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Came across this on facebook today, for those too young it shows harrowing footage of young men trying to save the lives of their fellow fans whilst policemen (not all i would add) stood around watching and chatting.
The interviews with the fans dont play themselves a victims, but tell why they have fought so long, not for sympathy but for justice
A couple of mates of mine from up there are interviewed including Kevin Sampson who wrote the book Awaydays
Satisfying The Bloodlust Of The Masses In Peacetime
I mean this in the nicest possible way. but Hillsborough belongs in the pages of history. It was utterly tragic and obviously, should never have happened. But the world has moved on and always will.
Many significant national/world events have been and gone since.
I mean this in the nicest possible way. but Hillsborough belongs in the pages of history. It was utterly tragic and obviously, should never have happened. But the world has moved on and always will.
Many significant national/world events have been and gone since.
I think you are right, Liverpool fans have been exonerated and the time is right to move on, although for some who lost relatives that will be hard.
But we should never forget it happened and without it football would not have changed and it needed to, we watched in crumbling stadiums in poor conditions and we were herded around by police forces who treated us like animals.
Yorkshire Police were the worst of those and it took this disaster to make the country sit up and notice, watch this video and watch Liverpool fans running to carry bodies away on advertising hoardings whilst the police stood and watched and tell me you are not shocked by that.
In truth Liverpool fans don't go on about it, only when it has gone to court etc, it is the rest of the country that labels them murderers for Heysel and tells them they deserved it for Hillsborough
Satisfying The Bloodlust Of The Masses In Peacetime
I mean this in the nicest possible way. but Hillsborough belongs in the pages of history. It was utterly tragic and obviously, should never have happened. But the world has moved on and always will.
Many significant national/world events have been and gone since.
The first tragedy I can vividly remember as I was about the same age as the victims was the Aberfan mining disaster
Well over 100 people died in that and most of those were kids under 10, which was a tragedy caused by the mining industry and all learnt from that. It was not a "natural" disaster like say, a Tsunami, but caused by a man made tip. As far as I know they don't have or seek a national day of mourning or whatever every year for that or raise it for all to keep reminding us about it
Controversial maybe, and we have to accept the findings of all inquiries on the Hillsborough disaster (and it was, please don't think I'm belittling the result of what happened), but I still think there must be some apportion of blame away from the police and the persistence of the Liverpool fans trying all ways they could of getting in to the ground, ticket of not, and that is why we have to move on as you say Jaysaint
I'll probably get crucified for this view by Nick and he is obviously closer to what happened than most on here, and certainly me, but as Jaysaint has said, there have been may other tragedies around the world and I can only give a personal opinion
The families of the deceased will obviously grieve and continue to do so, but that is only natural. I wonder how the Juventus fans feel about Hillsborough since what happened at Heysel which doesn't get mentioned very often by the City of Liverpool I'm sure
I think you are right, Liverpool fans have been exonerated and the time is right to move on, although for some who lost relatives that will be hard.
But we should never forget it happened and without it football would not have changed and it needed to, we watched in crumbling stadiums in poor conditions and we were herded around by police forces who treated us like animals.
Yorkshire Police were the worst of those and it took this disaster to make the country sit up and notice, watch this video and watch Liverpool fans running to carry bodies away on advertising hoardings whilst the police stood and watched and tell me you are not shocked by that.
In truth Liverpool fans don't go on about it, only when it has gone to court etc, it is the rest of the country that labels them murderers for Heysel and tells them they deserved it for Hillsborough
Nick, have only just seen this post after mine and I'm certainly not calling Lpool fans murderers (I believe quite a few were convicted?), but I was just adding an opinion from someone in no way connected and basically agreeing with Jaysaint
The first tragedy I can vividly remember as I was about the same age as the victims was the Aberfan mining disaster
Well over 100 people died in that and most of those were kids under 10, which was a tragedy caused by the mining industry and all learnt from that. It was not a "natural" disaster like say, a Tsunami, but caused by a man made tip. As far as I know they don't have or seek a national day of mourning or whatever every year for that or raise it for all to keep reminding us about it
Controversial maybe, and we have to accept the findings of all inquiries on the Hillsborough disaster (and it was, please don't think I'm belittling the result of what happened), but I still think there must be some apportion of blame away from the police and the persistence of the Liverpool fans trying all ways they could of getting in to the ground, ticket of not, and that is why we have to move on as you say Jaysaint
I'll probably get crucified for this view by Nick and he is obviously closer to what happened than most on here, and certainly me, but as Jaysaint has said, there have been may other tragedies around the world and I can only give a personal opinion
The families of the deceased will obviously grieve and continue to do so, but that is only natural. I wonder how the Juventus fans feel about Hillsborough since what happened at Heysel which doesn't get mentioned very often by the City of Liverpool I'm sure
The thing about Hillsborough was that it was a disaster that could have and should have been prevented. A few comments and I'm not criticising you for your views I just think they have been influenced by the media to a degree, just as the Police intended 31 years ago, throw enough mud and it sticks.
Liverpool have never sought national day of mourning, they have their own day just on Merseyside, most years of the last 30 it doesn't make the news despite large attendances, they don't ask or expect the rest of the world to join in it is their personal way of remembering.
You bring up that there must be some apportion of blame to Liverpool fans, this is still a throwback to the Sun article that they were all drunk.
The truth is that liverpool fans behaved no differently than any other set of supporters at a big game back then, yes they had a drink, but so did Saints fans at the 1984 & 86 semis . Yes some would not have had tickets, but this fixture had been played a year before with the same teams at the same ground without any problems, although some Liverpool fans will tell you that there had been crushing the year before when there had been no issues getting in
The fact is the ground was not overcrowded, just the middle pens, as fans poured in and as they did back then wanted to be right behind the goal, vidoe footage shows fans walking through the tunnel not running or singing or screaming at people.
The whole matter is that Liverpool have sought justice for 31 years, the fact that you can still say that there must be some blame because of drink and ticketless fans is why they keep fighting for justice.
The fact is that there was innadequate stewarding and policing end of, that has been proven by the enquiry, you say that we have to accept the results of the inquiries yet you haven't accepted them, the last inquiry stated.
"no behaviour on the part of Liverpool fans contributed to the dangerous situation at the Leppings Lane turnstiles. This, at last, comprehensively exonerates the supporters who were blamed for causing the disaster in its immediate aftermath."
Yet you have added the "But"
I'm not blaming you here, you have read the reports at the time and thought there was no smoke without fire..
Liverpool do have a memorial to the disaster on the Centenary stand at Anfield and have a annual ceremony on the anniversary .
I.m sorry to give such a long winded reply, and Im not trying to pick an argument, I just think you (and why should you not really) have just looked at headlines and not the truth and that is what the Sun did all those years ago and why Liverpool fans still have to fight to clear their name.
You are right most natural disasters don't get harped on about, but most are natural so nothing could have been done, anyone at Hllborough for Saints game in 1984 will tell you it was dodgy that day, lessons needed to be learned and have been, I'm not trying to make Liverpool fans out to be martyrs, but football grounds were dangerous death traps back then, it is a wonder that there were not more disasters.
Back then football fans united for a while at least, the onset of social media brought on name calling and the spreading of lies again
Satisfying The Bloodlust Of The Masses In Peacetime
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