| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist 12:54 - Jul 21 with 4980 views | PatfromPoole |
Oh dear.
If only this had surfaced a few days ago……
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:57 - Jul 24 with 1426 views | Sadoldgit |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 18:53 - Jul 23 by Chesham_Saint |
And for one last time. Blair’s crimes massively outweigh those of Johnston. |
I would have Blair over Johnson any day of the week and I am not a Blair supporter in any shape or form, but we shall just have to agree to differ. By the way, you do know that Johnson is the only sitting PM to have a criminal conviction don’t you? |  | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 10:11 - Jul 24 with 1409 views | Berber |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:57 - Jul 24 by Sadoldgit |
I would have Blair over Johnson any day of the week and I am not a Blair supporter in any shape or form, but we shall just have to agree to differ. By the way, you do know that Johnson is the only sitting PM to have a criminal conviction don’t you? |
Keep the posts coming, the number of replies and views shows that people are interested. But, I have to say, comparing a criminal conviction for an illegal birthday party against a decision to get swept into a needless war where tens of thousands or our lads were killed or injured and billions of pounds wasted smacks of a Jack Russel snapping at ones heels. |  |
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 13:33 - Jul 24 with 1375 views | Sadoldgit |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 10:11 - Jul 24 by Berber |
Keep the posts coming, the number of replies and views shows that people are interested. But, I have to say, comparing a criminal conviction for an illegal birthday party against a decision to get swept into a needless war where tens of thousands or our lads were killed or injured and billions of pounds wasted smacks of a Jack Russel snapping at ones heels. |
If we are comparing their capabilities as PM, I would argue that there are many people on this forum who could do a better job than Johnson. I don’t think that there is anybody who could do a better job than Blair. For his own party to kick him out well before the next election tells you all you need to know about his competency. The Tories don’t do these things lightly and they could clearly see that Johnson remaining in power was an electoral priority. No second or third term for him. His previous employers are lining up to say “I told you so” about how useless Johnson is. You won’t find that level of incompetency levelled at Blair. He didn’t go to war with Iraq on his own. The US led and several other countries followed. We stood by the US in Afghanistan too. Whenever I argue about the money wasted on Trident I get shouted down and told that we need these weapons because of the threat to us as a major power. We stood should to shoulder with the biggest major power to fight terrorism, for right or wrong. I don’t know Blair’s reasons for doing it and understand that he had serious misgivings the night before the launch, but to compare the two over their PM abilities in general I don’t think Johnson holds a light to Blair or anybody else. He got elected because he lied pretty much about everything. When he got into power he surrounded himself with lightweights and made a hash of pretty much everything. All this tosh about getting the big calls right it being shown up as the guff it is. Even most of his staunchest supporters can see that now. | | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 16:26 - Jul 24 with 1325 views | Bazza |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 13:33 - Jul 24 by Sadoldgit |
If we are comparing their capabilities as PM, I would argue that there are many people on this forum who could do a better job than Johnson. I don’t think that there is anybody who could do a better job than Blair. For his own party to kick him out well before the next election tells you all you need to know about his competency. The Tories don’t do these things lightly and they could clearly see that Johnson remaining in power was an electoral priority. No second or third term for him. His previous employers are lining up to say “I told you so” about how useless Johnson is. You won’t find that level of incompetency levelled at Blair. He didn’t go to war with Iraq on his own. The US led and several other countries followed. We stood by the US in Afghanistan too. Whenever I argue about the money wasted on Trident I get shouted down and told that we need these weapons because of the threat to us as a major power. We stood should to shoulder with the biggest major power to fight terrorism, for right or wrong. I don’t know Blair’s reasons for doing it and understand that he had serious misgivings the night before the launch, but to compare the two over their PM abilities in general I don’t think Johnson holds a light to Blair or anybody else. He got elected because he lied pretty much about everything. When he got into power he surrounded himself with lightweights and made a hash of pretty much everything. All this tosh about getting the big calls right it being shown up as the guff it is. Even most of his staunchest supporters can see that now. |
What a lot of nonsense that even exceeds your usual bitter view of Tories. Quote ' I would argue that there are many people on this forum who could do a better job than Johnson'.
Very few people on here, whatever their political views, would manage a Prime Minister's continual daily round of speeches, meetings and travel all constantly under public scrutiny. Boris, despite his numerous failings of character, has a proven high level of intelligence and a quick brain.
Compare' he surrounded himself with lightweights', with the latest shadow cabinet offering - not exactly gushing with wisdom.
Btw try reading other information sources than the Guardian, it's making you grumpy. |  | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 17:02 - Jul 24 with 1299 views | Southamptonfan |
I'm no f@cking fan of Boris, but he won the biggest Conservative majority since Thatcher. He ended the political paralysis that was killing this country. Ukraine singled him out as a hero. The vaccine rollout was a success. Boris was f@cking done in by the covid lockdowns. He was f@cking stupid to party, yeah but had there not been the covid crisis and the lockdowns, he would have been seen as a hero for being a normal British bloke, who likes a drink. Yeah he is a liar, arn't they all??? They all f@cking lie. Rishi our likely next pm, lied about resigning on principle. This is the man who also got fined for partying. He just wanted Boris job.
They were all f@cking resigning because they are selfish sh@ts worried about their job. The job came to them because of Boris massive majority. And Rishi was scheming from the start, wanting the top job. Those f@cking MPs got rid of an elected PM, when I know plenty who still would have voted for him. They all paralysed this country when May tried to get through a sensible Brexit. And I mean f@cking all of them. They got rid of May.
They are all on holiday, again I mean the whole f@cking lot of em. Does the country not need running then for 3 months??? They all visit the onsite bar. Who else has a bar at work on 80 grand a year? Don't see any of the do gooder MPs trying to sort that one do we. They all agreed to their pay rise. Blair did an illegal war. Cameron was corrupt. Let's not just single out Boris. At least the others had the chance to be voted out.
Politics in this country is in a less. What does Labour stand for? They members all want Starmer out. Why not let the f@cking people decide. Democracy is dead. Wake up people. | |
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 17:03 - Jul 24 with 1298 views | Sadoldgit |
I do read other things. In fact I don’t read The Guardian that much. I haven’t bought a newspaper in years and just pick up pieces on my newsfeed. My point about Johnson was about the decision making process. I think there are many here would have made better and earlier decision than Johnson. As for all of the other crap that goes with the job, it really isn’t that difficult to turn up for photo opportunities and pump flesh, which is what he seems to spend his time doing (how many COBRA meetings did he miss?). The thinking is it isn’t just my opinion. There are a great many political commentators that will say the same thing about Johnson. In his relatively short time in the job he has left the country in a dreadful state. The previous decade of austerity didn’t help but he snd his cabinet have made things worse. What makes things worse is that he cannot see what a mess he has left behind him and actually thinks he has done a good job - just as Trump thinks he did and is still pretending that he wasn’t voted out fairly and squarely. | | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 19:19 - Jul 24 with 1253 views | Berber |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 13:33 - Jul 24 by Sadoldgit |
If we are comparing their capabilities as PM, I would argue that there are many people on this forum who could do a better job than Johnson. I don’t think that there is anybody who could do a better job than Blair. For his own party to kick him out well before the next election tells you all you need to know about his competency. The Tories don’t do these things lightly and they could clearly see that Johnson remaining in power was an electoral priority. No second or third term for him. His previous employers are lining up to say “I told you so” about how useless Johnson is. You won’t find that level of incompetency levelled at Blair. He didn’t go to war with Iraq on his own. The US led and several other countries followed. We stood by the US in Afghanistan too. Whenever I argue about the money wasted on Trident I get shouted down and told that we need these weapons because of the threat to us as a major power. We stood should to shoulder with the biggest major power to fight terrorism, for right or wrong. I don’t know Blair’s reasons for doing it and understand that he had serious misgivings the night before the launch, but to compare the two over their PM abilities in general I don’t think Johnson holds a light to Blair or anybody else. He got elected because he lied pretty much about everything. When he got into power he surrounded himself with lightweights and made a hash of pretty much everything. All this tosh about getting the big calls right it being shown up as the guff it is. Even most of his staunchest supporters can see that now. |
I don’t need convincing about Blair’s merits. Apart from letting Gordon Brown steal several thousand pounds pa from my pay packet on an increasing basis, much of what he did was good for the country. However, Blair’s big failure was HUGE. Even so, I don’t think the Labour lefties did anyone a favor by forcing him out and letting Buffoon Brown step up. | |
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 00:00 - Jul 25 with 1210 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:57 - Jul 24 by Sadoldgit |
I would have Blair over Johnson any day of the week and I am not a Blair supporter in any shape or form, but we shall just have to agree to differ. By the way, you do know that Johnson is the only sitting PM to have a criminal conviction don’t you? |
Hundreds of thousands of deaths on Blair’s docket versus Boris’s caution. Yup, I certainly see the balance there… |  |
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:44 - Jul 25 with 1150 views | Sadoldgit |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 00:00 - Jul 25 by Chesham_Saint |
Hundreds of thousands of deaths on Blair’s docket versus Boris’s caution. Yup, I certainly see the balance there… |
But it wasn’t just Blair was it. A whole host of countries joined the coalition against Hussien with the US. It was the US that instigated the Iraqi war. As much as I was against the war and didn’t like Blair, it is a bit rich to lay it all at his feet.
Back to the failure that is Boris Johnson, dubbed by many as the worst PM in living history. His style was Presidential and like Trump he was not big on detail. That is fine when you surround yourselves with experts and a strong team and you listen to them and make qualified and intelligent decisions. Instead we got someone who prevaricated, couldn’t make tough calls unless he really had no other choice and seemed clueless. You only had to watch his performances at PMQs where he would constantly just spout nonsensical sound bites or make childish jibes at Starmer. The one big call that he got right was the vaccine roll out but let’s be honest, it was a no brainer and the only person on here who wouldn’t have rubber stamped that decision (apart from Jelly 😉). If he had been PM during the onset of the Iraqi war, do we really think he wouldn’t have stood by Bush in the days of the “special relationship.” I imagine he would have been all over it like a rash, his big “Falklands” moment and an opportunity to emulate his great hero, Churchill. We are even at war with Russia but he spends more time on photo opportunities in the Ukraine and on the phone to Zelensky rather than chairing COBRA meetings. Thank God we only have a few more weeks to suffer of pictures of our useless PM sitting in Tornados or pretending to throw grenades whilst the country goes down the pan. These are the words that have been used to describe him - A man child with a toddlers haircut.
The worst PM in living memory. The only people who think he is a nice person are those who haven’t met him. The greased piglet (a phrase coined by David Cameron).I could go on but you get the picture. These comments are from seasoned political commentators, some from the Tory persuasion. We deserve better leaders and hopefully, in 2 years time, we will get one. | | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:57 - Jul 25 with 1148 views | Bazza |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:44 - Jul 25 by Sadoldgit |
But it wasn’t just Blair was it. A whole host of countries joined the coalition against Hussien with the US. It was the US that instigated the Iraqi war. As much as I was against the war and didn’t like Blair, it is a bit rich to lay it all at his feet.
Back to the failure that is Boris Johnson, dubbed by many as the worst PM in living history. His style was Presidential and like Trump he was not big on detail. That is fine when you surround yourselves with experts and a strong team and you listen to them and make qualified and intelligent decisions. Instead we got someone who prevaricated, couldn’t make tough calls unless he really had no other choice and seemed clueless. You only had to watch his performances at PMQs where he would constantly just spout nonsensical sound bites or make childish jibes at Starmer. The one big call that he got right was the vaccine roll out but let’s be honest, it was a no brainer and the only person on here who wouldn’t have rubber stamped that decision (apart from Jelly 😉). If he had been PM during the onset of the Iraqi war, do we really think he wouldn’t have stood by Bush in the days of the “special relationship.” I imagine he would have been all over it like a rash, his big “Falklands” moment and an opportunity to emulate his great hero, Churchill. We are even at war with Russia but he spends more time on photo opportunities in the Ukraine and on the phone to Zelensky rather than chairing COBRA meetings. Thank God we only have a few more weeks to suffer of pictures of our useless PM sitting in Tornados or pretending to throw grenades whilst the country goes down the pan. These are the words that have been used to describe him - A man child with a toddlers haircut.
The worst PM in living memory. The only people who think he is a nice person are those who haven’t met him. The greased piglet (a phrase coined by David Cameron).I could go on but you get the picture. These comments are from seasoned political commentators, some from the Tory persuasion. We deserve better leaders and hopefully, in 2 years time, we will get one. |
Those that agree with you, will. Those that don’t agree, won’t. Boris clearly really upsets you to the point where you continue to extend your arguments beyond justifiable reason. He’s gone, probably celebrating his new book earnings somewhere. Have a drink, get over your stress and add a few minutes to your life. Something else to worry about is surely coming next week | | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 11:33 - Jul 25 with 1121 views | Sadoldgit |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:57 - Jul 25 by Bazza |
Those that agree with you, will. Those that don’t agree, won’t. Boris clearly really upsets you to the point where you continue to extend your arguments beyond justifiable reason. He’s gone, probably celebrating his new book earnings somewhere. Have a drink, get over your stress and add a few minutes to your life. Something else to worry about is surely coming next week |
It’s ok Bazza. I am not stressed. I am delighted that we are about to see the back of him but you are right, there will be more to worry about in a few weeks time when either Truss or Sunak unleash their plans for dealing with the mess we are in.
Actually I am more worried that I have ended up supporting Tony Blair on social media. I always thought he was a slimy invidual when he was an MP, never voted for him and was glad to see him go. For Johnson to be worse, in my opinion anyway, he had to go some, which he did.
Still, more important than all this crap is who are we going to sign to provide our main goal threat this season? 😎 | | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 13:52 - Jul 25 with 1085 views | 1885_SFC |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 19:19 - Jul 24 by Berber |
I don’t need convincing about Blair’s merits. Apart from letting Gordon Brown steal several thousand pounds pa from my pay packet on an increasing basis, much of what he did was good for the country. However, Blair’s big failure was HUGE. Even so, I don’t think the Labour lefties did anyone a favor by forcing him out and letting Buffoon Brown step up. |
Not to mention the buffoon Brown's sale of the UK's gold reserves when everybody - including the Bank of England - told him not to. Fancy calling it "yesterday's asset". WAC |  |
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 15:21 - Jul 25 with 1042 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 09:44 - Jul 25 by Sadoldgit |
But it wasn’t just Blair was it. A whole host of countries joined the coalition against Hussien with the US. It was the US that instigated the Iraqi war. As much as I was against the war and didn’t like Blair, it is a bit rich to lay it all at his feet.
Back to the failure that is Boris Johnson, dubbed by many as the worst PM in living history. His style was Presidential and like Trump he was not big on detail. That is fine when you surround yourselves with experts and a strong team and you listen to them and make qualified and intelligent decisions. Instead we got someone who prevaricated, couldn’t make tough calls unless he really had no other choice and seemed clueless. You only had to watch his performances at PMQs where he would constantly just spout nonsensical sound bites or make childish jibes at Starmer. The one big call that he got right was the vaccine roll out but let’s be honest, it was a no brainer and the only person on here who wouldn’t have rubber stamped that decision (apart from Jelly 😉). If he had been PM during the onset of the Iraqi war, do we really think he wouldn’t have stood by Bush in the days of the “special relationship.” I imagine he would have been all over it like a rash, his big “Falklands” moment and an opportunity to emulate his great hero, Churchill. We are even at war with Russia but he spends more time on photo opportunities in the Ukraine and on the phone to Zelensky rather than chairing COBRA meetings. Thank God we only have a few more weeks to suffer of pictures of our useless PM sitting in Tornados or pretending to throw grenades whilst the country goes down the pan. These are the words that have been used to describe him - A man child with a toddlers haircut.
The worst PM in living memory. The only people who think he is a nice person are those who haven’t met him. The greased piglet (a phrase coined by David Cameron).I could go on but you get the picture. These comments are from seasoned political commentators, some from the Tory persuasion. We deserve better leaders and hopefully, in 2 years time, we will get one. |
Tbh, I couldn’t be bothered to read all of that. The fact is that Blair played a MAJOR part in that war and is culpable. Compared to him, Brown, Cameron, May and Boris are collectively pipsqueaks when it comes to shame. | |
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 18:43 - Jul 25 with 993 views | JaySaint |
Looks like Keith Stammer is being accused of telling fibs.
But, that is different.....right?
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 22:03 - Jul 25 with 951 views | Sadoldgit |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 18:43 - Jul 25 by JaySaint |
Looks like Keith Stammer is being accused of telling fibs.
But, that is different.....right?
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Keith? Hilarious.
Anyway, none the wiser after tonight’s debate. Truss seems to channeling her inner Thatcher and those strange hand movements make he look very robotic. She seems to be modelling her voice on Thatcher too. Sunak has balls to go against the proposed tax cuts by Truss. He kept talking over Truss which was irritating. I doubt if Keir Starmer is worried by either of them. [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 22:39]
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 23:11 - Jul 25 with 901 views | Bridders2 |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 18:43 - Jul 25 by JaySaint |
Looks like Keith Stammer is being accused of telling fibs.
But, that is different.....right?
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I love it when Soppy is faced with a post like this that he can't argue about, he quickly and conveniently changes the subject.. | | | |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 08:02 - Jul 26 with 829 views | Sadoldgit |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 23:11 - Jul 25 by Bridders2 |
I love it when Soppy is faced with a post like this that he can't argue about, he quickly and conveniently changes the subject.. |
The subject of this thread is Liz Truss not Keir Starmer. I’m sure there will be plenty of threads attacking Keir (not Keith for those who think ot is some kind of joke to get his name wrong) Starmer on here over the next few years so plenty of time. Owen Jones is a Corbynista and hates Starmer with a vengeance for not being left wing enough and not sticking up for Jeremy. I would have thought someone of the right wing persuasion would be anti Jones, but any attack on Starmer will suit your purpose. Once the leadership race is out of the way, watch how Truss, if she wins it, is suddenly transformed into a reinvention of Thatcher whilst the right wing media guns will turn on Starmer along with the left of the Labour Party even more than it is now. I don’t know if you are super rich, or just one of the turkeys who voted for Christmas, but you might just find, if Starmer becomes the PM in 2 years time, that things for ordinary people start to improve.
What exactly did you expect me to say in response to Jones’ Tweet. It was an opinion with no facts to back it up. I put an opinion on here backed up by plenty of facts about Johnson and it gets rubbished. Starmer was a QC and if he has a problem it is that he is too straight. He has made lots of enemies in the Labour Party for supposedly treating Corbyn poorly but people like you have been telling us for years what a liability Corbyn was to the Labour Party so little surprise that Starmer can see that his best way of getting elected is to distance himself from someone who let Johnson trample all over his party at the last election. [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 8:13]
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| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 11:47 - Jul 26 with 793 views | JaySaint |
| Truss - the Lib Dem anti-monarchist on 08:02 - Jul 26 by Sadoldgit |
The subject of this thread is Liz Truss not Keir Starmer. I’m sure there will be plenty of threads attacking Keir (not Keith for those who think ot is some kind of joke to get his name wrong) Starmer on here over the next few years so plenty of time. Owen Jones is a Corbynista and hates Starmer with a vengeance for not being left wing enough and not sticking up for Jeremy. I would have thought someone of the right wing persuasion would be anti Jones, but any attack on Starmer will suit your purpose. Once the leadership race is out of the way, watch how Truss, if she wins it, is suddenly transformed into a reinvention of Thatcher whilst the right wing media guns will turn on Starmer along with the left of the Labour Party even more than it is now. I don’t know if you are super rich, or just one of the turkeys who voted for Christmas, but you might just find, if Starmer becomes the PM in 2 years time, that things for ordinary people start to improve.
What exactly did you expect me to say in response to Jones’ Tweet. It was an opinion with no facts to back it up. I put an opinion on here backed up by plenty of facts about Johnson and it gets rubbished. Starmer was a QC and if he has a problem it is that he is too straight. He has made lots of enemies in the Labour Party for supposedly treating Corbyn poorly but people like you have been telling us for years what a liability Corbyn was to the Labour Party so little surprise that Starmer can see that his best way of getting elected is to distance himself from someone who let Johnson trample all over his party at the last election. [Post edited 26 Jul 2022 8:13]
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So lying to your base is fine, as long as it gets you elected?
You should have said…. | |
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