| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr 22:18 - Dec 17 with 7793 views | Boundy |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:17 - Dec 24 with 1219 views | Boundy |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 11:29 - Dec 24 by Kilkennyjack |
Its not.
The languages do enjoy equal status in public sector bodies when dealing with citizens.
But in areas not dealing with citizens … then its a choice.
Currently, private companies can decide themselves what kind of Welsh language services such as signage and translation services they can offer.
There really should be language standards for national private bodies, such as banks which operate on a national level in Wales.
Some companies such as Lidl provide equal Welsh and English signage in stores, with announcements being made in Welsh before English. However, this is not the standard in the private sector. Water, energy and bus companies are not obliged to provide services in Welsh.
But i welcome your support for true language parity. |
It is but I'll leave that with you to ponder on . | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:10 - Dec 24 with 1138 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:17 - Dec 24 by Boundy |
It is but I'll leave that with you to ponder on . |
Do welsh speakes not understand where to find the Greek Yoghurt
Welsh announcement beforecenglish
Forkingbwhoopee
That gives pleasure ?
Dear God,welsh speakers so defensive | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:49 - Dec 24 with 1092 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:10 - Dec 24 by onehunglow |
Do welsh speakes not understand where to find the Greek Yoghurt
Welsh announcement beforecenglish
Forkingbwhoopee
That gives pleasure ?
Dear God,welsh speakers so defensive |
I guess hundreds of years of government inspired hostility might not of helped a great deal …,,, |  |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:06 - Dec 31 with 848 views | SgorioFruit |
only now seeing this thread,
I must say I feel proud and settled living in a community where the Welsh language is not only thriving but is as natural as breathing,
I am only a ten minute drive down the M4 from Abertawe too.
Hope you all have a great evening, the last of 2024.
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:12 - Dec 31 with 755 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:06 - Dec 31 by SgorioFruit |
only now seeing this thread,
I must say I feel proud and settled living in a community where the Welsh language is not only thriving but is as natural as breathing,
I am only a ten minute drive down the M4 from Abertawe too.
Hope you all have a great evening, the last of 2024.
Blwyddyn Newydd dda pawb. |
Diolch brawd | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:07 - Jan 2 with 616 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:41 - Dec 19 by lifelong |
There are 10 Welsh medium primary schools and 2 large Welsh medium secondary schools in the Swansea area which are very popular.
26000 people in Swansea speak Welsh which is 12% of the population, granted it is a smaller number than the national average but it is not a small number. |
There are 102 Primary schools and 14 secondary schools in Swansea. 10% Welsh then, roughly.
There has always ben a Welsh speaking community in Swansea, there were more Welsh speakers here 50 years ago, my gran was fluent Welsh as were all her family (all dead now) and they were from Waunarlwydd, Gypsy Cross as it used to be called. At her Chapel (Mumbles tabernacle) quite a few spoke Welsh as did the vicar, back in the day. We used to sing Welsh hymns at morning assembly and my form class teacher in Dunns lane Primary was fluent Welsh, as were a few other teachers.
The number of Welsh speakers in Wales has dropped, immigration has played it's part I think but it's not entirely because of the English, there's quite a few immigrants from outside the UK here too which some people often handily forget. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 07:42 - Jan 3 with 532 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:07 - Jan 2 by SullutaCreturned |
There are 102 Primary schools and 14 secondary schools in Swansea. 10% Welsh then, roughly.
There has always ben a Welsh speaking community in Swansea, there were more Welsh speakers here 50 years ago, my gran was fluent Welsh as were all her family (all dead now) and they were from Waunarlwydd, Gypsy Cross as it used to be called. At her Chapel (Mumbles tabernacle) quite a few spoke Welsh as did the vicar, back in the day. We used to sing Welsh hymns at morning assembly and my form class teacher in Dunns lane Primary was fluent Welsh, as were a few other teachers.
The number of Welsh speakers in Wales has dropped, immigration has played it's part I think but it's not entirely because of the English, there's quite a few immigrants from outside the UK here too which some people often handily forget. |
But then when i played football in Swansea years ago none of the players spoke welsh.
When my son played about 30% were fluent due to welsh medium education.
Same area of Swansea.
So a lot more younger welsh speakers in Swansea than the immediately previous generations.
You will find many migrants into wales take the time to learn the language, its great to see.
Had Ukrainian learners on TV some months ago.
The welsh govt 1 million speaker target is going to help a lot, very ambitious but its looking very healthy.
Supply of places cannot keep up with demand for welsh medium education. [Post edited 3 Jan 7:44]
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 10:40 - Jan 3 with 476 views | union_jack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 07:42 - Jan 3 by Kilkennyjack |
But then when i played football in Swansea years ago none of the players spoke welsh.
When my son played about 30% were fluent due to welsh medium education.
Same area of Swansea.
So a lot more younger welsh speakers in Swansea than the immediately previous generations.
You will find many migrants into wales take the time to learn the language, its great to see.
Had Ukrainian learners on TV some months ago.
The welsh govt 1 million speaker target is going to help a lot, very ambitious but its looking very healthy.
Supply of places cannot keep up with demand for welsh medium education. [Post edited 3 Jan 7:44]
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Again, you are conflating the number of people who can speak it with those that do.
Statistically, given the support the language receives from WG and the facilities at new Welsh medium schools as well as it being advantageous for Welsh public sector jobs, a major employer in Wales, then they may reach that number.
However, don’t mix up those who can with those that do / will. |  |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 11:17 - Jan 3 with 467 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 10:40 - Jan 3 by union_jack |
Again, you are conflating the number of people who can speak it with those that do.
Statistically, given the support the language receives from WG and the facilities at new Welsh medium schools as well as it being advantageous for Welsh public sector jobs, a major employer in Wales, then they may reach that number.
However, don’t mix up those who can with those that do / will. |
What’s the stats on the areas of Swansea which produced footballers ,like Townhill,Mayhill. | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 11:38 - Jan 3 with 455 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 11:17 - Jan 3 by onehunglow |
What’s the stats on the areas of Swansea which produced footballers ,like Townhill,Mayhill. |
How many countries are there in the world that only one language is spoken?
I believe Papua New Guinea has the most where 400 languages are spoken, bet they have large road signs.
350 languages are spoken in the USA, you people moaning about Welsh being spoken in Wales would have a field day out there. |  | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 12:59 - Jan 3 with 414 views | Boundy |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 11:38 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
How many countries are there in the world that only one language is spoken?
I believe Papua New Guinea has the most where 400 languages are spoken, bet they have large road signs.
350 languages are spoken in the USA, you people moaning about Welsh being spoken in Wales would have a field day out there. |
Why not use your mother tongue whilst posting here , perhaps that may encourage others to follow suit? | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 12:59 - Jan 3 with 413 views | onehunglow |
Shoving a puppy into a plastic bag to drown in a canal would see less approbrium than questioning any aspect of the welsh language . | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:33 - Jan 3 with 360 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 12:59 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
Why not use your mother tongue whilst posting here , perhaps that may encourage others to follow suit? |
Why don’t you try learning it and posting it yourself? | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:40 - Jan 3 with 355 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:33 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Why don’t you try learning it and posting it yourself? |
Why should he ?
Nobody should be intimidated in any way to learn a language when their mother tongue is the lingua Franca of this island .
Everyone speaks English ,unless they don’t want to . | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:49 - Jan 3 with 348 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:40 - Jan 3 by onehunglow |
Why should he ?
Nobody should be intimidated in any way to learn a language when their mother tongue is the lingua Franca of this island .
Everyone speaks English ,unless they don’t want to . |
Who’s doing the intimidation? | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:58 - Jan 3 with 345 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 11:38 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
How many countries are there in the world that only one language is spoken?
I believe Papua New Guinea has the most where 400 languages are spoken, bet they have large road signs.
350 languages are spoken in the USA, you people moaning about Welsh being spoken in Wales would have a field day out there. |
Maybe some ARE moaning about Welsh being spoken. Personally, if people want to speak Welsh then great, I just feel that there should be bigger priorities right now than forcing Welsh on people, most of whom aren't interested, the costs of the Senedd's plan take money from places where it's badly needed.
For example, the Senedd's 2023/24 plan has a budget of 50.3 million. The Welsh language strategy action plan, Cymraeg 2050, aims to increase the percentage of the population who speak Welsh daily from 10% to 20% by 2050. Meanwhile, people queue in A&E for whole days. People wait YEARS for badly needed surgery and people are dying waiting 7 hours and longer for an ambulance.
SO fine, if people want to learn Welsh it's not a problem, but that 50 million (which will probably increase as the years pass) could be spent saving lives.
Kilkenny, maybe you won't like to read this but Welsh speakers numbers have been dropping the last 5 years,
gov.wales/welsh-language-data-annual-population-survey-april-2023-march-2024-html
Taken from that report,
For the year ending 31 March 2024, the APS estimated that 28.0% of people aged three years or over were able to speak Welsh. This figure equates to around 862,700 people.
The latest estimate is around 1.6 percentage points lower than the year ending 31 March 2023 when an estimated 29.7% of people aged three years or over were able to speak Welsh.
Children and young people aged 3 to 15 years were more likely to report that they could speak Welsh (48.4%, 241,300) than any other age group. This is consistent over time, but the percentage of children and young people aged 3 to 15 years who can speak Welsh has been decreasing in general since the beginning of 2019.
There you go, 10% of Welsh residents speak Welsh daily and while we are spending a lot of money to increase the numbers, the numbers are actually falling. And those are the Senedd's own numbers too, I assume people will accept them?
Call me anti Welsh if you like but if my son has an accident or myself or my wife gets cancer and we need life saving treatment, I really won't care about speaking Welsh.
People have strange priorities. They put culture over saving lives.
People banged on a lot about the 20mph zones saving lives, wouldn't they rather this 50 million was spent on that cause than on speaking Welsh? Maybe, maybe not. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 15:18 - Jan 3 with 314 views | Boundy |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:33 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Why don’t you try learning it and posting it yourself? |
Because I have no interest in learning it nor any other language if the truth be told.I have no issues with anyone speaking Welsh but the way it's now being thrust upon us to satisfy the few does in someway alienate me . Why don't you try starting a thread in Welsh just to test the water to see just how many on here would like to converse in Welsh ,that's a genuine question without prejudice. | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 15:24 - Jan 3 with 307 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 15:18 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
Because I have no interest in learning it nor any other language if the truth be told.I have no issues with anyone speaking Welsh but the way it's now being thrust upon us to satisfy the few does in someway alienate me . Why don't you try starting a thread in Welsh just to test the water to see just how many on here would like to converse in Welsh ,that's a genuine question without prejudice. |
How many would like to AND how many would be able to? | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:09 - Jan 3 with 293 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:58 - Jan 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Maybe some ARE moaning about Welsh being spoken. Personally, if people want to speak Welsh then great, I just feel that there should be bigger priorities right now than forcing Welsh on people, most of whom aren't interested, the costs of the Senedd's plan take money from places where it's badly needed.
For example, the Senedd's 2023/24 plan has a budget of 50.3 million. The Welsh language strategy action plan, Cymraeg 2050, aims to increase the percentage of the population who speak Welsh daily from 10% to 20% by 2050. Meanwhile, people queue in A&E for whole days. People wait YEARS for badly needed surgery and people are dying waiting 7 hours and longer for an ambulance.
SO fine, if people want to learn Welsh it's not a problem, but that 50 million (which will probably increase as the years pass) could be spent saving lives.
Kilkenny, maybe you won't like to read this but Welsh speakers numbers have been dropping the last 5 years,
gov.wales/welsh-language-data-annual-population-survey-april-2023-march-2024-html
Taken from that report,
For the year ending 31 March 2024, the APS estimated that 28.0% of people aged three years or over were able to speak Welsh. This figure equates to around 862,700 people.
The latest estimate is around 1.6 percentage points lower than the year ending 31 March 2023 when an estimated 29.7% of people aged three years or over were able to speak Welsh.
Children and young people aged 3 to 15 years were more likely to report that they could speak Welsh (48.4%, 241,300) than any other age group. This is consistent over time, but the percentage of children and young people aged 3 to 15 years who can speak Welsh has been decreasing in general since the beginning of 2019.
There you go, 10% of Welsh residents speak Welsh daily and while we are spending a lot of money to increase the numbers, the numbers are actually falling. And those are the Senedd's own numbers too, I assume people will accept them?
Call me anti Welsh if you like but if my son has an accident or myself or my wife gets cancer and we need life saving treatment, I really won't care about speaking Welsh.
People have strange priorities. They put culture over saving lives.
People banged on a lot about the 20mph zones saving lives, wouldn't they rather this 50 million was spent on that cause than on speaking Welsh? Maybe, maybe not. |
Who is forcing Welsh on you. If you don’t want to speak it or read it you simple don’t bother.
Try Googling how much obesity, smoking, alcohol and illegal drugs cost the NHS is Wales and you’ll find that £50m for the Welsh language is small change. [Post edited 3 Jan 16:37]
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:58 - Jan 3 with 269 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:49 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Who’s doing the intimidation? |
Well,let’s start with the Welsh Media . BBC
Try getting a managers job when nit being able to speak Welsh
Then,let’s look at local authorities
Etc etc | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:01 - Jan 3 with 267 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:09 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Who is forcing Welsh on you. If you don’t want to speak it or read it you simple don’t bother.
Try Googling how much obesity, smoking, alcohol and illegal drugs cost the NHS is Wales and you’ll find that £50m for the Welsh language is small change. [Post edited 3 Jan 16:37]
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To conflate NHS and welsh language is something
Of course Welsh signs are important in hospital aren’t they as folk don’t know what an Oncology dept is because they only speak welsh
You take this language issue to heart
It is a means of communication.
Nothing more | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:28 - Jan 3 with 204 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:09 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Who is forcing Welsh on you. If you don’t want to speak it or read it you simple don’t bother.
Try Googling how much obesity, smoking, alcohol and illegal drugs cost the NHS is Wales and you’ll find that £50m for the Welsh language is small change. [Post edited 3 Jan 16:37]
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All my official correspondence comes bilingually. My son is forced to learn Welsh in school, not that he's bothered, failed his Welsh miserably, he wasn't alone.
People have the choice to smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs and/or eat too much crap food. The Senedd gives us no say on Welsh, it has equal billing when, as you rightly point out, we ave bigger problems to worry about.
You can call it small change but 50 million would pay for around 3,500 hip or knee replacements and there's a lot of people waiting for those. How many of them are currently out of work when having the surgery would see them back to work?
Again it's priotities and it's not just about that 50 milliin, there are many other millions being wasted when the Senedd says we are broke.
Tell me Lifelong, do you run your household budget the same way? Do you go out and spend money you don't have on things you don't need and ignore things you do need?
Wales is in a stinking mess and people are justifying spending money on relatively unimportant things when people are dying. I hope nobody in your house needs an ambulance anytime soon. Or elective surgery..
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 21:05 - Jan 3 with 190 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 14:58 - Jan 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Maybe some ARE moaning about Welsh being spoken. Personally, if people want to speak Welsh then great, I just feel that there should be bigger priorities right now than forcing Welsh on people, most of whom aren't interested, the costs of the Senedd's plan take money from places where it's badly needed.
For example, the Senedd's 2023/24 plan has a budget of 50.3 million. The Welsh language strategy action plan, Cymraeg 2050, aims to increase the percentage of the population who speak Welsh daily from 10% to 20% by 2050. Meanwhile, people queue in A&E for whole days. People wait YEARS for badly needed surgery and people are dying waiting 7 hours and longer for an ambulance.
SO fine, if people want to learn Welsh it's not a problem, but that 50 million (which will probably increase as the years pass) could be spent saving lives.
Kilkenny, maybe you won't like to read this but Welsh speakers numbers have been dropping the last 5 years,
gov.wales/welsh-language-data-annual-population-survey-april-2023-march-2024-html
Taken from that report,
For the year ending 31 March 2024, the APS estimated that 28.0% of people aged three years or over were able to speak Welsh. This figure equates to around 862,700 people.
The latest estimate is around 1.6 percentage points lower than the year ending 31 March 2023 when an estimated 29.7% of people aged three years or over were able to speak Welsh.
Children and young people aged 3 to 15 years were more likely to report that they could speak Welsh (48.4%, 241,300) than any other age group. This is consistent over time, but the percentage of children and young people aged 3 to 15 years who can speak Welsh has been decreasing in general since the beginning of 2019.
There you go, 10% of Welsh residents speak Welsh daily and while we are spending a lot of money to increase the numbers, the numbers are actually falling. And those are the Senedd's own numbers too, I assume people will accept them?
Call me anti Welsh if you like but if my son has an accident or myself or my wife gets cancer and we need life saving treatment, I really won't care about speaking Welsh.
People have strange priorities. They put culture over saving lives.
People banged on a lot about the 20mph zones saving lives, wouldn't they rather this 50 million was spent on that cause than on speaking Welsh? Maybe, maybe not. |
You are at it again.
You are creating a false straw-man argument pitting the Welsh NHS against the Welsh language.
This is entirely false.
As welsh people we want a world class NHS - AND a positive secure future for our welsh language.
Its very normal for nations to have 2 languages.
Let me give you another comparison.
1. December 2021, a total of £43.6m was allocated for the Welsh language.
2. The Arts Council England has an annual budget of £458.5 million per year in National Portfolio , plus £116.8 million of National Lottery funding per year. Plus other funds.
So why single out the welsh language spending when its way less than even 10% of that of the Arts Council England alone …..?
It looks very much like you just want to knock the welsh language. Nothing more and nothing less. | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:00 - Jan 3 with 163 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:28 - Jan 3 by SullutaCreturned |
All my official correspondence comes bilingually. My son is forced to learn Welsh in school, not that he's bothered, failed his Welsh miserably, he wasn't alone.
People have the choice to smoke, drink alcohol, do drugs and/or eat too much crap food. The Senedd gives us no say on Welsh, it has equal billing when, as you rightly point out, we ave bigger problems to worry about.
You can call it small change but 50 million would pay for around 3,500 hip or knee replacements and there's a lot of people waiting for those. How many of them are currently out of work when having the surgery would see them back to work?
Again it's priotities and it's not just about that 50 milliin, there are many other millions being wasted when the Senedd says we are broke.
Tell me Lifelong, do you run your household budget the same way? Do you go out and spend money you don't have on things you don't need and ignore things you do need?
Wales is in a stinking mess and people are justifying spending money on relatively unimportant things when people are dying. I hope nobody in your house needs an ambulance anytime soon. Or elective surgery..
Wate not, want not. That's how it should be. |
Getting a bit personal, don’t like it that people might have a different view to your anti Welsh language views? | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:54 - Jan 3 with 144 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:00 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Getting a bit personal, don’t like it that people might have a different view to your anti Welsh language views? |
And you don’t like it when it is pointed out to you Welsh is a hindrance at best for many
Thing is ,what do you speak about in welsh,those who don’t,or is it just local gossip.
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