| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 14:31 - Apr 28 with 4844 views | Dalenet |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 14:20 - Apr 28 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
Phew!! Had me going there… |
Sorted now. They have to buy over the phone by dialling Spotland and print an e-ticket off beforehand. No ticket office, no portacabin, no cash at the turnstiles |  | |  |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 15:53 - Apr 28 with 4700 views | TVOS1907 |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 13:42 - Apr 28 by Yorkshire_Dale |
To be fair, in between bouts Joseph has done a half decent job at Brovers?
They were as bad as our lot when he took over. |
And he has been given considerable funds and backing to re-build the squad, not to mention gates around three times the size of ours. |  |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 16:02 - Apr 28 with 4670 views | D_Alien |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 15:53 - Apr 28 by TVOS1907 |
And he has been given considerable funds and backing to re-build the squad, not to mention gates around three times the size of ours. |
How far back do your Dale average attendances stretch, TVOS?
I've tried googling for Dale's with no luck, but reckon our final average will be higher whilst finishing in the bottom half of L2 (or fourth tier) for decades
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 16:09 - Apr 28 with 4663 views | TVOS1907 |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 16:02 - Apr 28 by D_Alien |
How far back do your Dale average attendances stretch, TVOS?
I've tried googling for Dale's with no luck, but reckon our final average will be higher whilst finishing in the bottom half of L2 (or fourth tier) for decades
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Got them back to 1921 (at a time when millions of people watched Hornets, apparently), although they weren't accurate or complete back in those days.
I can't access them this evening, but I can have a look over the weekend. | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 16:40 - Apr 28 with 4601 views | D_Alien |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 16:09 - Apr 28 by TVOS1907 |
Got them back to 1921 (at a time when millions of people watched Hornets, apparently), although they weren't accurate or complete back in those days.
I can't access them this evening, but I can have a look over the weekend. |
Thanks
It'll be most useful to know when the final figure has been established for this season
If i were to hazard a guess, we could be looking at before the first promotion in 68/69 (mainly due to KH dragging us into the top half in both 2006/07 & 2012/13
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 17:40 - Apr 28 with 4494 views | AtThePeake |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 14:09 - Apr 28 by D_Alien |
Our current average gate after 22 home games is 2784
Assuming a gate of around 4500 on Saturday, that'd take our season's average to about 2850
which imo is pretty decent considering our position in the table
In fact, i'm struggling to think of the last time we averaged above 2800 whilst finishing in the bottom half of L2? |
According to this we averaged 2808 when we last finished in the bottom half of League Two which was 2005/2006. It doesn't go back much further than that though
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/afc-rochdale/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/10 |  |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 17:53 - Apr 28 with 4464 views | D_Alien |
Cheers. It's a bit annoying that with all the other data freely available there's no definitive longer-term averages (except for TVOS!)
Saturday's gate will take us above the 2005/06 figure, given the number of away tickets already sold | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 21:19 - Apr 28 with 4192 views | 49thseason |
It would seem that in terms of recruiting new supporters we are only just replacing those who fall away. Nothing we have done in the last 100 years has resulted in a dramatic increase in support... still being here is more or less our only claim to fame. Considering the marketing initiatives that have been tried over the last 20 years the number of core supporters simply isn't really shifting. So its time to look at the demographics and re-build from the bottom.
Maybe its now time to start with U11s and U16s and offer £50 AND £75 season tickets until they turn 18 and then charge £100 until they turn 21 in an attempt to cement the habit of watching Dale in the kids and their parents and friends. Constancy of Purpose, High Quality Interactions and a recognition that "Transformation is everyone's job" is what is needed.
We are in an ideal position to implement change, we have thrown out the old guard, much of our local competition is withering. People are desperate to be associated with success and enthusiasm. Lets not revert to the old arguments of "been there , tried that, it didn't work", that was then, this is now. Fans own and run the club, we have a thriving Trust, in 12 months or so we can re-implement the Gold Bond and re-engage with a huge potential audience. We have great connections in local schools, long term sponsors and willing volunteers. Let us re-examine everything to see how it might be improved, lets be creative, diligent and take criticism as a desire to improve not a personal insult.
We know we can't win every game, and even if we did, would that alone solve the small crowds problem? In the 60s , 4000 was fairly common for a "gate", all those men who watched then are more or less gone. We knew we weren't First division, we stood on cinders and threw loose change into a blanket at half time, but the habit was formed and 60 odd years later the appeal of a home game is as strong as ever. We need an initiative that creates the habit but now we need more enthusiasm more entertainment and much better club to crowd relationships. There are far more demands on our time and wallets than the 1960s but the 21st Century kids want lasers and noise and excitement, the wow factor that every other person on TV is looking for. Not a crappy tannoy, dim lights and the same old same old.
There is no reason why this cannot be the best "Club" in the EFL, maybe not the best team but if we can improve one thing every day, every week, every season, who knows where it could take us? Constancy of Purpose. Doing everything better, 1% improvements every day. We have nothing to lose if we do and maybe everything if we don't. |  | | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 08:33 - Apr 29 with 3881 views | mikehunt |
Do we include green initiatives in that list of improvements? Maybe not as eyecatching as whizz-bang lasers etc but, as FGR have demonstrated, something to get people enthused about. |  |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 10:43 - Apr 29 with 3767 views | 49thseason |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 08:33 - Apr 29 by mikehunt |
Do we include green initiatives in that list of improvements? Maybe not as eyecatching as whizz-bang lasers etc but, as FGR have demonstrated, something to get people enthused about. |
Indeed we should. Especially as there is much we could do to reduce overheads. The Main stand roof could be covered in solar panels, all the lights swapped for LEDs, and maybe some of these installed on the other stands...
https://alpha-311.com/news/turbines-installed-spinning-at-london-o2-arena/
Add a couple of Tesla batteries and we would make large savings on the electricity bills.
Similarly we could install some electric vehicle charging points and get some revenue from them.
We need to fight on all fronts to both make money and save money as long as the cost /benefit works. Maybe some of what is needed can be paid for by sponsorship from the manufacturers and distributors. | | | |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 12:10 - Apr 29 with 3625 views | D_Alien |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 10:43 - Apr 29 by 49thseason |
Indeed we should. Especially as there is much we could do to reduce overheads. The Main stand roof could be covered in solar panels, all the lights swapped for LEDs, and maybe some of these installed on the other stands...
https://alpha-311.com/news/turbines-installed-spinning-at-london-o2-arena/
Add a couple of Tesla batteries and we would make large savings on the electricity bills.
Similarly we could install some electric vehicle charging points and get some revenue from them.
We need to fight on all fronts to both make money and save money as long as the cost /benefit works. Maybe some of what is needed can be paid for by sponsorship from the manufacturers and distributors. |
Technology aside, there's real substantial work going on with our local communities
https://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/news-headlines/145762/rochdale-
These types of initiatives may take time to come to fruition in terms of footfall, or young players coming through the ranks, but it's vital if any new faces appear at the COA on matchday they're made to feel welcome | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 12:55 - Apr 29 with 3545 views | electricblue |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 10:43 - Apr 29 by 49thseason |
Indeed we should. Especially as there is much we could do to reduce overheads. The Main stand roof could be covered in solar panels, all the lights swapped for LEDs, and maybe some of these installed on the other stands...
https://alpha-311.com/news/turbines-installed-spinning-at-london-o2-arena/
Add a couple of Tesla batteries and we would make large savings on the electricity bills.
Similarly we could install some electric vehicle charging points and get some revenue from them.
We need to fight on all fronts to both make money and save money as long as the cost /benefit works. Maybe some of what is needed can be paid for by sponsorship from the manufacturers and distributors. |
The solar panels is an excellent idea and there are 3 huge stand areas that could have them installed.
Pearl Street.
Willbuts
Main stand.
The LEDS is also a goid idea but at what cost!
Its not a simple bulb replacement but a rewire aswell. |  |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 16:52 - Apr 29 with 3321 views | 49thseason |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 12:55 - Apr 29 by electricblue |
The solar panels is an excellent idea and there are 3 huge stand areas that could have them installed.
Pearl Street.
Willbuts
Main stand.
The LEDS is also a goid idea but at what cost!
Its not a simple bulb replacement but a rewire aswell. |
I don't think LEDs need a rewire for the most part, certainly not inside the buildings, well my house didn't need a rewire at least, I have LEDs in every light fitting. My neighbour has LED floodlights that didn't need any extra wiring. I recall that the club were saying the main floodlights needed replacing and I have no idea about what would be required for that job , but even so , if they need to be done it makes sense to use LEDs. all the other stadium lights can be redone as LEDs including the lighting under the stands.
https://www.ledkia.com/uk/20-buy-serie-high-efficiency-pro | | | |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 10:39 - Apr 30 with 2951 views | Dale_4_Life |
Nice day for it!!!
Up the Dale - Not for Sale...  | | | |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 17:36 - May 2 with 2324 views | TVOS1907 |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 16:40 - Apr 28 by D_Alien |
Thanks
It'll be most useful to know when the final figure has been established for this season
If i were to hazard a guess, we could be looking at before the first promotion in 68/69 (mainly due to KH dragging us into the top half in both 2006/07 & 2012/13
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I've started in 1960/61, which was our first bottom half finish in Division Four. These are the average home attendances when finishing in the bottom half (with visiting fans included).
1960/61 (17th): 3,929
1963/64 (20th): 3,020
1965/66 (21st): 2,973
1966/67 (21st): 2,442
1967/68 (19th): 2,292
1974/75 (19th): 1,507
1975/76 (16th): 1,594
1976/77 (18th): 1,745
1977/78 (24th): 1,276
1978/79 (20th): 1,767
1979/80 (24th): 1,926
1980/81 (15th): 2,460
1981/82 (21st): 1,818
1982/83 (20th): 1,688
1983/84 (22nd): 1,491
1984/85 (17th): 1,434
1985/86 (18th): 1,790
1986/87 (21st): 2,151
1987/88 (21st): 1,939
1988/89 (18th): 1,968
1994/95 (15th): 2,184
1995/96 (15th): 2,253
1996/97 (14th): 1,827
1997/98 (18th): 1,884
1998/99 (19th): 2,113
2002/03 (19th): 2,740
2003/04 (21st): 3,282
2005/06 (14th): 2,800
2021/22 (17th/18th/19th/20th): 2,864 [Post edited 2 May 2022 18:49]
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 18:43 - May 2 with 2248 views | D_Alien |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 17:36 - May 2 by TVOS1907 |
I've started in 1960/61, which was our first bottom half finish in Division Four. These are the average home attendances when finishing in the bottom half (with visiting fans included).
1960/61 (17th): 3,929
1963/64 (20th): 3,020
1965/66 (21st): 2,973
1966/67 (21st): 2,442
1967/68 (19th): 2,292
1974/75 (19th): 1,507
1975/76 (16th): 1,594
1976/77 (18th): 1,745
1977/78 (24th): 1,276
1978/79 (20th): 1,767
1979/80 (24th): 1,926
1980/81 (15th): 2,460
1981/82 (21st): 1,818
1982/83 (20th): 1,688
1983/84 (22nd): 1,491
1984/85 (17th): 1,434
1985/86 (18th): 1,790
1986/87 (21st): 2,151
1987/88 (21st): 1,939
1988/89 (18th): 1,968
1994/95 (15th): 2,184
1995/96 (15th): 2,253
1996/97 (14th): 1,827
1997/98 (18th): 1,884
1998/99 (19th): 2,113
2002/03 (19th): 2,740
2003/04 (21st): 3,282
2005/06 (14th): 2,800
2021/22 (17th/18th/19th/20th): 2,864 [Post edited 2 May 2022 18:49]
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Thanks very much for that, TVOS
Confirms what i suspected - our average gate is the highest whilst finishing in the bottom half of the 4th tier since 1965/66, which was my first season
I'll check with you via PM about this season's final average, since our figures differ (later in the week) | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 18:50 - May 2 with 2209 views | TVOS1907 |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 18:43 - May 2 by D_Alien |
Thanks very much for that, TVOS
Confirms what i suspected - our average gate is the highest whilst finishing in the bottom half of the 4th tier since 1965/66, which was my first season
I'll check with you via PM about this season's final average, since our figures differ (later in the week) |
Ignore that, this season should be 2,864, although that's still lower than 2003/04. | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 19:03 - May 2 with 2178 views | D_Alien |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 18:50 - May 2 by TVOS1907 |
Ignore that, this season should be 2,864, although that's still lower than 2003/04. |
Ah, that'll save you being mithered!
2003/04 must've been a blank for me... [Post edited 2 May 2022 19:07]
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 21:53 - May 2 with 1956 views | EllDale |
From memory Yeovil filled the away stand for that game.
Played in brilliant sunshine. | | | |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 22:04 - May 2 with 1942 views | TVOS1907 |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 21:53 - May 2 by EllDale |
From memory Yeovil filled the away stand for that game.
Played in brilliant sunshine. |
Not quite.
1651 Yeovil fans. | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 22:09 - May 2 with 1932 views | EllDale |
That’s why I always qualify it by saying “from memory”!
And I always seem to prove that my memory is faulty. | | | |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 22:12 - May 2 with 1926 views | D_Alien |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 22:09 - May 2 by EllDale |
That’s why I always qualify it by saying “from memory”!
And I always seem to prove that my memory is faulty. |
I've gone for "proven memory wipe" solution | |
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| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 22:27 - May 2 with 1900 views | TVOS1907 |
| Gasheads are going to sell out the away end. on 22:09 - May 2 by EllDale |
That’s why I always qualify it by saying “from memory”!
And I always seem to prove that my memory is faulty. |
I'll say! | |
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