the CDC said:-
"Although the vaccines continue to provide strong protection against severe disease and death, fully vaccinated people can be infected by, and transmit, Delta"
You haven't been lied to unless you join parts of a story together to produce a lie. Which is exactly what all the anti-vaxxers and most conspiracy theorists do, and is exactly what this thread has done.
Brian washed
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 13:57 - Oct 25 with 660 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 13:57 - Oct 25 by Scotia
By what exactly? Science?
By your inability to admit when you are wrong.
You've been arguing this whole thread that nobody ever claimed there were clinical trials to show that the vaccines could prevent transmission. I've just given you proof of someone saying EXACTLY THAT. And she's the Director of the Center for Disease Control, making her the most qualified person in America to make such a claim.
Now you want to brush that off as "she isn't correct, but not too far off." No, she told a flat out ****ing lie. Which the Dutch MEP has now proven in his questioning of a Pfizer director.
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 16:03 - Oct 25 by Tummer_from_Texas
By your inability to admit when you are wrong.
You've been arguing this whole thread that nobody ever claimed there were clinical trials to show that the vaccines could prevent transmission. I've just given you proof of someone saying EXACTLY THAT. And she's the Director of the Center for Disease Control, making her the most qualified person in America to make such a claim.
Now you want to brush that off as "she isn't correct, but not too far off." No, she told a flat out ****ing lie. Which the Dutch MEP has now proven in his questioning of a Pfizer director.
[Post edited 25 Oct 2022 16:36]
That isn't what you've given at all and it only becomes a lie if you join disparate threads of the the same story together and then make a massive leap to interpret it as a lie.
Not only that, but a "lie" that was corrected by her organisation within hours. and this constitutes some sort of massive coercion of the people?
The trials of the mRNA vaccines, which I assume she refers to as they are primarlily the ones used in the states, at this relevant time in early 2021 showed that 95% of fully vaccinated people did not develop symptomatic covid 19 and 100 % of them didn't develop severe covid. They were set up to assess this and nothing more, not whether you were infected or infectious. This wasn't tested. But if you displayed symptoms.
The aims, methods and results of the trials was absolutely clear from the data released. All the MEP had to do to answer his question was read this. I'll be honest I suspect he had but misunderstood it, perhaps deliberately. This gave rise to this thread. All you had to do was read the same, it's in the public domain.
Walensky said "Our data from the DCDC suggest that vaccinated people don't carry the virus and don't get sick.....not just in the clinical trail but in real world data"
Firstly she is completley correct about them not getting sick, are you "sick" if you have a mild cold which the trial data showed 5% of vaccinate people get? I would say that you aren't. 100% of vaccinated people in the trial did not get severe Covid. Even if you consider mild cold symptoms or even flu symptoms to be sick then just 5% of peole developed these.
She makes no mention of transmission merely "carrying the virus" this part is wrong and was corrected. She probably should have said something about "reducing" and she didn't. But this was corrected by her organisation.
She was correct in her reference to the clinical trial in how they were set up, they were aimed at assessing illness. There is no lie there, as I've said that is available for anyone to read.
This is a 30 second clip of a TV interview, I really doubt she had time to give anything more than a brief overview which is what she did.
So, in what is now 5 pages we have one subsequently corrected 30 second interview clip, that makes no reference to preventing transmission of covid or the trials being set up to prove this. That's it.
Surely if this was a conspiracy there'd be loads available and not just from the US?
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Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 13:06 - Oct 26 with 565 views
Pfizer director admits: vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. on 08:09 - Oct 26 by Scotia
That isn't what you've given at all and it only becomes a lie if you join disparate threads of the the same story together and then make a massive leap to interpret it as a lie.
Not only that, but a "lie" that was corrected by her organisation within hours. and this constitutes some sort of massive coercion of the people?
The trials of the mRNA vaccines, which I assume she refers to as they are primarlily the ones used in the states, at this relevant time in early 2021 showed that 95% of fully vaccinated people did not develop symptomatic covid 19 and 100 % of them didn't develop severe covid. They were set up to assess this and nothing more, not whether you were infected or infectious. This wasn't tested. But if you displayed symptoms.
The aims, methods and results of the trials was absolutely clear from the data released. All the MEP had to do to answer his question was read this. I'll be honest I suspect he had but misunderstood it, perhaps deliberately. This gave rise to this thread. All you had to do was read the same, it's in the public domain.
Walensky said "Our data from the DCDC suggest that vaccinated people don't carry the virus and don't get sick.....not just in the clinical trail but in real world data"
Firstly she is completley correct about them not getting sick, are you "sick" if you have a mild cold which the trial data showed 5% of vaccinate people get? I would say that you aren't. 100% of vaccinated people in the trial did not get severe Covid. Even if you consider mild cold symptoms or even flu symptoms to be sick then just 5% of peole developed these.
She makes no mention of transmission merely "carrying the virus" this part is wrong and was corrected. She probably should have said something about "reducing" and she didn't. But this was corrected by her organisation.
She was correct in her reference to the clinical trial in how they were set up, they were aimed at assessing illness. There is no lie there, as I've said that is available for anyone to read.
This is a 30 second clip of a TV interview, I really doubt she had time to give anything more than a brief overview which is what she did.
So, in what is now 5 pages we have one subsequently corrected 30 second interview clip, that makes no reference to preventing transmission of covid or the trials being set up to prove this. That's it.
Surely if this was a conspiracy there'd be loads available and not just from the US?
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