| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 11:50 - Jul 26 with 1026 views | SFC_Referee |
Well with the more teams they buy comes the more links we get and the more they’re putting on the line. And with the more they do that, the less likely they are to ditch us if we don’t go up or if it doesn’t start the best. Also will probably include a pre season trip to France next season then
But still I’ll be interested to see as to how many more teams they’ll buy and whereabouts they’ll be, as red bull have 5 teams but only 1 in any of the major leagues, so if we can get back on track then maybe we’ll see some of these other teams also start to progress and work alongside our scouting and youth setups. Still it’ll certainly be interesting to see how everything goes… |  |
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| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 11:55 - Jul 26 with 1022 views | PatfromPoole |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 11:50 - Jul 26 by SFC_Referee |
Well with the more teams they buy comes the more links we get and the more they’re putting on the line. And with the more they do that, the less likely they are to ditch us if we don’t go up or if it doesn’t start the best. Also will probably include a pre season trip to France next season then
But still I’ll be interested to see as to how many more teams they’ll buy and whereabouts they’ll be, as red bull have 5 teams but only 1 in any of the major leagues, so if we can get back on track then maybe we’ll see some of these other teams also start to progress and work alongside our scouting and youth setups. Still it’ll certainly be interesting to see how everything goes… |
Why would they be less likely to ditch us? |  |
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| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 12:04 - Jul 26 with 1010 views | Ifonly |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 11:50 - Jul 26 by SFC_Referee |
Well with the more teams they buy comes the more links we get and the more they’re putting on the line. And with the more they do that, the less likely they are to ditch us if we don’t go up or if it doesn’t start the best. Also will probably include a pre season trip to France next season then
But still I’ll be interested to see as to how many more teams they’ll buy and whereabouts they’ll be, as red bull have 5 teams but only 1 in any of the major leagues, so if we can get back on track then maybe we’ll see some of these other teams also start to progress and work alongside our scouting and youth setups. Still it’ll certainly be interesting to see how everything goes… |
I don't understand how Red Bull are supposed to be any kind of blueprint for SR. Red Bull sell energy drinks and they get fantastic advertising via their branded football clubs. That's a model that makes sense. They'd have to spend a fortune on other media if they didn't have the clubs, so they can lose big money on the football and it still makes business sense.
Sports Republic isn't like that. What do they sell? Their football clubs have to be at least as profitable as other places they can put their money, or the whole business is a dead end. |  | | |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 12:24 - Jul 26 with 993 views | SFC_Referee |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 11:55 - Jul 26 by PatfromPoole |
Why would they be less likely to ditch us? |
Because they’re investing more and more money into this project where it’s becoming more and more risky to pull out or such due to how much they’re chucking into this all now.
And for the teams they’ve bought, I very much doubt they’d be making any of them their centre pieces over us, as until they buy some LaLiga, Bundesliga or Seria A team, then none will have the same attraction and money to be made like a team that will hopefully be back in the prem again next season… | |
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| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 12:29 - Jul 26 with 986 views | SFC_Referee |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 12:04 - Jul 26 by Ifonly |
I don't understand how Red Bull are supposed to be any kind of blueprint for SR. Red Bull sell energy drinks and they get fantastic advertising via their branded football clubs. That's a model that makes sense. They'd have to spend a fortune on other media if they didn't have the clubs, so they can lose big money on the football and it still makes business sense.
Sports Republic isn't like that. What do they sell? Their football clubs have to be at least as profitable as other places they can put their money, or the whole business is a dead end. |
Yeah lad I was just comparing us to about the only other multi footballing team setup that I or most others know of, as it’s just more around the fact of whether or not they’ll also stop at 5, will continue past that, and if so what other leagues will they go for etc…
As my point was just more around how our scouting, youth and development setups and links will be able to expand with each and every team they get in, and how this will lead to us being more and more likely to be able to spot talent and try and get hold of it before anyone else can. Which is what RB have also done, as yeah how they access the funding and why they do it may be different, but the benefits behind it all are just the same. | |
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| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 13:07 - Jul 26 with 968 views | Ifonly |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 12:29 - Jul 26 by SFC_Referee |
Yeah lad I was just comparing us to about the only other multi footballing team setup that I or most others know of, as it’s just more around the fact of whether or not they’ll also stop at 5, will continue past that, and if so what other leagues will they go for etc…
As my point was just more around how our scouting, youth and development setups and links will be able to expand with each and every team they get in, and how this will lead to us being more and more likely to be able to spot talent and try and get hold of it before anyone else can. Which is what RB have also done, as yeah how they access the funding and why they do it may be different, but the benefits behind it all are just the same. |
Well, you also know of others. Heard of Man City? They are the biggest muti-club organisation. Others include Eagle (Palace), King Power (Leicester) and INEOS (Man Utd??). The nearest model to us is probably Pacific Media (Barnsley).
As to the supposed benefits around scouting etc. that you claim, let's just say, to be generous, that there isn't any evidence yet to support that argument. Man City are linked to 12 other clubs but not one single player in their squad has come from any of the other group clubs. Not one single player.
The way these groups really work is that the scouting benefit goes to the non-English clubs. What happens is that clubs in France, Turkey, South America or wherever need a PL club in the group so that they can attract local talent. They need to dangle the carrot of a path to a PL club. The reality is that, so far, this pathway is a myth. These groups do allow loans to happen more easily (e.g. Lis to Goztepe) but when it comes to transfers, the group makes no difference. The player goes to the club making the best offer. | | | |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 13:35 - Jul 26 with 939 views | SFC_Referee |
| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 13:07 - Jul 26 by Ifonly |
Well, you also know of others. Heard of Man City? They are the biggest muti-club organisation. Others include Eagle (Palace), King Power (Leicester) and INEOS (Man Utd??). The nearest model to us is probably Pacific Media (Barnsley).
As to the supposed benefits around scouting etc. that you claim, let's just say, to be generous, that there isn't any evidence yet to support that argument. Man City are linked to 12 other clubs but not one single player in their squad has come from any of the other group clubs. Not one single player.
The way these groups really work is that the scouting benefit goes to the non-English clubs. What happens is that clubs in France, Turkey, South America or wherever need a PL club in the group so that they can attract local talent. They need to dangle the carrot of a path to a PL club. The reality is that, so far, this pathway is a myth. These groups do allow loans to happen more easily (e.g. Lis to Goztepe) but when it comes to transfers, the group makes no difference. The player goes to the club making the best offer. |
Yeah and City’s group don’t own a majority in any teams in any of the 5 major leagues, which is a key part in why they never get any players from them. As most of these groups have simply 1 major team in Europe and then that’s it, the rest are all over the rest of the world, but the organisation mainly just cares about that 1 major team in Europe. But let’s say we do go up next season, but so does this French team, then we’ve already got one more team in the 5 major leagues than city and their group does (and I’m sure the same goes for most of the rest of these organisations), meaning that they’d probably have a better understanding of the best talent in Ligue 1, better than any other team that not in the league itself.
And if sports republic keep to what they’re doing, who’s to say they won’t buy some Bundesliga, Serie A, LaLiga or one of those countries second division teams as well, who they’ll help to progress to the top divisions. As the only reason I’ve used RB is because they’re about one of the only ones that consistently has 2 teams contesting for stuff in Europe and almost always have both in the major European competitions.
As all of what either of us are saying is simply speculation and no different to all these transfer rumours for how little evidence either of us have. But from the locations and teams that SR have bought so far, I very much see it as a benefit and think that it’s only gonna help and can’t exactly be that much of a negative. But until we’ve had another few years or so, neither of us will really know and even then it still might not be clear then. [Post edited 26 Jul 2023 13:36]
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| Valenciennes bought by Sport Republic on 16:35 - Jul 26 with 833 views | Ifonly |
I said above that Red Bull weren't the same type of group as Sports Republic and that Pacific Media were the closest model to us. Pacific have owned clubs since 2016 so they are 6 years further down the track than SR and being so similar, they might give some clues as to the future. The similarities include:
- as with SR, the starting point for Pacific was media interests
- portfolio of smallish clubs, not big time
- strategy of buying young players to make money on re-sale
- heavily data driven in recruitment
- high turnover of managers
- all team tactics based on a high press as their "identity"
- several clubs relegated after acquisition
So far, their big success as a business was to sell Nice at a profit of something like $80m to INEOS. That has covered losses elsewhere. On the pitch they've been less successful.
Does this sound like the future for SR? Who knows. I hope that SR turn out to be better investors but there are no guarantees. For those interested this is a good but not very flattering summary of Pacific Media by Sports Invest:
https://sportsinvestment.substack.com/p/pacific-media-groups-disastrous-impact
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