| Time to act 19:26 - Dec 17 with 12408 views | GowertonJack68 |
Stuart James's tweet summed it up perfectly
“Swansea are in a mess”
“A mess of their own doing, yet nobody is held accountable. In fact, the answer to wasting millions is to get the fans to pay more. A regime that is out of touch & desperately lacking football expertise”
Surely now is time for fans to unite and demonstrate our anger at the owners. Perhaps a boycott of the next home game could bring them the bad publicity that they despise?!
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| Time to act on 16:35 - Dec 19 with 1570 views | Whiterockin |
| Time to act on 16:26 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If any one wants to act then join the club ownership. It only costs £10. Then once a member propose a item on the agenda for 'vote of no confidence' in the club management. The membership can vote on it.
This in my opinion is highly premature as they have not yet had much time to settle in. In the Jenkinista era his first steps were wrong in employing Nick Cusack. Jenkins took decisive action and then went on a 13 year run of success. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 16:33]
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Your post really shows that you know absolutely nothing about the trust and its workings. It costs no more than £5 a year to join and for many it is less or even free. Your thoughts and opinions about them is not factual and way out of date. You really need to do some thorough research or leave the subject alone and stop embarrassing yourself. |  | | |
| Time to act on 16:39 - Dec 19 with 1557 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
There are two example in here of using insulting words for nationalities who are effectively keeping the club afloat.
This is from the more hysterical posters. "septics" "septic tank". This is not acceptable to me and breaks the rules of the site. There are other sites where this is tolerated. |  |
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| Time to act on 17:02 - Dec 19 with 1506 views | EagleEye |
| Time to act on 16:39 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
There are two example in here of using insulting words for nationalities who are effectively keeping the club afloat.
This is from the more hysterical posters. "septics" "septic tank". This is not acceptable to me and breaks the rules of the site. There are other sites where this is tolerated. |
The term ‘yank’ should not be viewed as a derogatory or insulting term. You should do some research on why the people of Swansea use this word to describe folk from the USA - I’ll give you a clue research the history of Swansea starting with WW2 |  | | |
| Time to act on 17:44 - Dec 19 with 1447 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Time to act on 16:39 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
There are two example in here of using insulting words for nationalities who are effectively keeping the club afloat.
This is from the more hysterical posters. "septics" "septic tank". This is not acceptable to me and breaks the rules of the site. There are other sites where this is tolerated. |
I think they're yanking your chain. It's a bit rich coming from you who has insulted thousands of Jacks by calling them such things as thick and dozy. You also show quite a bit of disdain for English people, maybe you should watch your own posting before moaning about others.
Unless you can explain why a lawyer from South East England is worse than one from anywhere else? | | | |
| Time to act on 18:02 - Dec 19 with 1414 views | angryjack |
| Time to act on 16:39 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
There are two example in here of using insulting words for nationalities who are effectively keeping the club afloat.
This is from the more hysterical posters. "septics" "septic tank". This is not acceptable to me and breaks the rules of the site. There are other sites where this is tolerated. |
Stopb being a snowflake..keeping our club afloat..wtf you on about,slowly taking us put of business and down and down.. | | | |
| Time to act on 18:08 - Dec 19 with 1404 views | angryjack |
| Time to act on 16:18 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
How they get their money matters an awful lot. You are not thinking properly. Before talking why not explain your weak theory. (One guy of SCFC2 suggested the club had 100 phantom zombie workers that existed on paper but not in reality. He was taken seriously for a while).
For example talking hypothetically they could take money by stealing it. This would be illegal and they would be charged by the UK authorities. Their reputation would sink like a stone. Levien and especially Kaplan have excellent business reputations. The Trust would be implicated also. As one theory this is "with the fairies".
So have they taken dividends? No never. Silverstein confirmed this
Consultancy fees will all be in the accounts.
Over paying Coleman and Gude and taking a cut. Small potatoes Simply not worth the hassle. Neither of these guys would accept such as scam.
If you can back up your words then explain your theory.
Making money is damn hard with monthly trading losses due to playing people like Grimes huge money he is not earning at the moment. When you are captain you take charge of the free kick Boro scored from. Instead he left it to Captain in waiting Darling who messed it up. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 16:19]
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Going back to that freekick,it shouldn't Bern grimes and it shouldn't have been darling charging the ball down,it should have been Rishworth as he is the only one who can make his body bigger and use his hands,baffles me that a pro club don't act out these scenarios in case it ever happens..would have had much more of a chance if it was the keeper.. | | | |
| Time to act on 18:10 - Dec 19 with 1397 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to act on 17:44 - Dec 19 by SullutaCreturned |
I think they're yanking your chain. It's a bit rich coming from you who has insulted thousands of Jacks by calling them such things as thick and dozy. You also show quite a bit of disdain for English people, maybe you should watch your own posting before moaning about others.
Unless you can explain why a lawyer from South East England is worse than one from anywhere else? |
I have never shown disdain for English people. I resent that comment. I have English cousins whom l love deary. I resent English drunks who hurl ethnic slurs such as those at the darts.
English lawyer do a good job. They live a good life, some of that out of the misery and foolishness of others. SCST were bequeathed £21m by Huw Jenkins and co. Not only did he and his colleagues create great wealth they also introduced them to US buyers with bulging wallets TWICE.
I do not blame the individuals. I blame the 1000 or so members who did not think they should sell any shares having gained a 10,000% return. I am happy to sell with 5% annual return.
The beneficiaries of the SCST should be in south west Wales. The biggest payments made by SCST were outside the region to the already well healed. London is a wealth vortex. All my taxes go there. It was a horrible waste of money. No one has apologised.
Until they admit their errors they will see no mony of mine. I gave them £5 in 2002. | |
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| Time to act on 18:33 - Dec 19 with 1360 views | shingle |
| Time to act on 19:40 - Dec 17 by pembsjack |
Demonstrate agianst who and how? Those that matter are over the pond looking at balance sheets, not caring what's going on here. All these people they are managing to find roles for at the club are just buffers to keep blame and anger away from the real owners and shot callers in the states. |
The delusional lot from our fan base will be saying your a Judas and not a real fan with posts like that, but you are quite correct in what you say of course. | | | |
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| Time to act on 18:46 - Dec 19 with 1347 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to act on 18:02 - Dec 19 by angryjack |
Stopb being a snowflake..keeping our club afloat..wtf you on about,slowly taking us put of business and down and down.. |
If you call our owners a 'sceptic tank' again I will report you. Americans are Welsh are easy targets for ethnic slurs. Swansea city is an US-Welsh football club like Wrexham.
Forum people are quite happy slagging off Welsh people and American but show deference to the English. Even English bigots | |
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| Time to act on 18:56 - Dec 19 with 1322 views | scruffyjack |
| Time to act on 18:10 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I have never shown disdain for English people. I resent that comment. I have English cousins whom l love deary. I resent English drunks who hurl ethnic slurs such as those at the darts.
English lawyer do a good job. They live a good life, some of that out of the misery and foolishness of others. SCST were bequeathed £21m by Huw Jenkins and co. Not only did he and his colleagues create great wealth they also introduced them to US buyers with bulging wallets TWICE.
I do not blame the individuals. I blame the 1000 or so members who did not think they should sell any shares having gained a 10,000% return. I am happy to sell with 5% annual return.
The beneficiaries of the SCST should be in south west Wales. The biggest payments made by SCST were outside the region to the already well healed. London is a wealth vortex. All my taxes go there. It was a horrible waste of money. No one has apologised.
Until they admit their errors they will see no mony of mine. I gave them £5 in 2002. |
The supporters trust did turn down the first approach by American buyers, but were never included in the subsequent sale to the current owners.
The trust were made aware, by Martin Morgan and Brian Catzen, of an interest in investment by a Chinese company, which was subsequently turned down by the rest of the board, as a deal had already been struck with the Americans.
You’ve got a massive axe to grind with the trust, but these are the facts, so put that in your pipe and have a puff. | | | |
| Time to act on 19:04 - Dec 19 with 1314 views | onehunglow |
| Time to act on 18:10 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I have never shown disdain for English people. I resent that comment. I have English cousins whom l love deary. I resent English drunks who hurl ethnic slurs such as those at the darts.
English lawyer do a good job. They live a good life, some of that out of the misery and foolishness of others. SCST were bequeathed £21m by Huw Jenkins and co. Not only did he and his colleagues create great wealth they also introduced them to US buyers with bulging wallets TWICE.
I do not blame the individuals. I blame the 1000 or so members who did not think they should sell any shares having gained a 10,000% return. I am happy to sell with 5% annual return.
The beneficiaries of the SCST should be in south west Wales. The biggest payments made by SCST were outside the region to the already well healed. London is a wealth vortex. All my taxes go there. It was a horrible waste of money. No one has apologised.
Until they admit their errors they will see no mony of mine. I gave them £5 in 2002. |
You can resent it as much as I resent you doing so. | |
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| Time to act on 19:18 - Dec 19 with 1293 views | Fireboy2 |
| Time to act on 18:33 - Dec 19 by shingle |
The delusional lot from our fan base will be saying your a Judas and not a real fan with posts like that, but you are quite correct in what you say of course. |
Do not feed the troll. |  | | |
| Time to act on 19:41 - Dec 19 with 1250 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to act on 18:56 - Dec 19 by scruffyjack |
The supporters trust did turn down the first approach by American buyers, but were never included in the subsequent sale to the current owners.
The trust were made aware, by Martin Morgan and Brian Catzen, of an interest in investment by a Chinese company, which was subsequently turned down by the rest of the board, as a deal had already been struck with the Americans.
You’ve got a massive axe to grind with the trust, but these are the facts, so put that in your pipe and have a puff. |
The Trust were introduced to the first US potential buyers in February 2015. They stated very clearly that their shares were not up for sale and 'never would be'. It was reported in the press and no one in the Trust objected to the position. The memberhip were not consulted and no sale would be possible (as I understand it) unless the Trust got a mandate from the members. This could take well over 6 months.
New interested parties contacted the club later in 2015 and were told of the Trusts position which had not changed. In March 2016 they were introduced to Levien and Kaplan and were asked if they wanted to sell. They got no reply. They did not have the view of the membership. They were not prepared.
Selling is not easy. In order to sell you must first work out if you want to sell and at what price. It took them months and months to get ready and by the time they were ready the US owners no longer wanted to buy as the club were in deep relegation problems.
This is life. The failure to sell was due to poor management. Their own fault. The membership were not driving the organisation. They were freewheeling. | |
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| Time to act on 19:56 - Dec 19 with 1229 views | majorraglan |
| Time to act on 16:18 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
How they get their money matters an awful lot. You are not thinking properly. Before talking why not explain your weak theory. (One guy of SCFC2 suggested the club had 100 phantom zombie workers that existed on paper but not in reality. He was taken seriously for a while).
For example talking hypothetically they could take money by stealing it. This would be illegal and they would be charged by the UK authorities. Their reputation would sink like a stone. Levien and especially Kaplan have excellent business reputations. The Trust would be implicated also. As one theory this is "with the fairies".
So have they taken dividends? No never. Silverstein confirmed this
Consultancy fees will all be in the accounts.
Over paying Coleman and Gude and taking a cut. Small potatoes Simply not worth the hassle. Neither of these guys would accept such as scam.
If you can back up your words then explain your theory.
Making money is damn hard with monthly trading losses due to playing people like Grimes huge money he is not earning at the moment. When you are captain you take charge of the free kick Boro scored from. Instead he left it to Captain in waiting Darling who messed it up. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 16:19]
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Can you confirm the publish accounts shared with the Supporters Trust goes in to the level of detail necessary to show consultancy fees? | | | |
| Time to act on 19:58 - Dec 19 with 1222 views | KeithHaynes |
| Time to act on 19:56 - Dec 19 by majorraglan |
Can you confirm the publish accounts shared with the Supporters Trust goes in to the level of detail necessary to show consultancy fees? |
The accounts reflect very little and things like that and the real info people want is rarely if at all declared. |  |
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| Time to act on 21:36 - Dec 19 with 1136 views | Whiterockin |
| Time to act on 19:41 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Trust were introduced to the first US potential buyers in February 2015. They stated very clearly that their shares were not up for sale and 'never would be'. It was reported in the press and no one in the Trust objected to the position. The memberhip were not consulted and no sale would be possible (as I understand it) unless the Trust got a mandate from the members. This could take well over 6 months.
New interested parties contacted the club later in 2015 and were told of the Trusts position which had not changed. In March 2016 they were introduced to Levien and Kaplan and were asked if they wanted to sell. They got no reply. They did not have the view of the membership. They were not prepared.
Selling is not easy. In order to sell you must first work out if you want to sell and at what price. It took them months and months to get ready and by the time they were ready the US owners no longer wanted to buy as the club were in deep relegation problems.
This is life. The failure to sell was due to poor management. Their own fault. The membership were not driving the organisation. They were freewheeling. |
I have shown to you many times that the trust were prepared to talk to the current owners, with the possibility of selling if it was beneficial to the club. You continually chose to ignore this because it suits your agenda. If you check the trust website history you will find it. But as always you post without doing your research. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 22:01]
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| Time to act on 22:07 - Dec 19 with 1077 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to act on 17:02 - Dec 19 by EagleEye |
The term ‘yank’ should not be viewed as a derogatory or insulting term. You should do some research on why the people of Swansea use this word to describe folk from the USA - I’ll give you a clue research the history of Swansea starting with WW2 |
'Septic tank' for Yank is OK is it.?
Try this what about "head lice" for the Saes. Is that OK? No both are about of order.
I never like going over the bridge to play the 'head lice' know what I mean Gvnor? Its not good . [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 22:10]
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| Time to act on 22:19 - Dec 19 with 1025 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to act on 19:56 - Dec 19 by majorraglan |
Can you confirm the publish accounts shared with the Supporters Trust goes in to the level of detail necessary to show consultancy fees? |
I am not an accountant.
The published accounts should detail all outgoings including consultancy fees. If there was an effort to disguise these fees the cost would show up in increased costs elsewhere or an item called "miscellaneous one off items" perhaps?
I recall firms had to identify the highest paid administrator. That would be Mr Coleman.
An accountant can give a better reply. | |
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| Time to act on 22:25 - Dec 19 with 1009 views | BillyChong |
| Time to act on 16:26 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
If any one wants to act then join the club ownership. It only costs £10. Then once a member propose a item on the agenda for 'vote of no confidence' in the club management. The membership can vote on it.
This in my opinion is highly premature as they have not yet had much time to settle in. In the Jenkinista era his first steps were wrong in employing Nick Cusack. Jenkins took decisive action and then went on a 13 year run of success. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 16:33]
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Premature? This has been inevitable to anyone who’s seen through the Americans so called model. It was destined to fail once the talent pool dried up and the luck ran out with appointing manager’s with a bit of potential.
Bulging wallets? Where are they? The owners have funded everything through parachute payments and player sales. How much of their own money have they actually used to improve the team?
If they look to find more ‘investors’ via convertible loan notes and the like how long before existing shareholders say no more to their shares being diluted further. | | | |
| Time to act on 22:26 - Dec 19 with 1008 views | EagleEye |
| Time to act on 22:07 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
'Septic tank' for Yank is OK is it.?
Try this what about "head lice" for the Saes. Is that OK? No both are about of order.
I never like going over the bridge to play the 'head lice' know what I mean Gvnor? Its not good . [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 22:10]
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Do you think that Swans fans from Neath or Llanelli or Port Talbot feel insulted by being called Jacks by other fans ? Grow up & get a grip up ffs | | | |
| Time to act on 22:34 - Dec 19 with 987 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to act on 21:36 - Dec 19 by Whiterockin |
I have shown to you many times that the trust were prepared to talk to the current owners, with the possibility of selling if it was beneficial to the club. You continually chose to ignore this because it suits your agenda. If you check the trust website history you will find it. But as always you post without doing your research. [Post edited 19 Dec 2023 22:01]
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The Trust report on the 2016 confirms they did not want to sell their shares.
In 2015 they said "they would never sell their shares".
In 2016 from memory they stated "It has to be stated selling our share is not our prefered option" or words to that effect. .
Talks in 2017 failed as well. After four months the buyers pulled out blaming the Trust . It should not take that long.
You have to want to sell to sell. | |
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| Time to act on 22:49 - Dec 19 with 967 views | Boundy |
| Time to act on 22:19 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am not an accountant.
The published accounts should detail all outgoings including consultancy fees. If there was an effort to disguise these fees the cost would show up in increased costs elsewhere or an item called "miscellaneous one off items" perhaps?
I recall firms had to identify the highest paid administrator. That would be Mr Coleman.
An accountant can give a better reply. |
You may not be but you often use scenarios , so why not now | |
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| Time to act on 23:37 - Dec 19 with 919 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Time to act on 22:49 - Dec 19 by Boundy |
You may not be but you often use scenarios , so why not now |
I have given my view but agree I am not the most experienced in these matters. I would defer to to a trained accountant if they corrected me or added detail and certainty.
If for example $2m was diverted to the LLP in inflated consultancy fees it would be pretty hard to hide in my estimation.
A trained accountant might of course be loathe to come on here and explain the "tricks of their trade" If there are any. | |
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| Time to act on 08:03 - Dec 20 with 815 views | pencoedjack |
| Time to act on 18:10 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I have never shown disdain for English people. I resent that comment. I have English cousins whom l love deary. I resent English drunks who hurl ethnic slurs such as those at the darts.
English lawyer do a good job. They live a good life, some of that out of the misery and foolishness of others. SCST were bequeathed £21m by Huw Jenkins and co. Not only did he and his colleagues create great wealth they also introduced them to US buyers with bulging wallets TWICE.
I do not blame the individuals. I blame the 1000 or so members who did not think they should sell any shares having gained a 10,000% return. I am happy to sell with 5% annual return.
The beneficiaries of the SCST should be in south west Wales. The biggest payments made by SCST were outside the region to the already well healed. London is a wealth vortex. All my taxes go there. It was a horrible waste of money. No one has apologised.
Until they admit their errors they will see no mony of mine. I gave them £5 in 2002. |
I think we all know you are lying Taff. |  | | |
| Time to act on 08:06 - Dec 20 with 801 views | majorraglan |
| Time to act on 22:19 - Dec 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I am not an accountant.
The published accounts should detail all outgoings including consultancy fees. If there was an effort to disguise these fees the cost would show up in increased costs elsewhere or an item called "miscellaneous one off items" perhaps?
I recall firms had to identify the highest paid administrator. That would be Mr Coleman.
An accountant can give a better reply. |
Have you looked at the accounts? | | | |
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