| Severn Bridge Tolls 16:36 - Jul 21 with 6746 views | Swans777 |
To be scrapped altogether by the end of 2018.
Great news for South Wales.  |  | | |  |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:39 - Jul 21 with 3625 views | raynor94 |
You will be lucky to get into South Wales, the jams will be horrendous |  |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:45 - Jul 21 with 3615 views | Swans777 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:39 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
You will be lucky to get into South Wales, the jams will be horrendous |
What are you talking about my friend. Or would you rather they kept the tolls in place ? | | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:53 - Jul 21 with 3605 views | raynor94 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:45 - Jul 21 by Swans777 |
What are you talking about my friend. Or would you rather they kept the tolls in place ? |
You are trying to put words in my mouth, I'm pointing out the traffic from the bridge to the Brynglass tunnels will be horrendous, that's all | |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:59 - Jul 21 with 3598 views | Swans777 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:53 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
You are trying to put words in my mouth, I'm pointing out the traffic from the bridge to the Brynglass tunnels will be horrendous, that's all |
I've yet to meet anyone who's not made the journey across the bridge due to the cost. ( I'm sure there are some though). People need to cross the bridge, it's as simple as that, and the traffic is already bad.
An extra £100,000,000 into the South Wales economy, I believe as a result of axing the tolls. | | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:19 - Jul 21 with 3573 views | Neath_Jack |
Number one infrastructure job should be to build the Newport relief road. |  |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:26 - Jul 21 with 3567 views | Swans777 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:19 - Jul 21 by Neath_Jack |
Number one infrastructure job should be to build the Newport relief road. |
Absolutely. Action we need, not more talking.
Get the bulldozers moving. | | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:28 - Jul 21 with 3561 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:53 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
You are trying to put words in my mouth, I'm pointing out the traffic from the bridge to the Brynglass tunnels will be horrendous, that's all |
Do you reckon hordes of people avoid the bridges when coming into Wales now because of the tolls then? |  |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:30 - Jul 21 with 3557 views | Darran |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:28 - Jul 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Do you reckon hordes of people avoid the bridges when coming into Wales now because of the tolls then? |
Only tight fuçkers like 3swan. |  |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:34 - Jul 21 with 3550 views | Whiterockin |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:19 - Jul 21 by Neath_Jack |
Number one infrastructure job should be to build the Newport relief road. |
And make it a toll, more money will be made than with the bridge. |  | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:36 - Jul 21 with 3550 views | pikeypaul |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:28 - Jul 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Do you reckon hordes of people avoid the bridges when coming into Wales now because of the tolls then? |
I flew back from the West Ham game last year to get one over the toll collectors  |  |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:26 - Jul 21 with 3500 views | Private_Partz |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:28 - Jul 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Do you reckon hordes of people avoid the bridges when coming into Wales now because of the tolls then? |
BBC Cardiff think so and are now pushing for their billion pound fiasco of a road to compensate. |  |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:30 - Jul 21 with 3498 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:59 - Jul 21 by Swans777 |
I've yet to meet anyone who's not made the journey across the bridge due to the cost. ( I'm sure there are some though). People need to cross the bridge, it's as simple as that, and the traffic is already bad.
An extra £100,000,000 into the South Wales economy, I believe as a result of axing the tolls. |
Can I ask how both of your statements can possibly be true? |  | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:34 - Jul 21 with 3491 views | raynor94 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:28 - Jul 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Do you reckon hordes of people avoid the bridges when coming into Wales now because of the tolls then? |
Well, BBC Wales are reporting a 20% increase in traffic on the M4, and the infrastructure is not up to it, the relief road is desperately | |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:34 - Jul 21 with 3490 views | owainglyndwr |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:59 - Jul 21 by Swans777 |
I've yet to meet anyone who's not made the journey across the bridge due to the cost. ( I'm sure there are some though). People need to cross the bridge, it's as simple as that, and the traffic is already bad.
An extra £100,000,000 into the South Wales economy, I believe as a result of axing the tolls. |
Another boost for Cardiff |  | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:36 - Jul 21 with 3486 views | ploppy |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 16:53 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
You are trying to put words in my mouth, I'm pointing out the traffic from the bridge to the Brynglass tunnels will be horrendous, that's all |
There's no doubt the tolls currently have a throttling effect on traffic entering Wales. On the face of it, it seems obvious that if you remove that throttle then the traffic that now queues at the bridges will just end up adding to the queues in Newport (unless a lot of the traffic goes off to Chepstow/Caldicot). That's without the potential extra traffic - people in Bristol might now be tempted to go shopping in Newport (I can't believe I've just written that). It'll take some very expensive simulation/modelling to analyse the likely effect, but I'd put money on being correct. For me, the M4 Newport relief road is a no-brainer. [Post edited 21 Jul 2017 18:41]
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:37 - Jul 21 with 3481 views | Swans777 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:34 - Jul 21 by owainglyndwr |
Another boost for Cardiff |
Yes my friend.
I believe Cardiff will now get 5 points for a win, as a result of abolishing the tolls. | | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:42 - Jul 21 with 3470 views | Private_Partz |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:34 - Jul 21 by raynor94 |
Well, BBC Wales are reporting a 20% increase in traffic on the M4, and the infrastructure is not up to it, the relief road is desperately |
Yeh, BBC Cardiff also reported a few months ago that an 'expert' said Brynglas was the most congested in Europe which is bollo.
It is just commuter traffic that slows the flow down at peak times and there is a decent road South if the tunnels that can be improved for that. The twinning of the Heads of the Valley will more than compensate for any increase in flows anyway. | |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:44 - Jul 21 with 3464 views | Swans777 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:30 - Jul 21 by londonlisa2001 |
Can I ask how both of your statements can possibly be true? |
You can ask me whatever you want, my friend.
Firstly, it's a fact that the tolls are be scrapped.
Secondly, it's a fact I've never met anyone who's avoided the tolls because of cost.
This is not about traffic congestion, which is obviously a problem on this important corridor into South Wales.
If we use the logic that scrapping the tolls will increase congestion, then maybe we shouldn't scrap the tolls at all, and instead increase the cost to £50. This would no doubt result in less congestion along the corridor. | | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:44 - Jul 21 with 3461 views | raynor94 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:42 - Jul 21 by Private_Partz |
Yeh, BBC Cardiff also reported a few months ago that an 'expert' said Brynglas was the most congested in Europe which is bollo.
It is just commuter traffic that slows the flow down at peak times and there is a decent road South if the tunnels that can be improved for that. The twinning of the Heads of the Valley will more than compensate for any increase in flows anyway. |
Aye, but you are biased | |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:45 - Jul 21 with 3458 views | Neath_Jack |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:42 - Jul 21 by Private_Partz |
Yeh, BBC Cardiff also reported a few months ago that an 'expert' said Brynglas was the most congested in Europe which is bollo.
It is just commuter traffic that slows the flow down at peak times and there is a decent road South if the tunnels that can be improved for that. The twinning of the Heads of the Valley will more than compensate for any increase in flows anyway. |
What is your problem with the Newport relief road? You always stamp your feet when it's mentioned. | |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:49 - Jul 21 with 3448 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:44 - Jul 21 by Swans777 |
You can ask me whatever you want, my friend.
Firstly, it's a fact that the tolls are be scrapped.
Secondly, it's a fact I've never met anyone who's avoided the tolls because of cost.
This is not about traffic congestion, which is obviously a problem on this important corridor into South Wales.
If we use the logic that scrapping the tolls will increase congestion, then maybe we shouldn't scrap the tolls at all, and instead increase the cost to £50. This would no doubt result in less congestion along the corridor. |
No, I meant that if it's true that no one avoids the tolls because of cost, it can't possibly have a billion pound impact on the Welsh economy.
Either it boosts the economy (implication being greater trade) in which case there must be trade being stopped at present due to the tolls, or it doesn't have any effect because no one's behaviour will change. | | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:51 - Jul 21 with 3444 views | monmouth |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 17:28 - Jul 21 by exiledclaseboy |
Do you reckon hordes of people avoid the bridges when coming into Wales now because of the tolls then? |
Yes, I would say so. Particularly lorries. This will have a major effect on the M50 and Ross/Monmouth roads, and the A48 in Chepstow, depending on whether the M5/M4 links can cope. |  |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:54 - Jul 21 with 3440 views | Private_Partz |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:45 - Jul 21 by Neath_Jack |
What is your problem with the Newport relief road? You always stamp your feet when it's mentioned. |
I though that was obvious. Imho it is not needed and there are far cheaper alternatives to ease the commuter traffic. The HOV twinning will ease traffic as well as any traffic heading to, or from, the Midlands or the North will not touch Brynglas anyway.
Margam flyover and beyond us every bit as bad so a billion pound on infrastructure can be much better spent elsewhere.
Apologies to all for repeating myself but glad to clarify it for you ;-) | |
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| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:54 - Jul 21 with 3439 views | Swans777 |
I don't for one minute suggest there will not be an increase of traffic into South Wales as a result of scrapping the tolls.
Therefore the powers that be, need a kick up the arse and get the M4 corridor especially around Newport, fit for purpose.
An extra £100,000,000 into the South Wales economy, means more jobs, simply put. | | | |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:58 - Jul 21 with 3429 views | Neath_Jack |
| Severn Bridge Tolls on 18:54 - Jul 21 by Private_Partz |
I though that was obvious. Imho it is not needed and there are far cheaper alternatives to ease the commuter traffic. The HOV twinning will ease traffic as well as any traffic heading to, or from, the Midlands or the North will not touch Brynglas anyway.
Margam flyover and beyond us every bit as bad so a billion pound on infrastructure can be much better spent elsewhere.
Apologies to all for repeating myself but glad to clarify it for you ;-) |
Heads of the Valleys and Margam is not and never will be, the gateway into Wales. IT is the worst bit of road (frustrating) that i drive through, and i'm all over the country every day of my career. It is desperately needed. | |
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