| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. 20:14 - Feb 19 with 16616 views | exiledclaseboy |
F*ck me get on with it. Everyone knows you're going to come out with something fairly meaningless that you'll hail as a triumph before your Cabinet members start scratching each other's eyes out from now until all eternity. [Post edited 19 Feb 2016 20:22]
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:12 - Feb 21 with 1057 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:04 - Feb 21 by jackonicko |
A referendum following 3 months of reasoned debate and analysis, which would include some rational analysis of what the future outside of the EU would actually look like.
Not dog whistle politics and pointless arguments over foreigners and benefits which are so far at the margins of what is actually being decided here as to be hardly worth mentioning.
But we won't get that. Which is why it's a bad idea. This is a massive, massive decision which will have an impact on generations to come. And it's not about whether child benefit is paid at local country indexed levels from 2020. |
Do you think it's pointless to be concerned that well over a million people came to Europe last yr and no doubt that number will be higher this year ?
As for reasoned debate- there probably has never been such a thing even at general elections but we still have them. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:13 - Feb 21 with 1058 views | jackonicko |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:12 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
Do you think it's pointless to be concerned that well over a million people came to Europe last yr and no doubt that number will be higher this year ?
As for reasoned debate- there probably has never been such a thing even at general elections but we still have them. |
In the context of the decision being made on 23 June, yes. Absolutely. |  | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:14 - Feb 21 with 1046 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:13 - Feb 21 by jackonicko |
In the context of the decision being made on 23 June, yes. Absolutely. |
But not for many others who think it's an important issue. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:15 - Feb 21 with 1045 views | jackonicko |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:14 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
But not for many others who think it's an important issue. |
So thank you for making my point for me so perfectly. | | | |
| Cameron's EU on 16:16 - Feb 21 with 1043 views | trampie |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 14:29 - Feb 21 by Highjack |
Jean Claude junker is definitely a socialist. The guy who was there before him who's name escapes me but he was vaguely Spanish sounding was a proper communist. |
Junker is right wing, the biggest group in the European Parliament is right wing.
PS his predecessor was right wing as well. [Post edited 21 Feb 2016 16:35]
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:21 - Feb 21 with 1020 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:15 - Feb 21 by jackonicko |
So thank you for making my point for me so perfectly. |
So what are the important issues in your opinion? | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:22 - Feb 21 with 1020 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:21 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
So what are the important issues in your opinion? |
Didn't he outline them in a fairly lengthy post on page six? | |
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| Cameron's EU on 16:39 - Feb 21 with 971 views | Lohengrin |
| Cameron's EU on 16:25 - Feb 21 by trampie |
You buy it when there is a Leanne Wood article in it don't you ?
And that would make you a regular reader, lol. [Post edited 21 Feb 2016 16:52]
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I've never seen her mentioned in it, Tramp. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 16:44 - Feb 21 with 955 views | dgt73 |
Ur not really- people aren't really interested in geo political issues- such as what Russia may think.
Even at a local level the EU has proven unable to help the British steel industry in places like port talbot and Redcar. In response to ecb. [Post edited 21 Feb 2016 16:45]
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| Cameron's EU on 16:56 - Feb 21 with 945 views | trampie |
| Cameron's EU on 16:39 - Feb 21 by Lohengrin |
I've never seen her mentioned in it, Tramp. |
You are like Lisa Lohengrin very naïve and politically very innocent. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:58 - Feb 21 with 935 views | Lord_Bony |
Boris Johnson just given a press interview.. He advocates us leaving.. Big repercussions within the party over this. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 17:01 - Feb 21 with 925 views | monmouth |
| Cameron's EU on 16:56 - Feb 21 by trampie |
You are like Lisa Lohengrin very naïve and politically very innocent. |
Lisa Lohengrin? Now that would be a poster. Not sure she'd ever agree with himself mind. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 17:12 - Feb 21 with 900 views | trampie |
| Cameron's EU on 17:01 - Feb 21 by monmouth |
Lisa Lohengrin? Now that would be a poster. Not sure she'd ever agree with himself mind. |
A right wing Brit Nat monster of a poster no less. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:14 - Feb 21 with 891 views | jojaca |
Out for me, my young daughter brought home the names of her classroom to make Xmas cards and more than half the class were from the Eastern part of Europe. More Eastern Europeans seem to popping up at work as well. It's just a massive strain on our public services and I have also been reading too many conspiracy about it's in the elite's interest to keep the Euro, so it will be easier to achieve their New World Order with microchip population etc. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:23 - Feb 21 with 869 views | monmouth |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:14 - Feb 21 by jojaca |
Out for me, my young daughter brought home the names of her classroom to make Xmas cards and more than half the class were from the Eastern part of Europe. More Eastern Europeans seem to popping up at work as well. It's just a massive strain on our public services and I have also been reading too many conspiracy about it's in the elite's interest to keep the Euro, so it will be easier to achieve their New World Order with microchip population etc. |
We have crap public services because we choose not to invest in them. It is the whole core of the the current scabrous 'business' driven consensus, added to ensuring that the richest 1% get even richer.
Public services can't cope full stop. Not because of eastern europeans, or shall we call them by their proper name, people like us who through an accident of birth were born in eastern europe and want to do the best for their families. Take them all away and public services would still be crap. Blame the cause, not the symptom. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:30 - Feb 21 with 856 views | blueytheblue |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:23 - Feb 21 by monmouth |
We have crap public services because we choose not to invest in them. It is the whole core of the the current scabrous 'business' driven consensus, added to ensuring that the richest 1% get even richer.
Public services can't cope full stop. Not because of eastern europeans, or shall we call them by their proper name, people like us who through an accident of birth were born in eastern europe and want to do the best for their families. Take them all away and public services would still be crap. Blame the cause, not the symptom. |
Well... in my son's class there are additional resources brought in to manage children with no English knowledge at age 9. Even with those, the teacher's time is still being taken up there. Each year, Eastern European children are present then leave within a few months, going onto a different school.
Regardless of resourcing levels, that's not ideal for anybody, including those kids. |  |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:34 - Feb 21 with 850 views | monmouth |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:30 - Feb 21 by blueytheblue |
Well... in my son's class there are additional resources brought in to manage children with no English knowledge at age 9. Even with those, the teacher's time is still being taken up there. Each year, Eastern European children are present then leave within a few months, going onto a different school.
Regardless of resourcing levels, that's not ideal for anybody, including those kids. |
I agree that language issues are a serious problem (not just for east europeans), but this kind of stuff is an example of the utterly spurious and marginal arguments that will be spouted to stir up mass pavlovian emotional response, as Jacko says earlier. | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:39 - Feb 21 with 843 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:34 - Feb 21 by monmouth |
I agree that language issues are a serious problem (not just for east europeans), but this kind of stuff is an example of the utterly spurious and marginal arguments that will be spouted to stir up mass pavlovian emotional response, as Jacko says earlier. |
Stir up ? It's an important issue and should be raised.
You say it's a serious problem then go on and call it "spurious and marginal " so what is it ? Serious problem or a marginal issue ? | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:43 - Feb 21 with 834 views | ymaohyd |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:14 - Feb 21 by jojaca |
Out for me, my young daughter brought home the names of her classroom to make Xmas cards and more than half the class were from the Eastern part of Europe. More Eastern Europeans seem to popping up at work as well. It's just a massive strain on our public services and I have also been reading too many conspiracy about it's in the elite's interest to keep the Euro, so it will be easier to achieve their New World Order with microchip population etc. |
Our for me also.
As a Welsh nationalist I have always leant towards a European bias, seeing a stronger Wales under the umbrella of Europe.
Quite honestly I've had a gutsful now of the extreme difficulties caused by the immigration question in Europe
Personally I want extreme measures to be imposed with border controls, benefits etc. I'm sure under most questions it will make more sense to stay in Europe, for me though the prevailing question is border security and sending half of the illegal immigrants in the UK back to where they came from.
Sorry but enough is enough. |  |
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| Cameron's EU on 17:48 - Feb 21 with 818 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's EU on 16:44 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
Ur not really- people aren't really interested in geo political issues- such as what Russia may think.
Even at a local level the EU has proven unable to help the British steel industry in places like port talbot and Redcar. In response to ecb. [Post edited 21 Feb 2016 16:45]
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Some people are. You may not be. Not the same thing. | | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:48 - Feb 21 with 818 views | monmouth |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:39 - Feb 21 by dgt73 |
Stir up ? It's an important issue and should be raised.
You say it's a serious problem then go on and call it "spurious and marginal " so what is it ? Serious problem or a marginal issue ? |
A serious problem within the marginal issue, so marginal. is that too hard for you? | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:50 - Feb 21 with 804 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 16:58 - Feb 21 by Lord_Bony |
Boris Johnson just given a press interview.. He advocates us leaving.. Big repercussions within the party over this. |
There are only big repercussions about him because he's managed to make a big media fuss about it.
He plays the media beautifully. A thoroughly nasty piece of work, who manages to persuade people he's a likeable eccentric. Nothing could be further from the truth. | | | |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:52 - Feb 21 with 804 views | dgt73 |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:48 - Feb 21 by monmouth |
A serious problem within the marginal issue, so marginal. is that too hard for you? |
so you think not worth bring up during the run up to the referendum? | |
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| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:52 - Feb 21 with 800 views | blueytheblue |
| Cameron's EU "deal" negotiations. on 17:34 - Feb 21 by monmouth |
I agree that language issues are a serious problem (not just for east europeans), but this kind of stuff is an example of the utterly spurious and marginal arguments that will be spouted to stir up mass pavlovian emotional response, as Jacko says earlier. |
I'd agree that it's something that can be overplayed; I can only comment on my son's experience. I'd also caveat by pointing out we'd had regular trouble with the school, mostly over the way they mishandled primary care for our disabled son.
The problem however is that where some children take up more than proportional time in class, it's affecting all the children. The previous head at the school indeed blamed the school's poor performance upon the fact the school has a large number of transitional pupils as she put them. The fact a large number of the teachers aren't really that good to begin with was original.
So whilst it's an easy problem to point fingers at it's not just one source using the reality for their own agenda. | |
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