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Once Everton has touched you...... 12:09 - Aug 11 with 8781 views

attila_the_hun

"I'm Free"

Once Everton has touched you...... on 15:51 - Aug 11 with 1891 views

jasper_T

Once Everton has touched you...... on 14:17 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001

Yeah - apart from he's really not is he.

Which is why Mourinho wanted Stones at £30m plus last season and Pep has bought him at £47m now. To say Williams is better than him is just nonsense, which is why no Champions League club have ever gone near him, let alone at that sort of money. The age counts for some of it, but even at his height and at 24 or 25 Williams wouldn't have interested the top managers.

[Post edited 11 Aug 2016 14:18]

Stones is a poor defender with a reputation based on ball-playing (and overplaying), his youth meaning he "can only get better" (which is nonsense) and his nationality at a time when England have no standout centrebacks.

He's going to go right on the Man City scrapheap like every other defender they've bought for big money in the last 3-4 years.

Once Everton has touched you...... on 15:51 - Aug 11 with 1894 views

Phil_S

Once Everton has touched you...... on 15:03 - Aug 11 by AngelRangelQS

Personally I think it'll just keep getting worse and worse. People have been saying for years it'll implode on itself but I just can't see it.

It'll model itself on the NFL for instance that is gaining popularity all over the world on a yearly basis. We'll be playing games abroad, kicking off at times to suit audiences across the other side of the world, etc and the foreign TV deals will keep rolling in. I bet the PL have barely scratched the surface in USA, Asia, etc.

It'll be no good for the people who go to games but we make up a tiny percentage of fans in reality. People probably pay more to Sky Sports for a 12 month subscription than the average football fan (taking into account the FL) does for a Season Ticket.. Who is going to be the priority?

Sadly you are probably right - football isn't the game that many of us grew up watching and you are right it will get worse.

I know many football fans who now watch lower league football instead of the sides they used to watch because they feel more of an affinity for a club rather than a brand

The moment that 39th game comes in (and you are right it will) is the moment that the diehard fan has ceased to have any real significance at all

Once Everton has touched you...... on 15:59 - Aug 11 with 1854 views

sully49

How the mighty has fallen, unbelievably bad taste. He has forgotten us quickly.
As Darren so aptly teaches us F*ck him.

Poll:

Is there any way for Lee Trundle to play in this squad?

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:01 - Aug 11 with 1842 views

londonlisa2001

Once Everton has touched you...... on 15:51 - Aug 11 by jasper_T
Stones is a poor defender with a reputation based on ball-playing (and overplaying), his youth meaning he "can only get better" (which is nonsense) and his nationality at a time when England have no standout centrebacks. He's going to go right on the Man City scrapheap like every other defender they've bought for big money in the last 3-4 years.

I think he's overrated as well, but there's a hell of a gulf between being overrated and 'Ashley Williams is way better than John Stones'.

You wouldn't find a single manager that agrees with you. After all, as you have yourself said on many occasions, Williams was not good enough for a Champions League team, and there wouldn't be one in this country that wouldn't have taken Stones. Not for £47m, but that is irrelevant in comparing which player is 'better' which is what you've said.

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:07 - Aug 11 with 1822 views

PozuelosSideys

Stones is a modern Rio Ferdinand. He'll be quality, but has a long way to develop. Hes young though.

But 10 years ago he'd have cost £15m. Blame the tv money.

	"Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper."
Poll:	Hattricks

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:14 - Aug 11 with 1801 views

skippyjack

Once Everton has touched you...... on 15:51 - Aug 11 by Phil_S

The European Super League is getting closer.. and the Worldwide Club Cup..

MLS
China
Saudi Leagues
South America
Africa
A League

All catching up with Europe in the £ stakes..

MLS attendances averaging 4.8 million fans per year..

China attendances averaging 5 million fans per year..

A League attendances averaging 1.6 million fans per year

it's all growing with popularity.. and all leagues progressing.

it's the most popular sport in the world.. A European Super League is not far off..

Air travel and hotel prices decreasing.. it'll be a regular 'thing' fans will travel on to matches.. I can imagine all the leagues branching out into European divisions.. battling out to make the European Super League.

Players are nothing more than business organisations these days..

	The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds.
Poll:	Best Swans Player

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:16 - Aug 11 with 1797 views

jasper_T

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:07 - Aug 11 by PozuelosSideys
Stones is a modern Rio Ferdinand. He'll be quality, but has a long way to develop. Hes young though. But 10 years ago he'd have cost £15m. Blame the tv money.

At Stones age Rio was dragging Leeds through the CL.

Stones spent much of last season behind Jagielka and Funes Mori on merit.

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:43 - Aug 11 with 1732 views

londonlisa2001

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:16 - Aug 11 by jasper_T
At Stones age Rio was dragging Leeds through the CL. Stones spent much of last season behind Jagielka and Funes Mori on merit.

What are you talking about?

He started 29 of the 38 games for Everton in the Pl last year. How is that spending 'much of last season behind Jagielka and Funes Mori'?

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:50 - Aug 11 with 1713 views

jack247

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:14 - Aug 11 by skippyjack

None of those leagues are anywhere near the PL. they may be growing, but the PL is growing faster.

The fans there turn up to games in their Man Utd and Chelsea tops then go home and watch their real team on their cable tv subscription that costs them more than match day tickets.

Bar the established leagues in Europe and South America, the PL is more popular than the respective domestic league more or less everywhere. It may be reaching saturation point here, but worldwide it is exploding at a far greater pace than any of the others.

Hotels and planes will not become part of the average match day experience for many fans.

Once Everton has touched you...... on 17:09 - Aug 11 with 1652 views

skippyjack

It'll be something like this...

European Super League

Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Athletico Madrid
Juventus
PSG
Borussia Dortmund
Chelsea
Benfica
Sevilla
Arsenal
Porto
Man City
Schalke 04
Bayer Leverkusen
Zenit St Petersburg
.................................
Napoli
Shakhtar Donetsk
..................................
Valencia
Basel

European Championship..

Tottenham
Man Utd
.........................
Dynamo Kiev
Galatasaray
..........................
Fiorentina
Lazio
Olympiacos
Liverpool
Wolfsburg
Dnipro
Villarreal
Athletic Bilbao
Lyon
AC Milan
Ajax
PSV
.......................
Rubin Kazan
Anderlecht
........................
Fenerbahce
Malaga

European League One..

Borussia Monchengladbach
Sparta Prague
Roma
Inter
Club Brugge
Celtic
CSKA Moscow
Monaco
Viktoria Plzen
Red Bull Salzburg
Sporting
Braga
Levante
Steaua Bucuresti
Anzhi
Real Betis
.................................
Besiktas
BATE Borisov
..................................
Newcastle
Genk

European League Two..

Bordeaux
Everton
PAOK
Dinamo Moscow
Marseille
Trabzonspor
Ludogorets Razgard
E.Frankfurt
AZ
Torino
St.Etienne
Real Sociedad
Stuttgart
Hannover
Gent
.........................
Rapid Wein
Krasnodar
Young Boys
Dinamo Zagreb
Slovak Liberec

Then you go to the national leagues..

All the Champions of..

Group Stage

England
Spain
Germany
Italy
France
Russia
Portugal
Ukraine
Belgium
Turkey
Switzerland
Czech Republic
Netherlands
Croatia
Greece
Romania
Austria
Belarus
Sweden
Denmark

Second Qualifying Round

Norway
Poland
Scotland
Israel
Azerbaijan
Cyprus
Serbia
Kazakhstan
Bulgaria
Slovenia
Slovakia
Liechtenstein
Hungary
Moldova
Iceland
Finland
Bosnia
Georgia
Albania
Latvia
ROI
Macedonia
Estonia
Armenia
Luxembourg

First Qualifying Round

N.Ireland
Lithuania
Malta
Wales
Faroe Islands
Gibraltar
Andorra
San Marino

First Qualifying 8 teams
Second Qualifying 30 teams
Group Stage 35 teams 6 Groups of 5
Group Stage 12 teams 2 Groups of 6
Top 2 of each group and Best 3rd place side promoted to the European Elite League.

	The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds.
Poll:	Best Swans Player

Once Everton has touched you...... on 17:12 - Aug 11 with 1638 views

skippyjack

Once Everton has touched you...... on 16:50 - Aug 11 by jack247

You genuinely believe a European Super League is not in the pipeline?

Uefa and Fifa have already structured it.. and affordable travel costs and hotels for away fans have been in the paperwork.

	The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds.
Poll:	Best Swans Player

Once Everton has touched you...... on 17:35 - Aug 11 with 1586 views

jack247

Once Everton has touched you...... on 17:12 - Aug 11 by skippyjack
You genuinely believe a European Super League is not in the pipeline? Uefa and Fifa have already structured it.. and affordable travel costs and hotels for away fans have been in the paperwork.

Yes I do. The PL is by far and away the biggest cash cow. UEFA and FIFA are not going to destroy it, the CL and several other leagues just so Man United can play Real Madrid more often. As much as the clubs themselves may want it, the governing bodies wont.

Look at the prospective divisions you have posted. Who is going to travel to the other side of Europe to watch the vast majority of that? Who will pay to watch it on TV?

It was the rest of your post I really disagreed with though. The notion of the MLS and Chinese Super League being a credible threat to the PL is laughable. Let alone the A league.

Once Everton has touched you...... on 17:44 - Aug 11 with 1557 views

DafyddHuw

Once Everton has touched you...... on 14:25 - Aug 11 by Darran
I've been saying this for a number of years it's a disgrace and Williams can go f*ck himself.

Correct on both points.

He'll miss us more than we'll miss him.

[Post edited 11 Aug 2016 18:45]

Once Everton has touched you...... on 19:39 - Aug 11 with 1377 views

Swanseajill

Once Everton has touched you...... on 17:44 - Aug 11 by DafyddHuw
Correct on both points. He'll miss us more than we'll miss him. [Post edited 11 Aug 2016 18:45]

There is no doubt that Ash has been a great player for us over the years.
But that vid is a kick in the teeth for all the Swans fans that have supported him for many years.
I will still be a fan when he plays for Wales ( well..you have to, don't you} but as far as I'm concerned he is no longer our player, lets move on.
Onward and upward Swans.

Once Everton has touched you...... on 19:52 - Aug 11 with 1334 views

jack247

Once Everton has touched you...... on 15:59 - Aug 11 by sully49
How the mighty has fallen, unbelievably bad taste. He has forgotten us quickly. As Darren so aptly teaches us F*ck him.

At last Jazz had the balls, or the inclination, or both to say no

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:04 - Aug 11 with 1239 views

max936

Dear me, what a moby, fair play he's trying very hard to please without kicking a frigging ball for them.

Poll:

Will it Snow this coming Winter

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:14 - Aug 11 with 1209 views

SwansNZ

f*ck him

Poll:

Should the official match day thread include pictures?

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:21 - Aug 11 with 1193 views

ItchySphincter

Once Everton has touched you...... on 13:53 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001

Everton Weekes was a cricketer for the West Indies wasn't he?

There's a roundabout named after him in Barbados.

The bit I don't understand about the Ash Williams social media stuff, is that they've sold a player for £50m, replaced him with a 32 year old for £12m and are announcing it as though it's the transfer of Bale or Ronaldo.

If we sold a player for £50m and replaced them with a 32 year old for £12m there'd be ructions on here about asset stripping, lack of ambition, 'where's the money gone' stuff etc. I don't understand how they can be happy. Of course Stones isn't worth what they've received, but that doesn't help the fans - it's not like they have cheaper tickets now. Strange.

When I was in Barbados there was only one roundabout on the whole island. It was such a novelty that they used to go round and round it.

[Post edited 11 Aug 2016 20:26]

	â€˜â€¦â€¦. like a moth to Itchyâ€™s flame â€¦â€¦â€™
Poll:	Planet Swans or Planet Swans? Which one's you favourite.

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:35 - Aug 11 with 1155 views

morningstar

Once Everton has touched you...... on 17:09 - Aug 11 by skippyjack

Is that it or can we look forward to a 'final draft' in the coming days once you've did a little more in depth research?

	Only winner of Planetswans Petulant Diva award.
Poll:	Southampton home next. How many points

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:37 - Aug 11 with 1144 views

Pegojack

Hey, Skippy, I bet you couldn't list all the Welsh born players who've ever turned out for Swansea Town / City...

*sits back*

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:40 - Aug 11 with 1126 views

SwansNZ

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:37 - Aug 11 by Pegojack
Hey, Skippy, I bet you couldn't list all the Welsh born players who've ever turned out for Swansea Town / City... sits back

Skippy loves his lists

Poll:

Should the official match day thread include pictures?

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:56 - Aug 11 with 1070 views

londonlisa2001

Once Everton has touched you...... on 19:39 - Aug 11 by Swanseajill
There is no doubt that Ash has been a great player for us over the years. But that vid is a kick in the teeth for all the Swans fans that have supported him for many years. I will still be a fan when he plays for Wales ( well..you have to, don't you} but as far as I'm concerned he is no longer our player, lets move on. Onward and upward Swans.

Agree with you swanseajill.

In fact, the whole last day or so has been very very strange. The club did a big 'thank you' to him and the acknowledgment the other way has been more suited to a player that's been with us for a season or so, not for 8 years.

Ayew made more of an effort to say goodbye and he was with us for a couple of minutes in comparison.

Very, very odd. Couple of comments made by him (Everton have a good manager, club going in right direction) and us (asked to leave, Guidolin saying he didn't want to get involved, and he thinks a player should be allowed to go) are not what you'd expect after such a long time.

No love lost perhaps, on either side. Fits in with a few comments that have been made that he disagreed with the non appointment of Brendan.

As you say - not our player. I look forward to our 6 foot 5 centre forward running up against him from corners when we play them...

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:59 - Aug 11 with 1059 views

londonlisa2001

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:21 - Aug 11 by ItchySphincter
When I was in Barbados there was only one roundabout on the whole island. It was such a novelty that they used to go round and round it. [Post edited 11 Aug 2016 20:26]

Lol - brilliantly Bajan thing to do - they probably took a picnic and went on a family day out. Loads of them now though - all the way up the highway 1 - all named after famous sons/ daughters of Barbados,

Once Everton has touched you...... on 21:03 - Aug 11 with 1042 views

SwansNZ

Once Everton has touched you...... on 20:56 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001

Quite possibly Ash wrongly thought he was bigger than the club.

He was a player (and yes, captain), and should have no input into any player/manager signings.

Poll:

Should the official match day thread include pictures?

Once Everton has touched you...... on 21:05 - Aug 11 with 1037 views

PozuelosSideys

Is there a smell here that the club wanted to cash in due to his age or whatever, and he would have rather stayed but on bigger bucks with his ego demanding he be highest earner?

	"Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper."
Poll:	Hattricks

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