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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 07:58 - Dec 7 with 1524 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 07:42 - Dec 7 by D_Alien
Perhaps it's just as well i don't listen to JM interviews
I hope the Ogdens don't, they've done a great job over the last eighteen months, it's no accident we now have a top of the table squad of players, they've funded that and supported the manager. They're also installing a state of the art pitch and renovating areas of the stadium. To use the phrase 'car crash' in reference to the club is disrespectful. Yesterday was disappointing for everybody but it doesn't reflect the state of the club.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 08:34 - Dec 7 with 1405 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 07:58 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty
I hope the Ogdens don't, they've done a great job over the last eighteen months, it's no accident we now have a top of the table squad of players, they've funded that and supported the manager. They're also installing a state of the art pitch and renovating areas of the stadium. To use the phrase 'car crash' in reference to the club is disrespectful. Yesterday was disappointing for everybody but it doesn't reflect the state of the club.
Whilst I didn’t agree with all the stuff about the pitch being the same v Solihull and Utd u21s, McNulty was full of praise about the current ownership. He said about the club turning a blind eye to the pitch for years and hoping the weather isn’t bad has cost us - he’s right on that. He also stated “the new owners don’t turn a blind eye to anything”.
There’s little doubt plenty of mistakes have been made over the pitch down the years, including in the last year or so. This messageboard has seen plenty of criticism in that time too. The difference now is we have people who recognise that and are able to do something about it.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 07:58 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty
I hope the Ogdens don't, they've done a great job over the last eighteen months, it's no accident we now have a top of the table squad of players, they've funded that and supported the manager. They're also installing a state of the art pitch and renovating areas of the stadium. To use the phrase 'car crash' in reference to the club is disrespectful. Yesterday was disappointing for everybody but it doesn't reflect the state of the club.
I agree, I am getting fed up with McNulty's interviews and how much he has gone through in his tenure as the Dale manager.
I thought the pitch was holding water in the first half and it was obvious the game would not finish with the constant downpour, I do feel sorry for the Southend fans, in that they have visited Rochdale twice this season and the weather as intervened both times. I know some fans from other clubs have said we should have a points deduction or fine, I will ignore the comments from the Robshaker, (I won't mention that their game at Shifnal was also postponed). The fact is we spent thousands of pounds to get the game on and got to the 77 minute, so you cannot accuse the Dale of not making the effort to get the game on and completed.
The question is and McNulty made a slight reference to it, will the 75 minute rule apply to the game, which could mean the league making us replay the game or the remaining 13 minutes or awarding the points to either team.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:10 - Dec 7 with 1276 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 08:46 - Dec 7 by NorthernDale
I agree, I am getting fed up with McNulty's interviews and how much he has gone through in his tenure as the Dale manager.
I thought the pitch was holding water in the first half and it was obvious the game would not finish with the constant downpour, I do feel sorry for the Southend fans, in that they have visited Rochdale twice this season and the weather as intervened both times. I know some fans from other clubs have said we should have a points deduction or fine, I will ignore the comments from the Robshaker, (I won't mention that their game at Shifnal was also postponed). The fact is we spent thousands of pounds to get the game on and got to the 77 minute, so you cannot accuse the Dale of not making the effort to get the game on and completed.
The question is and McNulty made a slight reference to it, will the 75 minute rule apply to the game, which could mean the league making us replay the game or the remaining 13 minutes or awarding the points to either team.
[Post edited 7 Dec 8:53]
McNulty’s comments about being manager at Dale:
“I’m still in a bit of shock about the sequence of events that unfolded, although I shouldn’t be because as the Rochdale manager, this is the car crash of football management that I’ve been exposed to in my time here. I spoke to someone earlier in jest saying that I feel like I’ve managed 20 clubs by just managing one, because of the amount of stuff we’ve gone through in my tenure. It’s just unbelievable, unbelievable.”
We don't have to agree with everything said, but he’s entitled to that opinion having managed the club through that time. Something many have praised him for dealing with, including on here.
He’s continually full of praise about the work of the current regime, but it seems quite obvious that first year in non-league has had a big impact on many, including supporters of course.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 08:46 - Dec 7 by NorthernDale
I agree, I am getting fed up with McNulty's interviews and how much he has gone through in his tenure as the Dale manager.
I thought the pitch was holding water in the first half and it was obvious the game would not finish with the constant downpour, I do feel sorry for the Southend fans, in that they have visited Rochdale twice this season and the weather as intervened both times. I know some fans from other clubs have said we should have a points deduction or fine, I will ignore the comments from the Robshaker, (I won't mention that their game at Shifnal was also postponed). The fact is we spent thousands of pounds to get the game on and got to the 77 minute, so you cannot accuse the Dale of not making the effort to get the game on and completed.
The question is and McNulty made a slight reference to it, will the 75 minute rule apply to the game, which could mean the league making us replay the game or the remaining 13 minutes or awarding the points to either team.
[Post edited 7 Dec 8:53]
There's no such thing as the '75 minute rule'.
The league made Scunthorpe replay both of their abandoned games this season, so there's no reason why this should be any different.
To those talking about points deductions or fines, there is NO precedent whatsoever at this level or higher for clubs being punished in that way due to external factors (which is what weather is), especially when so much time and money has been spent (and is being spent) in an attempt to get games on. It's just people spouting off on social media because that's the world we live in and the league will be fully aware of our issues.
Re Southend fans, I can't recall exactly, but I'm sure the first game was called off at a time long before most of them would have even been in Rochdale. How do you know the same ones travelled again?
Not sure of the relevance of Shifnal v bury being postponed.
You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked?
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:27 - Dec 7 with 1204 views
FIFA, 'if a match is abandoned before the 75th minute, it's typically replayed in its entirety. If the abandonment occurs after the 75th minute, the competition's organising body has the discretion to either replay the match or to allow the score at the time of abandonment'.
I also read this; If abandoned after a minimum elapsed time (often 70–75 minutes, but varies): Result at abandonment may stand as final. Governing body may order result to stand, or award result to one side (rare). Some competitions use a specific cutoff (e.g., Football Association county rules, some leagues use 75′; FIFA/IFAB recommend competition organisers define procedure).
The National League is well known for making decisions that baffle football fans and the remark about Robshaker, who mentioned how many level five games were on, but he failed to mention that Bury's game at Shifnal was called off due to the weather.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:29 - Dec 7 with 1203 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 08:34 - Dec 7 by 442Dale
Whilst I didn’t agree with all the stuff about the pitch being the same v Solihull and Utd u21s, McNulty was full of praise about the current ownership. He said about the club turning a blind eye to the pitch for years and hoping the weather isn’t bad has cost us - he’s right on that. He also stated “the new owners don’t turn a blind eye to anything”.
There’s little doubt plenty of mistakes have been made over the pitch down the years, including in the last year or so. This messageboard has seen plenty of criticism in that time too. The difference now is we have people who recognise that and are able to do something about it.
He said the clubs a car crash and insinuated nothings changed with a daft grin on his face. For the last eighteen months he's been backed by the Ogdens. The previous custodians of the club ( Simon Gauge and the Directors) didn't have the resources to install a new pitch. He made it all about him in his post match interview, harping on about feelng like he's managed 30 clubs or something. How he asked for games to be moved on seven occasions last season...now they've been moved he's not sure how things will go on Accringtons great pitch. He's picking up a good wage, he's not doing it for no reward. There was nothing tricky about yesterdays events, it rained hard and the pitch couldn't handle it, nobodies fault.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:32 - Dec 7 with 1173 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:29 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty
He said the clubs a car crash and insinuated nothings changed with a daft grin on his face. For the last eighteen months he's been backed by the Ogdens. The previous custodians of the club ( Simon Gauge and the Directors) didn't have the resources to install a new pitch. He made it all about him in his post match interview, harping on about feelng like he's managed 30 clubs or something. How he asked for games to be moved on seven occasions last season...now they've been moved he's not sure how things will go on Accringtons great pitch. He's picking up a good wage, he's not doing it for no reward. There was nothing tricky about yesterdays events, it rained hard and the pitch couldn't handle it, nobodies fault.
Yep, yesterday was inevitable and nothing could be done above what we’re doing.
He didn’t say the club was a car crash.
He praised the work the current regime are doing and that they don’t turn a blind eye to anything.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:27 - Dec 7 by NorthernDale
I read this rule on the internet, which stated
FIFA, 'if a match is abandoned before the 75th minute, it's typically replayed in its entirety. If the abandonment occurs after the 75th minute, the competition's organising body has the discretion to either replay the match or to allow the score at the time of abandonment'.
I also read this; If abandoned after a minimum elapsed time (often 70–75 minutes, but varies): Result at abandonment may stand as final. Governing body may order result to stand, or award result to one side (rare). Some competitions use a specific cutoff (e.g., Football Association county rules, some leagues use 75′; FIFA/IFAB recommend competition organisers define procedure).
The National League is well known for making decisions that baffle football fans and the remark about Robshaker, who mentioned how many level five games were on, but he failed to mention that Bury's game at Shifnal was called off due to the weather.
[Post edited 7 Dec 9:34]
Raad my point about Scunthorpe.
And it's a guideline, not a rule
[Post edited 7 Dec 9:43]
You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked?
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:35 - Dec 7 with 1143 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:10 - Dec 7 by 442Dale
McNulty’s comments about being manager at Dale:
“I’m still in a bit of shock about the sequence of events that unfolded, although I shouldn’t be because as the Rochdale manager, this is the car crash of football management that I’ve been exposed to in my time here. I spoke to someone earlier in jest saying that I feel like I’ve managed 20 clubs by just managing one, because of the amount of stuff we’ve gone through in my tenure. It’s just unbelievable, unbelievable.”
We don't have to agree with everything said, but he’s entitled to that opinion having managed the club through that time. Something many have praised him for dealing with, including on here.
He’s continually full of praise about the work of the current regime, but it seems quite obvious that first year in non-league has had a big impact on many, including supporters of course.
The last eighteen months have been under the stewardship of the Ogdens, apart from the pitch what has happened in that time to make McNulty feel so hard done by? He's been provided with a great squad of players and a new coaching team. The issue with the pitch is being addressed and he knows that.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:35 - Dec 7 with 1143 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:10 - Dec 7 by TVOS1907
There's no such thing as the '75 minute rule'.
The league made Scunthorpe replay both of their abandoned games this season, so there's no reason why this should be any different.
To those talking about points deductions or fines, there is NO precedent whatsoever at this level or higher for clubs being punished in that way due to external factors (which is what weather is), especially when so much time and money has been spent (and is being spent) in an attempt to get games on. It's just people spouting off on social media because that's the world we live in and the league will be fully aware of our issues.
Re Southend fans, I can't recall exactly, but I'm sure the first game was called off at a time long before most of them would have even been in Rochdale. How do you know the same ones travelled again?
Not sure of the relevance of Shifnal v bury being postponed.
In different circumstances I am pretty sure Scunthorpe were rightly awarded 3 points in one of the two games?
It was the correct decision to abandon yesterday and a replayed game the only answer.
Whilst not like the 77th minute the ball was not rolling properly at end of the first half. The water hog effort should have taken place for 20 minutes at half time, the grounds team prodding at the pitch with a fork would have had zero effect. The game might still not have finished but it would have given the game more of a chance.
Blackburn A-A in similar circumstances at a similar time shows how much rain fell between 2-5pm.
Away in the Cup next Saturday then a reset for Alty away and a tricky few weeks until we return to Spotland for the Truro game.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:42 - Dec 7 with 1086 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:32 - Dec 7 by 442Dale
Yep, yesterday was inevitable and nothing could be done above what we’re doing.
He didn’t say the club was a car crash.
He praised the work the current regime are doing and that they don’t turn a blind eye to anything.
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'As the Rochdsle manager this is the car crash of management that i've been exposed to at the club so i shouldn't be surpised at today'. Poor Jim.
As fans and a club we've also been exposed to some shocking managerial decisions by him that have cost the club big time so maybe we're quits on everything, playing the blame game is easy Jim. Stop feeling sorry or yourself and look forward to what's ahead.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:44 - Dec 7 with 1075 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:35 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty
The last eighteen months have been under the stewardship of the Ogdens, apart from the pitch what has happened in that time to make McNulty feel so hard done by? He's been provided with a great squad of players and a new coaching team. The issue with the pitch is being addressed and he knows that.
Don’t think he does hard done by, just sharing what he feels about managing the club. Like he shared how he felt about all the work the Ogdens have done recently in addressing the pitch issue.
He was probably, like everyone, rightly annoyed by what happened with the pitch at the start of the year. The criticism on here and from supporters in general then was justified, so the manager and others may have had similar opinions.
What annoyed me most yesterday were any comments about the pitch costing us a game we were winning. It didn’t, because we were only winning because of the pitch. The game should have been called off before then, so debating whether it could have finished makes no sense.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:35 - Dec 7 by Dale_4_Life
In different circumstances I am pretty sure Scunthorpe were rightly awarded 3 points in one of the two games?
It was the correct decision to abandon yesterday and a replayed game the only answer.
Whilst not like the 77th minute the ball was not rolling properly at end of the first half. The water hog effort should have taken place for 20 minutes at half time, the grounds team prodding at the pitch with a fork would have had zero effect. The game might still not have finished but it would have given the game more of a chance.
Blackburn A-A in similar circumstances at a similar time shows how much rain fell between 2-5pm.
Away in the Cup next Saturday then a reset for Alty away and a tricky few weeks until we return to Spotland for the Truro game.
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Actually, yes, thanks, you're right about Scunthorpe, but one result stood because Wealdstone chose not to play on.
You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked?
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:49 - Dec 7 with 1037 views
I know the away game at Eastleigh was ordered to be replayed, when it was 0-0, the home game against Wealdstone (I think) stood, when it was 2-1, but Wealdstone agreed to the result standing.
But if you listen to McNulty he says "he doesn't know if the result stands or not and I hope it does", so even Jim is unsure what the National League Board will decide on what happens going forward. So until we get the decision from the league, we are all in the dark, I expect a replay personally.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:49 - Dec 7 with 1037 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:10 - Dec 7 by TVOS1907
There's no such thing as the '75 minute rule'.
The league made Scunthorpe replay both of their abandoned games this season, so there's no reason why this should be any different.
To those talking about points deductions or fines, there is NO precedent whatsoever at this level or higher for clubs being punished in that way due to external factors (which is what weather is), especially when so much time and money has been spent (and is being spent) in an attempt to get games on. It's just people spouting off on social media because that's the world we live in and the league will be fully aware of our issues.
Re Southend fans, I can't recall exactly, but I'm sure the first game was called off at a time long before most of them would have even been in Rochdale. How do you know the same ones travelled again?
Not sure of the relevance of Shifnal v bury being postponed.
Eastleigh v Scunthorpe abandoned in injury time at 1-1 was ordered to be replayed. Scunthorpe v Wealdstone abandoned in 78th minute at 2-1 was awarded as a win and 3 points to Scunthorpe. Slightly different circumstances to yesterday though so I'd expect the league to order a replay for our game.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:42 - Dec 7 by TalkingSutty
'As the Rochdsle manager this is the car crash of management that i've been exposed to at the club so i shouldn't be surpised at today'. Poor Jim.
As fans and a club we've also been exposed to some shocking managerial decisions by him that have cost the club big time so maybe we're quits on everything, playing the blame game is easy Jim. Stop feeling sorry or yourself and look forward to what's ahead.
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But he didn’t call the club a car crash. He said “this is the car crash of football management that I’ve been exposed to in my time here.”
Whether we feel his whole time at the club is deserving of that opinion is up for debate, but I can imagine everything those working at the club went through was very difficult for quite a long time. As he notes, that’s improved beyond belief since the takeover. Something fans will agree with too of course.
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:49 - Dec 7 by dingdangblue
Eastleigh v Scunthorpe abandoned in injury time at 1-1 was ordered to be replayed. Scunthorpe v Wealdstone abandoned in 78th minute at 2-1 was awarded as a win and 3 points to Scunthorpe. Slightly different circumstances to yesterday though so I'd expect the league to order a replay for our game.
Me too.
I've already acknowledged to D4L that the Wealdstone circumstances were different as they opted not to continue
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You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked?
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:08 - Dec 7 with 915 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:50 - Dec 7 by 442Dale
But he didn’t call the club a car crash. He said “this is the car crash of football management that I’ve been exposed to in my time here.”
Whether we feel his whole time at the club is deserving of that opinion is up for debate, but I can imagine everything those working at the club went through was very difficult for quite a long time. As he notes, that’s improved beyond belief since the takeover. Something fans will agree with too of course.
The abandoned game yesterday was caused by the rain and it wasn't a big surprise. The issues before the Ogdens came on board rumbled on long before he was appointed as manager. I'd argue Simon Gauge etc still did a decent job in supporting McNulty under very difficult circumstances and good players were brought into the club.That was a difficult time for Jim but for the last eighteen months i don't view him as a manager working under duress, not when compared to most managers in this league. I understand his frustration with the pitch but we all feel that. He's had a lot of support over the last eighteen months. Nothing goes smoothly when you're a manager at any club, i hooe his disdain doesn't spread to the changing room, its not what players need to hear.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:28 - Dec 7 with 830 views
Worryingly too now we have injuries to 3 of our best starting X1 in Whatmuff, Beckwith and Rodney. Beckwith's didn't sound good going off Jim. Said he had a lot of swelling already (presume its his knee the way he was helped off the pitch). If its his ACL then that's it for the season. Whatmuff hopefully should be back early new year but not sure about Rodney? Jim said it was a muscle injury he picked up last week (after resting him at Tamworth so he didn't pick up a muscle injury on their 4g pitch!) - just goes to show you cant pick and choose games protecting from injuries trying to be clever - they can happen anytime.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 21:34 - Dec 6 by robshaker
you have entered the season and past seasons knowing your pitch is not fit for purpose costing other clubs time and money that needs an investigtion.
utterly disgraceful
Behave. You have no idea what the club knew or didn't know. Experts told the club it would be okay if covered during the deep winter months and then a full rebuild would be needed in summer 2026. They didn't ignore the issues - they took advice. Something you lot should have done when you were gloating about flying to Exeter when your club was spending money it didn't have. At least we still don't spend money we don't have.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:52 - Dec 7 with 719 views
Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:35 - Dec 7 by Dale_4_Life
In different circumstances I am pretty sure Scunthorpe were rightly awarded 3 points in one of the two games?
It was the correct decision to abandon yesterday and a replayed game the only answer.
Whilst not like the 77th minute the ball was not rolling properly at end of the first half. The water hog effort should have taken place for 20 minutes at half time, the grounds team prodding at the pitch with a fork would have had zero effect. The game might still not have finished but it would have given the game more of a chance.
Blackburn A-A in similar circumstances at a similar time shows how much rain fell between 2-5pm.
Away in the Cup next Saturday then a reset for Alty away and a tricky few weeks until we return to Spotland for the Truro game.
[Post edited 7 Dec 9:38]
I too wondered why more wasn't done at half time. Four groundsmen walking around the pitch for 15 minutes randomly poking the pitch was absolutely pointless. The effort the staff put in when the game was suspended was poles apart. It was great to see the coaching staff assisting. Perhaps we may have finished the game if the half time effort was as intense. I though the referee did well and had no option but to abandon the game in the end. It was pathetic to see someone from the Southend dugout throw at least 2 buckets of water on to the pitch whilst the mopping up was taking place. Hope fully that person will have been reprimanded in some way.
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Refwatch - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:54 - Dec 7 with 701 views
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