| Make it make sense? 22:57 - Jan 18 with 903 views | DorsetIan |
I have to say I have some sympathy with Solak in relation to Tonda. I thought his record in those first games was so good that it would have been mad not to appoint him.
Just as a reminder, he was appointed after 5 games having won 4 and lost 1, but he then went to on to win the next 2 as well making it 6 wins from 7. Moreover, in those seven games we scored 21 goals and conceded 9.
In the following 7 games, we've won none and lost 4. We've conceded 12 and scored only 5.
Can someone please explain to me how this is possible?? Fair enough, it was perhaps unrealistic to expect the winning streak to continue indefinitely but to collapse so spectacularly makes no sense to me at all.
Was someone giving the players magic beans during that first set of 7 games?
Or is it just that other teams simply worked out what we were doing to succeed, stopped us doing it and Tonda is too inexperienced to have a plan B?
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| Make it make sense? on 23:50 - Jan 18 with 808 views | Southamptonfan |
Two reasons in my opinion.
Reason one - The opposition have now worked us out. Nobody knew Tonda and what his tactics were in the first few games. It was a mystery to the opposition. After a few games they have worked out Tonda's tactics and know he is a one trick pony. They know he was playing the same way in every game. He only knows how to play in one way. The opposition press high, fill the space in front of our back 5, so that we can't pass out from the back anymore. We can't go long because we don't have a striker up there to hold it up. We have been worked out.
Reason two - This is unknown, we can't prove this but for me is likely. The players wanted Tonda. They obviously liked him at the time, an easy going friend inside the club, who they knew would be easy to play under. They knew his calm, quiet personality and thought better to have him than a disciplinarian. The players also wanted to prove to the board that Will Still was the wrong man. Our captain Stephens clearly went to the board about Still as the rumours suggested. It was him. So the players wanted to prove their point. So they played out of their skin to get him the job. Now he has the job, they know that they can just relax and take their pay packet. They know Tonda is not a force to be reckoned with. They are just taking it easy. Hence the rumours that some of these players are difficult , trouble makers etc.
Overall though, experience really matters. Some.of us were tricked in Tonda's first few games. An experienced manager always knows more than a young inexperienced one. An experienced doctor is always better than a novice fresh out of medical school. It won't ever change but SR want a yes man every time. [Post edited 18 Jan 23:52]
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| Make it make sense? on 01:19 - Jan 19 with 757 views | SNPMT |
| Make it make sense? on 23:50 - Jan 18 by Southamptonfan |
Two reasons in my opinion.
Reason one - The opposition have now worked us out. Nobody knew Tonda and what his tactics were in the first few games. It was a mystery to the opposition. After a few games they have worked out Tonda's tactics and know he is a one trick pony. They know he was playing the same way in every game. He only knows how to play in one way. The opposition press high, fill the space in front of our back 5, so that we can't pass out from the back anymore. We can't go long because we don't have a striker up there to hold it up. We have been worked out.
Reason two - This is unknown, we can't prove this but for me is likely. The players wanted Tonda. They obviously liked him at the time, an easy going friend inside the club, who they knew would be easy to play under. They knew his calm, quiet personality and thought better to have him than a disciplinarian. The players also wanted to prove to the board that Will Still was the wrong man. Our captain Stephens clearly went to the board about Still as the rumours suggested. It was him. So the players wanted to prove their point. So they played out of their skin to get him the job. Now he has the job, they know that they can just relax and take their pay packet. They know Tonda is not a force to be reckoned with. They are just taking it easy. Hence the rumours that some of these players are difficult , trouble makers etc.
Overall though, experience really matters. Some.of us were tricked in Tonda's first few games. An experienced manager always knows more than a young inexperienced one. An experienced doctor is always better than a novice fresh out of medical school. It won't ever change but SR want a yes man every time. [Post edited 18 Jan 23:52]
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"Our captain Stephens clearly went to the board about Still as the rumours suggested. It was him."
Any evidence for this wild libel?
Stephens strikes me as the model employee type, not a rebel. A rebel is more likely to be the kind of guy to stick the boot in on malingering teammates, yet Stephens doesn't have that in him. | | | |
| Make it make sense? on 09:14 - Jan 19 with 544 views | HytheFerrytales |
| Make it make sense? on 23:50 - Jan 18 by Southamptonfan |
Two reasons in my opinion.
Reason one - The opposition have now worked us out. Nobody knew Tonda and what his tactics were in the first few games. It was a mystery to the opposition. After a few games they have worked out Tonda's tactics and know he is a one trick pony. They know he was playing the same way in every game. He only knows how to play in one way. The opposition press high, fill the space in front of our back 5, so that we can't pass out from the back anymore. We can't go long because we don't have a striker up there to hold it up. We have been worked out.
Reason two - This is unknown, we can't prove this but for me is likely. The players wanted Tonda. They obviously liked him at the time, an easy going friend inside the club, who they knew would be easy to play under. They knew his calm, quiet personality and thought better to have him than a disciplinarian. The players also wanted to prove to the board that Will Still was the wrong man. Our captain Stephens clearly went to the board about Still as the rumours suggested. It was him. So the players wanted to prove their point. So they played out of their skin to get him the job. Now he has the job, they know that they can just relax and take their pay packet. They know Tonda is not a force to be reckoned with. They are just taking it easy. Hence the rumours that some of these players are difficult , trouble makers etc.
Overall though, experience really matters. Some.of us were tricked in Tonda's first few games. An experienced manager always knows more than a young inexperienced one. An experienced doctor is always better than a novice fresh out of medical school. It won't ever change but SR want a yes man every time. [Post edited 18 Jan 23:52]
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The ideas that the players performed to get Eckert the job and that Stephens wandered in to tell the Board what the players want, have the slight whiff of "never let the truth get in the way of a good story". From where I sit, SR don't listen to anyone, let alone Jack the Lad.
All that matters not. The club is in a dark place right now and the immediate outlook isn't very bright.
I can't see Solak going anywhere soon..why would he ?. He's not losing money on an operating basis. OK, it's a fair assumption the club is worth less than he paid for it but who cares ?.. it's an unrealised loss until he sells. His accountants will take care of that shit.
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| Make it make sense? on 10:19 - Jan 19 with 468 views | dirk_doone |
Dorsetian, your final paragraph sums it up. There was a new manager bounce when Eckert came in and changed our tactics, which enthused our players and confounded the opposition, who were initially taken by surprise. Essentially, he used our wing-backs as attacking wingers, told the players at the back to get the ball to them asap, and so many forwards swarming forwards at pace overwhelmed teams. The confidence of our team built, enabling them to keep the momentum going.
But, after they'd seen video of the first few games, the fatal flaw in his tactics was soon picked up on by opposition managers. Our flanks were left totally exposed at the back. They exploited this space, put crosses in, or cut in, and scored more goals than we could.
Although Manning is not a good defender, he is used to being a wing-back. His errors have cost goals , but it's Fellows on the right who is the real problem. He is a winger and he has no experience defending. So, every game we play now, teams attack us down our right flank. It's so easy for them. The opposing team's left winger is made to look like the best player on the pitch, as happened again with Liam Millar in the Hull game.
Meanwhile, the confidence and the energy to maintain the high speed tactics for 90 minutes twice a week have drained from our team and the opposition know that. As everyone on here has said, we now need to stop them by fielding 2 defensively-minded full-backs, 2 centre backs and allowing Fellows to concentrate on being a winger again.
The problem still remains, however, that our squad is woefully deficient in key positions: goalkeeper, ball-winning midfielder, centre forward and full-backs. The return of Shea Charles and Bree should help. Charlie Taylor would be the perfect replacement for Manning. We can only fight our way out of this with 4 at the back, including 2 real full-backs. But, the goalkeeper and centre forward deficiencies will continue to hamper us. [Post edited 19 Jan 10:53]
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| Make it make sense? on 10:31 - Jan 19 with 427 views | DorsetIan |
| Make it make sense? on 10:19 - Jan 19 by dirk_doone |
Dorsetian, your final paragraph sums it up. There was a new manager bounce when Eckert came in and changed our tactics, which enthused our players and confounded the opposition, who were initially taken by surprise. Essentially, he used our wing-backs as attacking wingers, told the players at the back to get the ball to them asap, and so many forwards swarming forwards at pace overwhelmed teams. The confidence of our team built, enabling them to keep the momentum going.
But, after they'd seen video of the first few games, the fatal flaw in his tactics was soon picked up on by opposition managers. Our flanks were left totally exposed at the back. They exploited this space, put crosses in, or cut in, and scored more goals than we could.
Although Manning is not a good defender, he is used to being a wing-back. His errors have cost goals , but it's Fellows on the right who is the real problem. He is a winger and he has no experience defending. So, every game we play now, teams attack us down our right flank. It's so easy for them. The opposing team's left winger is made to look like the best player on the pitch, as happened again with Liam Millar in the Hull game.
Meanwhile, the confidence and the energy to maintain the high speed tactics for 90 minutes twice a week have drained from our team and the opposition know that. As everyone on here has said, we now need to stop them by fielding 2 defensively-minded full-backs, 2 centre backs and allowing Fellows to concentrate on being a winger again.
The problem still remains, however, that our squad is woefully deficient in key positions: goalkeeper, ball-winning midfielder, centre forward and full-backs. The return of Shea Charles and Bree should help. Charlie Taylor would be the perfect replacement for Manning. We can only fight our way out of this with 4 at the back, including 2 real full-backs. But, the goalkeeper and centre forward deficiencies will continue to hamper us. [Post edited 19 Jan 10:53]
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| Make it make sense? on 10:50 - Jan 19 with 369 views | dirk_doone |
| Make it make sense? on 10:31 - Jan 19 by DorsetIan |
Sounds like you're not taken by our new goalkeeper? |
Initial impressions are not great. So far, it looks like he'll let in 2 or 3 goals every game. I'm really hoping he'll prove me wrong this week. A clean sheet would certainly help do that, especially against Pompey, a team with one of the 2 worst attacks in the Championship, who average less than a goal a game. [Post edited 19 Jan 11:03]
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