| Leanne and plaid - what happens now 22:43 - Jun 24 with 3700 views | Highjack |
So their number one policy of begging Brussels for more money ad nauseum has gone down the shi itter, where do they go from here? Perhaps the party of Wales will have to actually think of a way for Wales to create her own wealth and well being.
I see carwyns knee jerk reaction is to beg Westminster for more money via the Barnett formula. How original and thoughtful our esteemed politicians are. |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 06:13 - Jun 26 with 1051 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:13 - Jun 25 by perchrockjack |
Wales has not the legal or financial structure of Scotland to break away.
Taxes? From whom. How much?
Wales has always been inextricably linked with England, to leave the union would lave to starvation.
It's why welsh people always vote against it.
Try canvassing support in Swansea for plaid |
No it has not been.
The welsh people have never been asked.
Wales has fantastic resources - not just its natural resources, but also its people and communities.
Yes of course wales is heavily linked to England - just like many friendly nations that share a land border and have very many close historical links. Thats another positive. |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 06:32 - Jun 26 with 1044 views | perchrockjack |
Never been asked ?
Isn't that what a vote I about.
Drugs eh clasie.
Wales independence is a dewy eyed fantasy rejected by the people of wales |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:19 - Jun 26 with 1000 views | ItchySphincter |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 06:19 - Jun 25 by Dr_Winston |
Securing Independence for Wales in Europe.
They should probably rethink that slogan. Also the whole "independence" thing since their main reason for wanting to stay was a £500m handout. |
It's their reason for existence. You can't be both Plaid and Brexit. They're f*cked and may aswell give up. [Post edited 26 Jun 2016 9:21]
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 12:37 - Jun 26 with 964 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:19 - Jun 26 by ItchySphincter |
It's their reason for existence. You can't be both Plaid and Brexit. They're f*cked and may aswell give up. [Post edited 26 Jun 2016 9:21]
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Not at all. Its very clear now that the only European future for Wales is via Plaid. Strengthens their appeal hugely. The only alternative is a Tory english centric government for ever and a day. Vote lyfli Leanne. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 12:39 - Jun 26 with 960 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 12:37 - Jun 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Not at all. Its very clear now that the only European future for Wales is via Plaid. Strengthens their appeal hugely. The only alternative is a Tory english centric government for ever and a day. Vote lyfli Leanne. |
She's too busy stroking Carwyn the traitors hair mun. No policies, no principles will lead to no plaid ! |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 14:25 - Jun 26 with 938 views | trampie |
If there is an early election and if the Labour vote collapses just like some Labour people themselves fear then Plaid could make big gains, I look forward to seeing the lovely Leanne being an important player in the next few months.  |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 14:30 - Jun 26 with 937 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 12:37 - Jun 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Not at all. Its very clear now that the only European future for Wales is via Plaid. Strengthens their appeal hugely. The only alternative is a Tory english centric government for ever and a day. Vote lyfli Leanne. |
But Wales didn't vote to remain Kilkenny.
You can imagine the conversation -
'bore da, Jean-Claude, we want to stay in Europe and want you to bump up the money we'll lose if we leave'
'Bore da Leanne, Wales voted to leave, now sod off'. | | | |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 14:46 - Jun 26 with 922 views | ItchySphincter |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 12:37 - Jun 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Not at all. Its very clear now that the only European future for Wales is via Plaid. Strengthens their appeal hugely. The only alternative is a Tory english centric government for ever and a day. Vote lyfli Leanne. |
But Wales comprehensively voted out. They can't now turn to Plaid. Plaid is basically defunct over night. The only time they could reasonably expect to gain another vote would be in an independent of the UK Wales looking to be in the EU. Plaid is finished. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 14:56 - Jun 26 with 914 views | valleycommando |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:47 - Jun 25 by yescomeon |
You are right but I don't see what is wrong with trying to put the structure in place that would allow us to be self sufficient if we chose to be. Or working towards meeting criteria for EU membership. It would imply improving the situation in Wales from what it currently is. |
The words 'wales' and self sufficient' are light years apart from each other. If wales had any chance of being self sufficient would it have needed so much EU funding to plug the enormous gaps that existed because
1. WAG concentrates everything in the golden circle of SE Wales
2. the rest of wales, especially the valleys and the west are now designated deprived areas because of the lack of investment and, more importantly, interest from the self-serving, complacent, gravy train passengers who can see no further than cardiff bay.
And god help us all if the drive for 'self-sufficiency' and 'independence' is led by that 't.rt with a heart from the valleys' who has lost no time in cosying up to carwyn. Maybe she wants to join him on his private jet to see waaales play footie. Imagine how the voters in the Rhondda feel - they told leighton andrews what to do with his socialist/labour politics and have now got exactly the same but it wears a frock. | | | |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 16:49 - Jun 26 with 882 views | tomdickharry |
All this about independence for Wales,try that one on the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and see how far you will get,not a cat in hell's chance.
If Wales became an independent nation,who would pay for the upkeep of the Severn Tunnel? | | | |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 18:03 - Jun 26 with 842 views | LeonisGod |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 16:49 - Jun 26 by tomdickharry |
All this about independence for Wales,try that one on the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and see how far you will get,not a cat in hell's chance.
If Wales became an independent nation,who would pay for the upkeep of the Severn Tunnel? |
Who'd needs a tunnel? Brick it up. Reinstate the Dyke and make Wales great agsin! Take back control! |  | | |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 18:03 - Jun 26 with 842 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 14:30 - Jun 26 by londonlisa2001 |
But Wales didn't vote to remain Kilkenny.
You can imagine the conversation -
'bore da, Jean-Claude, we want to stay in Europe and want you to bump up the money we'll lose if we leave'
'Bore da Leanne, Wales voted to leave, now sod off'. |
Lisa - only 41,000 people needed to vote remain instead of leave and wales is a tie. Lets not pretend everyone in wales voted out, in fact as many as damn it voted in. A welsh only vote would be very different. The blue on blue Tory in fighting dominated Brexit media coverage. Be different without that circus,
I do agree though that the welsh vote is against the national self interest. People have been fed lies and duped. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 18:11 - Jun 26 with 829 views | waynekerr55 |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 18:03 - Jun 26 by LeonisGod |
Who'd needs a tunnel? Brick it up. Reinstate the Dyke and make Wales great agsin! Take back control! |
"Agsin"?
Vecspentbtoo? |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 20:06 - Jun 26 with 796 views | trampie |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 18:03 - Jun 26 by Kilkennyjack |
Lisa - only 41,000 people needed to vote remain instead of leave and wales is a tie. Lets not pretend everyone in wales voted out, in fact as many as damn it voted in. A welsh only vote would be very different. The blue on blue Tory in fighting dominated Brexit media coverage. Be different without that circus,
I do agree though that the welsh vote is against the national self interest. People have been fed lies and duped. |
Yes good post as usual Kilkennyjack. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 10:44 - Jun 27 with 737 views | trampie |
Come on now Leanne, this is no time to be nice and lets work together soft line, its time to attack.....attack.....attack, attack, attack. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 10:45 - Jun 27 with 689 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 09:57 - Jun 25 by nice_to_michu |
What resources are you referring to?
A lot of the smaller countries that are doing well have large financial service sectors, I don't envision Wales having that. So what would keep the country afloat? [Post edited 25 Jun 2016 9:58]
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Sorry for the late reply, was off on a wee trip to watch the footie. Some examples have been given in the thread already I see. Bit of a cliché but the greatest resource of any nation is it's people. Also as Dr Winston said, but I am not sure if it was sarcastically is water, life isn't possible without water. Wales is mineral rich, there is also shale gas reserves. I'm not exactly pro fraking or mining but they are there. I'm sure there is more than that but those initially come to mind. Look at our closest neighbour Ireland. They went through 2 wars to get their independence and have less resource-wise than Wales and they are now better of than us. Westminster and to be frank the Welsh assembly are failing Wales. To be fair Westminister is failing much of England too. |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 10:57 - Jun 27 with 681 views | trampie |
Its time for Plaid and Leanne to get into um.............get into um  ......get into um , but are Plaid just too nice, too middle of the road, too afraid of upsetting anyone ? to get stuck in and call out the Red and Blue Tories for what they are as well calling out the Purple and Yellow Tories for what they are.
Unfortunately I think Leanne is just too nice, but there you go. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:00 - Jun 27 with 676 views | Highjack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 14:25 - Jun 26 by trampie |
If there is an early election and if the Labour vote collapses just like some Labour people themselves fear then Plaid could make big gains, I look forward to seeing the lovely Leanne being an important player in the next few months. |
We were hoping Aidan Newhouse would become an important player too, but it never happened because he was horse shite. Same applies to Leanne. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:10 - Jun 27 with 666 views | LeonisGod |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 08:47 - Jun 25 by yescomeon |
You are right but I don't see what is wrong with trying to put the structure in place that would allow us to be self sufficient if we chose to be. Or working towards meeting criteria for EU membership. It would imply improving the situation in Wales from what it currently is. |
I imagine raising enough wealth from our public service dominated landscspe would be pretty much impossible. | | | |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:11 - Jun 27 with 664 views | father_jack |
absolutely believe trampie is paid by plaid to spout shit on here. |  |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:13 - Jun 27 with 662 views | Highjack |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:11 - Jun 27 by father_jack |
absolutely believe trampie is paid by plaid to spout shit on here. |
They should ask for their money back. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:17 - Jun 27 with 658 views | trampie |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:11 - Jun 27 by father_jack |
absolutely believe trampie is paid by plaid to spout shit on here. |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:23 - Jun 27 with 645 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 14:56 - Jun 26 by valleycommando |
The words 'wales' and self sufficient' are light years apart from each other. If wales had any chance of being self sufficient would it have needed so much EU funding to plug the enormous gaps that existed because
1. WAG concentrates everything in the golden circle of SE Wales
2. the rest of wales, especially the valleys and the west are now designated deprived areas because of the lack of investment and, more importantly, interest from the self-serving, complacent, gravy train passengers who can see no further than cardiff bay.
And god help us all if the drive for 'self-sufficiency' and 'independence' is led by that 't.rt with a heart from the valleys' who has lost no time in cosying up to carwyn. Maybe she wants to join him on his private jet to see waaales play footie. Imagine how the voters in the Rhondda feel - they told leighton andrews what to do with his socialist/labour politics and have now got exactly the same but it wears a frock. |
Ah christ, I'd written out a long reply and google chrome crashed. I'm going to just briefly summaries what I wrote.
1. a) Plaid failed Wales in this referendum, they didn't effectively communicate the ramifications of a leave vote for Wales.
1. b) All other major parties in Wales; Welsh Labour and Welsh Conservatives also failed Wales for the same reasons.
1. c) It should be recognised though the difficulty they have given Wales' lack of an independent media. The electorate in Wales were fed the English arguments and voted on the English arguments perhaps in some cases without being fully aware of the ramifications for Wales.
2. The concentration of wealth in the south east corner of the country is just as much a problem in England as it is in Wales. (not making excuses for the assembly, the whole point of it should be so we can take a different approach in Wales, closer to what we need not just a smaller version of what the English have)
3. The words 'self sufficient' and 'United Kingdom' are not much closer together than those of Wales. Of course the UK is streets ahead in terms of government infrastructure, anyone would be mad to argue any different. But from an economic point of view, to me as a layman the UK doesn't look all that self sufficient. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:45 - Jun 27 with 635 views | yescomeon |
| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:10 - Jun 27 by LeonisGod |
I imagine raising enough wealth from our public service dominated landscspe would be pretty much impossible. |
Maybe I am an idealist but I just feel we have to try. A country can't expect to live on handouts. When I look at Wales I feel like I see someone who has spent half their lives on the dole and is too scared to try and go out to work in case they fail. Without greater autonomy in Wales (and not necessarily) I really just don't see how things will ever change. Getting Labour out of the Assembly or at least giving them a good kick up the arse would be a start. But who will replace them, at the moment Plaid look like not much more than the lesser of quite a few evils at the moment. | |
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| Leanne and plaid - what happens now on 11:49 - Jun 27 with 631 views | Lord_Bony |
If Plaid Cymru could demonstrate to me how we could fund and sustain growth as an independent Wales I would definatley sit up and listen..... |  |
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