| Roadmap 16:12 - May 10 with 2239 views | PatfromPoole |
Roadmap is one of my very least favourite words.
I hear it quite a lot in a work capacity, and I bloody hate it.
I fear it is now going to be one of the buzzwords we now hear quite a lot of on the virus.
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| Roadmap on 18:07 - May 10 with 1106 views | saint22 |
Boris has got his upside down that’s for sure |  | | |
| Roadmap on 19:26 - May 10 with 1059 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Roadmap on 18:07 - May 10 by saint22 |
Boris has got his upside down that’s for sure |
His speech tonight was very clear and sensible. | |
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| Roadmap on 19:30 - May 10 with 1056 views | kernow |
| Roadmap on 19:26 - May 10 by Saintsforeverj |
His speech tonight was very clear and sensible. |
Are you clear on what is permissible and what is not?
If you are then good for you. I'm not. | | | |
| Roadmap on 19:33 - May 10 with 1044 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Roadmap on 19:30 - May 10 by kernow |
Are you clear on what is permissible and what is not?
If you are then good for you. I'm not. |
What are you unclear of? | |
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| Roadmap on 19:38 - May 10 with 1036 views | cocklebreath |
| Roadmap on 19:30 - May 10 by kernow |
Are you clear on what is permissible and what is not?
If you are then good for you. I'm not. |
I’m no Boris fan but that was pretty straight forward, go to work if you can, try not to use a bus or train, go outside and have a picnic as long as it’s with people from your own household. |  |
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| Roadmap on 19:46 - May 10 with 1021 views | cynicalsaint |
can i go and get a haircut?
is my brother in-law going to be continued to be furloughed - he's a podiatrist.
which shops are open / which aren't?
its a mess. goverment obfuscating to place the onus on individuals when they should be taking a lead.
we need conviction politicians, not the sheep we've got running the show. either go herd or lockdown hard. the middle ground is just a melting pot to avoid accountability. | | | |
| Roadmap on 19:49 - May 10 with 1015 views | Bicester_North |
| Roadmap on 19:38 - May 10 by cocklebreath |
I’m no Boris fan but that was pretty straight forward, go to work if you can, try not to use a bus or train, go outside and have a picnic as long as it’s with people from your own household. |
Exactly. What’s he supposed to do, give everyone an exact date when each of them can go back to work?
A fine balance between reducing covid deaths and keeping the economy alive which, if it does t happen, will kill many many more. | |
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| Roadmap on 19:50 - May 10 with 1011 views | cynicalsaint |
| Roadmap on 19:49 - May 10 by Bicester_North |
Exactly. What’s he supposed to do, give everyone an exact date when each of them can go back to work?
A fine balance between reducing covid deaths and keeping the economy alive which, if it does t happen, will kill many many more. |
absence of leadership. they're making it up as they go along. | | | |
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| Roadmap on 19:52 - May 10 with 1006 views | Bicester_North |
| Roadmap on 19:50 - May 10 by cynicalsaint |
absence of leadership. they're making it up as they go along. |
So as I asked before, what would you do, going by the courage of your conviction? | |
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| Roadmap on 19:55 - May 10 with 998 views | kernow |
Safe working practices. There have been no clear published guidelines yet.
What is essential and non essential work?
Which businesses can open and which can't?
What are the criteria for a safe system of work?
What monitoring will be carried out, testing, tracing, isolation etc.
What about schools?
What happens if infection and death rates continue to rise??
Why are the rules in Scotland, Wales and Ireland unchanged?
We're a UK no? | | | |
| Roadmap on 19:56 - May 10 with 991 views | JaySaint |
| Roadmap on 19:46 - May 10 by cynicalsaint |
can i go and get a haircut?
is my brother in-law going to be continued to be furloughed - he's a podiatrist.
which shops are open / which aren't?
its a mess. goverment obfuscating to place the onus on individuals when they should be taking a lead.
we need conviction politicians, not the sheep we've got running the show. either go herd or lockdown hard. the middle ground is just a melting pot to avoid accountability. |
If a barbers want to open and you want to go, my guess is crack on. Life goes on
Depends if the barber opens of course | |
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| Roadmap on 19:58 - May 10 with 982 views | cynicalsaint |
| Roadmap on 19:52 - May 10 by Bicester_North |
So as I asked before, what would you do, going by the courage of your conviction? |
personally? i would go hardline lockdown. no 'evidence of absence'. this is potentially a fat tail.
but - i would have a ton more respect for a govt that had a clear strategy (even if i disagreed with it) rather than just blowing in the wind / following the mood music. | | | |
| Roadmap on 20:00 - May 10 with 969 views | cynicalsaint |
| Roadmap on 19:56 - May 10 by JaySaint |
If a barbers want to open and you want to go, my guess is crack on. Life goes on
Depends if the barber opens of course |
thanks - that's cleared everything up for me. | | | |
| Roadmap on 20:01 - May 10 with 967 views | Bicester_North |
| Roadmap on 19:58 - May 10 by cynicalsaint |
personally? i would go hardline lockdown. no 'evidence of absence'. this is potentially a fat tail.
but - i would have a ton more respect for a govt that had a clear strategy (even if i disagreed with it) rather than just blowing in the wind / following the mood music. |
It doesn’t matter what “respect” people have for the government, it’s about somehow balancing covid deaths with keeping the economy alive. Nobody knows so maybe striking some sort of balance is the right way. Maybe it isn’t, but the government is damned either way. | |
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| Roadmap on 20:02 - May 10 with 960 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Roadmap on 19:56 - May 10 by JaySaint |
If a barbers want to open and you want to go, my guess is crack on. Life goes on
Depends if the barber opens of course |
Boris said that general shops will reopen on June 1st, so anybody can get a haircut on June 1st. Busineses can reopen earlier if social distancing can occur.
If a hairdressers can ensure social distancing, they will open on Wednesday. If they can't they won't! Garden centres can ensure social distancing so will open this week. [Post edited 10 May 2020 20:03]
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| Roadmap on 20:04 - May 10 with 954 views | cynicalsaint |
| Roadmap on 20:01 - May 10 by Bicester_North |
It doesn’t matter what “respect” people have for the government, it’s about somehow balancing covid deaths with keeping the economy alive. Nobody knows so maybe striking some sort of balance is the right way. Maybe it isn’t, but the government is damned either way. |
let me clarify - i think it would be more effective for everyone if the government provided clear / unambiguous statements that made their intentions / preferred route out of this clear. As it stands "its on you". which looks like the foundation for a post event whitewash.
Is it wrong to expect out leaders to lead? | | | |
| Roadmap on 20:07 - May 10 with 947 views | Bicester_North |
| Roadmap on 20:04 - May 10 by cynicalsaint |
let me clarify - i think it would be more effective for everyone if the government provided clear / unambiguous statements that made their intentions / preferred route out of this clear. As it stands "its on you". which looks like the foundation for a post event whitewash.
Is it wrong to expect out leaders to lead? |
So either a free for all or a continued total lockdown would be the only way you’re satisfied then? | |
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| Roadmap on 20:12 - May 10 with 936 views | kernow |
| Roadmap on 20:07 - May 10 by Bicester_North |
So either a free for all or a continued total lockdown would be the only way you’re satisfied then? |
With an increase in fines for contravening the rules, it would be good to know what the rules are.
Published guidelines would be good. | | | |
| Roadmap on 20:18 - May 10 with 918 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Roadmap on 20:12 - May 10 by kernow |
With an increase in fines for contravening the rules, it would be good to know what the rules are.
Published guidelines would be good. |
It's as clear as it could be. Yes, Boris could have outlined every single job in the country and when they will be back but his speech would last until midnight, wouldn't it.
It's clear to me. If you can ensure social distancing (garden centres, corner shops etc you can open Wednesday. If not, you can open on June 1st but put in as many safety limits as you can.
Schools are back for just year r, year 1, year 6 on June 1st. Year 10 will get back a few weeks before the summer. Bars, restaurants back in July. All depends on infection rate.
You are allowed out and visit the beach, parks etc but only with your family or people you live with. [Post edited 10 May 2020 20:19]
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| Roadmap on 20:19 - May 10 with 917 views | Bicester_North |
| Roadmap on 20:12 - May 10 by kernow |
With an increase in fines for contravening the rules, it would be good to know what the rules are.
Published guidelines would be good. |
Keep the distance. If people want to meet, meet somewhere with plenty of space so you don’t transmit.
We all know it’s getting too close that causes it. The problem is the number of selfish thick tw@ts that will abuse it and not keep apart. But I fail to see what the government can do to keep them in check, without a total lockdown | |
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| Roadmap on 20:32 - May 10 with 890 views | kernow |
| Roadmap on 20:19 - May 10 by Bicester_North |
Keep the distance. If people want to meet, meet somewhere with plenty of space so you don’t transmit.
We all know it’s getting too close that causes it. The problem is the number of selfish thick tw@ts that will abuse it and not keep apart. But I fail to see what the government can do to keep them in check, without a total lockdown |
Social gatherings are difficult to police and enforce so the need for punitive fines seems to be the way to go but rules need to be clear.
Work places need approved , unambiguous, safe systems of work which all stakeholders need to be aware of and sign up to. | | | |
| Roadmap on 20:39 - May 10 with 873 views | Bicester_North |
| Roadmap on 20:32 - May 10 by kernow |
Social gatherings are difficult to police and enforce so the need for punitive fines seems to be the way to go but rules need to be clear.
Work places need approved , unambiguous, safe systems of work which all stakeholders need to be aware of and sign up to. |
The type of work bureaucracy you speak of will take a huge amount of time and money, and conflict between directors and employees in different roles.
Most companies in manufacturing, warehouses, offices etc seem to have figured out a way as have the supermarkets. Remote working instead of office based is sorting itself out.
The rules are clear, if you can’t keep your distance don’t take the risk.
Things like dentists and salons are a problem but I don’t see an answer to that until the testing and tracing is working properly, that’s the thing which the government has to deliver on. | |
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| Roadmap on 20:47 - May 10 with 859 views | cynicalsaint |
| Roadmap on 20:07 - May 10 by Bicester_North |
So either a free for all or a continued total lockdown would be the only way you’re satisfied then? |
i would like the 'leaders' to lead, yes. | | | |
| Roadmap on 20:53 - May 10 with 838 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Roadmap on 20:47 - May 10 by cynicalsaint |
i would like the 'leaders' to lead, yes. |
You voted Tory. |  |
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| Roadmap on 20:55 - May 10 with 834 views | cynicalsaint |
did I? not going to declare my political leaning here (as i will just get lumped in as a loony left / fascist right). just want some backbone / accountability from our elected government. thats all. [Post edited 10 May 2020 21:04]
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