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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 14:21 - Jan 20 by KeithHaynes
All I can say is they are openly with WSMA. A licensed agency connected to a very good agent called David Jimenez, he is a good guy. They have been signed up since they turned 18. I would imagine WSMA see them both as an easy transfer with Spurs allegedly interested plus others. With their contracts running out in March (12th) it is a case of the Swans offering them more or they will move on. Then the fact they are academy products will end up either being negotiated between clubs as happened with Iwan Morgan to Brentford (now on loan at Shrewsbury) or a fee applied by a hearing.
The only issue is do these two fancy going to the same club on more money and let’s be honest an elite academy or can the Swans negotiate terms. Simple as that really. As for parents from the call I’ve made today they are certainly good people who since their kids have been on the journey to be a pro footballer they have supported them 100%. Really they should be signed up professionally unless the club are happy to lose two very talented players in March.
Are the Swansea lads K?
They need to remember that just because it’s a big club the chances of early success is low (you mentioned Iwan Roberts). And homesickness can play a huge part at that age. Maybe if we can get to Cat 1 status and pay them a bit more that may tempt them to stay.
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 15:31 - Jan 20 by union_jack
Are the Swansea lads K?
They need to remember that just because it’s a big club the chances of early success is low (you mentioned Iwan Roberts). And homesickness can play a huge part at that age. Maybe if we can get to Cat 1 status and pay them a bit more that may tempt them to stay.
If we have already starred it will still take two years to get to Cat1 because off the necessary appraisals over the time period. At 18 you don't want to wait and there is no guarantee.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 16:24 - Jan 20 with 1180 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 14:27 - Jan 20 by Whiterockin
Today is miles away from the dark days when first division clubs came knocking and bribed parents with holidays, cars and houses.
Lets be honest with the lack of development through to the first team in recent years would you advise a child of yours to stay here.
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They’ve achieved Wales international status in age grades above their level. They are getting noticed, that really should be enough for the Swans to go big on them and give them professional contracts.
A great believer in taking anything you like to wherever you want to.
Cullen and Cabango were probably the last two to make it to the first team and they are both in their mid twenties now. We haven’t given youth a look in for a good five or six years. Need to be giving these boys a pathway or they’ll go elsewhere.
Cullen and Cabango were probably the last two to make it to the first team and they are both in their mid twenties now. We haven’t given youth a look in for a good five or six years. Need to be giving these boys a pathway or they’ll go elsewhere.
We have to give them ambition, hope and opportunities. Granted its too early currently but Parker being removed from the squad for a 36 year old does make you think.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 18:52 - Jan 20 with 1039 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 17:36 - Jan 20 by Whiterockin
We have to give them ambition, hope and opportunities. Granted its too early currently but Parker being removed from the squad for a 36 year old does make you think.
Parker on the bench tonight so there is hope.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 22:06 - Jan 20 with 946 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 19:36 - Jan 19 by builthjack
Callum Jones 8 minutes. 35 minutes in right now. No stream, unless you pay
Brilliant goal actually. I recall there was a standoff with Sam Parkers contract for a while. So that gives hope ths two lads Perry and Popham will eventually sign like Ng term deals
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 14:27 - Jan 20 by Whiterockin
Today is miles away from the dark days when first division clubs came knocking and bribed parents with holidays, cars and houses.
Lets be honest with the lack of development through to the first team in recent years would you advise a child of yours to stay here.
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Fair point.
If the club are serious about keeping them, they’ll need to make a quality pitch to the boys and their parents and that is likely to include Matos getting involved. Plenty of kids have moved on to bigger clubs and flourished, but more have crashed and burnt. Quality coaching, sincerity and a proper developmental plan could go a long way to getting this over the line.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 23:40 - Jan 20 with 825 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 23:23 - Jan 20 by majorraglan
Fair point.
If the club are serious about keeping them, they’ll need to make a quality pitch to the boys and their parents and that is likely to include Matos getting involved. Plenty of kids have moved on to bigger clubs and flourished, but more have crashed and burnt. Quality coaching, sincerity and a proper developmental plan could go a long way to getting this over the line.
There needs to be players who will break through the glass ceiling for us and these two are quite possibly the ones to do it. Unfortunately I believe we have missed the boat, there has been no continuity with coaching staff for many years, we do not have Cat1 and there seems to be no progression through to the first team. I am Swansea through and through but if there was an offer on the table from a top European club financially more attractive and with Cat1 facilities for one of my family it would be a no brainer and it wouldn't be to us.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:08 - Jan 21 with 745 views
It has been a poor number of years at the club including the drop from the Premiership we have seen little progression of our younger players because of the underlying aim of getting back into the Premier league without fixing the problems that got us relgated in the first place, Potter seem to be trying to introduce younger players in trying to rebuild a team but that takes time, which with the offer he received he wasn't prepared to take.
Cooper almost got us back up but things weren't apparently right behind the scene both Cooper and Potter moving on relatively quickly, rebuild stalled.
Martin's again wanted quick success but would accept the way he wanted to play wouldn't work with what we had, losing Downes to balance the books just meant again no team building, Martin didn't like what he saw from the youngsters he had at his disposal and giving youngster very few minutes iwas not going to work, Duff didn't work, Williams working with older players with quality but they couldn't last a full game consistently but we were relying on them.
Last year we lost a lot of older players brought in to steady the ship including the younger Darling who had stabilised the back four. This season we started the season with so many players or youngster not up to speed with the championship and other who hadn't the experience of being in a successful championship side, it was always going to be a rough start to the season but now those youngsters and inexperienced players are getting coached properly,.
I am a little worried about who we will lose at the end of the season if our good form continues will we be left with older players like Burgess or Ward who have limited game time left, hopefully we can hold onto more youngsters than we lose and with experience gained and good coaching our own academy youngsters can see or be explained were gaps can appear for them.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 09:04 - Jan 21 with 728 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:08 - Jan 21 by RichardO
It has been a poor number of years at the club including the drop from the Premiership we have seen little progression of our younger players because of the underlying aim of getting back into the Premier league without fixing the problems that got us relgated in the first place, Potter seem to be trying to introduce younger players in trying to rebuild a team but that takes time, which with the offer he received he wasn't prepared to take.
Cooper almost got us back up but things weren't apparently right behind the scene both Cooper and Potter moving on relatively quickly, rebuild stalled.
Martin's again wanted quick success but would accept the way he wanted to play wouldn't work with what we had, losing Downes to balance the books just meant again no team building, Martin didn't like what he saw from the youngsters he had at his disposal and giving youngster very few minutes iwas not going to work, Duff didn't work, Williams working with older players with quality but they couldn't last a full game consistently but we were relying on them.
Last year we lost a lot of older players brought in to steady the ship including the younger Darling who had stabilised the back four. This season we started the season with so many players or youngster not up to speed with the championship and other who hadn't the experience of being in a successful championship side, it was always going to be a rough start to the season but now those youngsters and inexperienced players are getting coached properly,.
I am a little worried about who we will lose at the end of the season if our good form continues will we be left with older players like Burgess or Ward who have limited game time left, hopefully we can hold onto more youngsters than we lose and with experience gained and good coaching our own academy youngsters can see or be explained were gaps can appear for them.
I would agree with that except when we buy and loan young players and don't develop our own questions should be asked.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 12:40 - Jan 21 with 687 views
Al Hamadi and Kyle Joseph went for million pound + transfers..
Lissah, Wilson Cotterill Congreve Lloyd and Josh Thomas are getting game time at seniors level and need to be in the first team squad if good enough next season.
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 09:04 - Jan 21 by Whiterockin
I would agree with that except when we buy and loan young players and don't develop our own questions should be asked.
I think the last few season we have got ourselves into the situation that we wouldn't risk playing our own youngsters because of their inexperience with the threat of relegation and at one point the outside chance of a play off place. Cooper came on last night, Congreve and others now getting valuable game time, never really been a fan of loans but hopefully Matos can motivate and improve their game in the long term.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 17:37 - Jan 21 with 611 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 13:28 - Jan 21 by RichardO
I think the last few season we have got ourselves into the situation that we wouldn't risk playing our own youngsters because of their inexperience with the threat of relegation and at one point the outside chance of a play off place. Cooper came on last night, Congreve and others now getting valuable game time, never really been a fan of loans but hopefully Matos can motivate and improve their game in the long term.
Swansea have average players in big money. Fulton needs to be replaced by a lower wage player. Key, Ollie Cooper, Cullen will not get better. They will keep ScFc in th Championship though..Santos looks done.. French guy. Is now behind Kyril Wilson in terms of performance. Key can be sold and replaced by Lissah or moved f is there forward..
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 13:28 - Jan 21 by RichardO
I think the last few season we have got ourselves into the situation that we wouldn't risk playing our own youngsters because of their inexperience with the threat of relegation and at one point the outside chance of a play off place. Cooper came on last night, Congreve and others now getting valuable game time, never really been a fan of loans but hopefully Matos can motivate and improve their game in the long term.
I can understand us having loans to strengthen the squad, but I would much rather we develop our own instead of developing players for other clubs. Off the top of my head we have at least seven players out on loan for other clubs to develop for us. Out of the last four seasons of all the players we have loaned out how many have broken through for us. In my opinion this would be why real talent are reluctant to sign contracts.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:07 - Jan 22 with 463 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 19:08 - Jan 21 by Whiterockin
I can understand us having loans to strengthen the squad, but I would much rather we develop our own instead of developing players for other clubs. Off the top of my head we have at least seven players out on loan for other clubs to develop for us. Out of the last four seasons of all the players we have loaned out how many have broken through for us. In my opinion this would be why real talent are reluctant to sign contracts.
I agree have always thought it was a bit of an issue for any team to have loan players in. Having "better quality youmgsters" in does reduce our own players development . They usually being brought in to cover holes in our squad then once they go back after sitting on the bench and other players out of contract leave there are even bigger holes in the squad.
Very hard to get the balance right and as we saw with Russell Martin if you play in a way that suits the squad at your disposal, after his January tranfer left him with what he had, you can get results as he did at the end of his second season. Cooper knew the youngsters he was dealing with given his u17 world cup exploits.
The lack of our youngsters development since Potter gone has left our squad thin, we have been unable to keep our own players who have run down their contracts after seeing good players sold on too quickly.
We have a lot of inexperienced players at Championship level who needed to get up to spee, it has taken Tymon, Eom, Ronald and Vipotnik a good amount of time to play consistently often not helped by tactics they have been asked to use, Key has yet to reestablish himself. We needed a bit of experience in the team Fulton now helping in a problem area and Ward brought in to try and do the same, there has been so much negativity around the club how many senior players have wanted to stay let alone youngsters or the fans.
At the moment I think most supporters would fear going up because the strength of the squad, it looks as if Matos is slowly starting to get a number of younger players in and around the match day team by having them on the bench but a bit reluctant to use them, maybe being forced to because of injuries.
As for our own youngsters out of loan it is great that they can hold their own in "lower" quality leagues in doing so gaining match day experience but they would still need time to gain Championship level experience. Congreve for example when he first played Championship football coming on as a sub looked a handful out on the wing but then was started out of position, deemed a failure, subbed early and dumped as was the Martin's way with a number of other young players, I saw Congreve play in the u23 or u21s level he looked a handfully but had issues that needed looking at but they weren't going to be sorted playing at that level unless proper coaching sorted them out. He seems to be consistently get on the starting team on loan but is he now too old to bring back or renew his contract, it does seem silly not to see if we can benefit with the playing time he has gained without testing him further at Championship level. The same could be said of Parker, I cannot say he had bad games playing in the first team at times playing well, if he did have issues but it seemed to be similar issues we had seen other players having with other previous coaches.
Hopefully we can develop more youngsters without getting relegated because we can't keep relying on older players digging us out of the shit, if we want to compete at Championship level we have to have a squad that isn't going to be affect by loosing one or two key players.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:24 - Jan 22 with 449 views
I think it would help getting younger players off the bench and on the pitch especially when we play teams at the bottom of the league if we could put games to bed sooner rather than missing a hatful of chances and having to put old heads on to see out a 1 nil lead.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:33 - Jan 22 with 439 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:24 - Jan 22 by blackpooljack
I think it would help getting younger players off the bench and on the pitch especially when we play teams at the bottom of the league if we could put games to bed sooner rather than missing a hatful of chances and having to put old heads on to see out a 1 nil lead.
Getting that balance right, Martin and Williams frightened the life out of me with the inability organise a team defensively once going ahead, thinking they could go all out attack not expecting the opposition would react to going behind., if teams attack us we have to defend properly but still keep and attacking threat with our style of play.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:41 - Jan 22 with 434 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 08:24 - Jan 22 by blackpooljack
I think it would help getting younger players off the bench and on the pitch especially when we play teams at the bottom of the league if we could put games to bed sooner rather than missing a hatful of chances and having to put old heads on to see out a 1 nil lead.
I think it is important to give the talented youngsters squad experience, often they are training specifically with the first team to get experience long before they get in the match day squad. Sometimes travelling away and not getting mentioned. The next step is the match day squad, then getting on the pitch hopefully eventually to start a game. That is the aimed progression for the youngsters, if it is carried out it lifts the whole group in the u21s, the hopefully one day that will be me scenario. Without hope and ambition we will drag the life blood out of the u21s.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 20:53 - Jan 22 with 313 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 21:07 - Jan 22 by union_jack
Beautifully taken goals but if the highlights are in any way a fair reflection of the pattern of the play we stole that one!
Just like the day we beat those w@nkers with a last minute winner from wayne routledge.after getting a battering, I laughed all the way on my walk back to the city centre.
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FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 21:30 - Jan 22 with 288 views
FA YOUTH CUP 4th Round on 21:28 - Jan 22 by Fireboy2
Just like the day we beat those w@nkers with a last minute winner from wayne routledge.after getting a battering, I laughed all the way on my walk back to the city centre.
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