| REFORM 18:55 - Jan 28 with 660 views | johnlangy |
I had a very brief read today on the history of the Reform party. One particular line stood out for me. It said ‘as of 2025, Reform UK is capitalizing on public disillusionment with the political elite’.
A couple of days ago the odious Suella Braverman defected to Reform from the Conservative party joining Robert Jenrick, Danny Kruger, Andrew Rosindell and Lee Anderson. Also other very prominent Conservatives like Nadhim Zahawi, Nadine Dorries and David Jones. There are many others.
One of the problems Reform has that Farage concedes often is the party’s lack of politically experienced people.
So let’s imagine for a second that Reform was to win the next General Election. Nigel Farage would be Prime Minister and he would have to decide who should be in his cabinet. He would look for experience and logically all the above could/would end up as ministers in that government along with many of the other defectors I couldn’t be bothered to list.
Here’s the quote again ‘as of 2025, Reform UK is capitalizing on public disillusionment with the political elite’.
So the answer to that disillusionment would be to create a government including a huge number of the Conservatives that largely created the disillusionment and that also at the same time almost fatally damaged just about every pillar of society that we depend on. To put it another way, a government of the Conservative ‘political elite’.
We’d be essentially back to square one with a Conservative government in all but name.
Can anyone really want that bunch of shysters governing the country ?
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| REFORM on 19:17 - Jan 28 with 632 views | builthjack |
The failed -14 years- Tories are moving over to Reform by the day.
People,either have very short memories or are a bit twp. I mean 14 years of an awful govt and some want to go back for more. Wow. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| REFORM on 19:22 - Jan 28 with 623 views | max936 |
Its laughable John, he's shot himself in the foot taking that liar Jenrick on, Lee Anderson could be said to be the only one of that bunch who is politically astute, maybe pushing it a bit on that front though. |  |
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| REFORM on 19:24 - Jan 28 with 616 views | max936 |
| REFORM on 19:17 - Jan 28 by builthjack |
The failed -14 years- Tories are moving over to Reform by the day.
People,either have very short memories or are a bit twp. I mean 14 years of an awful govt and some want to go back for more. Wow. |
Farage has killed any faint hope he had of becoming PM, taking that little lot on, [Post edited 28 Jan 20:58]
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| REFORM on 19:25 - Jan 28 with 616 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM on 19:17 - Jan 28 by builthjack |
The failed -14 years- Tories are moving over to Reform by the day.
People,either have very short memories or are a bit twp. I mean 14 years of an awful govt and some want to go back for more. Wow. |
Labour is terrified of reform
It’s why they are tearing bit him
Same with lovely Ed Davey on Libs
The WOW is people voting for a party that actually wants to encourage unknown, unchecked often criminal males into wales
Having lifelong hatred for Torirs doesn’t wash now as folk have seen Labour for what they are , liars and shutters
They are stomach churning stupid headed by a Barrister who failed to bring her berets of filthy pervs to justice | |
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| REFORM on 20:19 - Jan 28 with 583 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s the fundamental law of revolution. Everything ultimately stays the same. When the English and the French got fed up with the lavish tyranny of the kings and extended family they chopped their heads off hoping for something better, but within a few short years had Cromwell and Napoleon sitting in palaces ruling as kings with their sons as heirs, giving important positions to members of their extended family.
Reform will be the same, it’ll be business as usual in Westminster with the same old tired faces in their fancy Savile row suits cocking everything up and lurching from scandal to scandal whilst having their hands in the till. |  |
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| REFORM on 20:58 - Jan 28 with 555 views | builthjack |
| REFORM on 19:25 - Jan 28 by onehunglow |
Labour is terrified of reform
It’s why they are tearing bit him
Same with lovely Ed Davey on Libs
The WOW is people voting for a party that actually wants to encourage unknown, unchecked often criminal males into wales
Having lifelong hatred for Torirs doesn’t wash now as folk have seen Labour for what they are , liars and shutters
They are stomach churning stupid headed by a Barrister who failed to bring her berets of filthy pervs to justice |
I know you hate it that your beloved Tories ruined the country, and left people to wipe up after them. Perhaps you will follow your mates to reform now. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| REFORM on 21:57 - Jan 28 with 509 views | Whiterockin |
Much as people criticise Reform it speaks volumes that so many in the country would rather vote for them instead of Labour and the Conservatives. |  | | |
| REFORM on 22:43 - Jan 28 with 456 views | max936 |
| REFORM on 21:57 - Jan 28 by Whiterockin |
Much as people criticise Reform it speaks volumes that so many in the country would rather vote for them instead of Labour and the Conservatives. |
I wouldn't for either of them or reform or Plaid here in Wales. | |
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| REFORM on 22:53 - Jan 28 with 448 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM on 20:58 - Jan 28 by builthjack |
I know you hate it that your beloved Tories ruined the country, and left people to wipe up after them. Perhaps you will follow your mates to reform now. |
Don’t repeat this shite
You’re as bad as the Chorley One
Read what I post
I don’t explain myself to anybody be least of all to the likes of you who cannot exchange respectfully
People have a right to vote Tory as you Labour
If you’re really arsed and to shut you up finally ? There are no political parties worthy of my vote
Don’t bring hatred onto this side of the site | |
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| REFORM on 22:54 - Jan 28 with 446 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM on 22:43 - Jan 28 by max936 |
I wouldn't for either of them or reform or Plaid here in Wales. |
And you’d be fully justified to feel so
All are filth right now | |
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| REFORM on 23:33 - Jan 28 with 408 views | builthjack |
| REFORM on 22:53 - Jan 28 by onehunglow |
Don’t repeat this shite
You’re as bad as the Chorley One
Read what I post
I don’t explain myself to anybody be least of all to the likes of you who cannot exchange respectfully
People have a right to vote Tory as you Labour
If you’re really arsed and to shut you up finally ? There are no political parties worthy of my vote
Don’t bring hatred onto this side of the site |
Calm down | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| REFORM on 07:24 - Jan 29 with 307 views | Dr_Winston |
Reform are yet to prove that they're a serious political party instead of a Farage ego trip. Filling their ranks with failed Tories who are only after a safe seat in Parliament is not a step in the right direction when it comes to that.
They are however the most likely to be able to end this Government as it stands, although there's plenty of time before the next election.
The UK is going to be dealing with the consequences of 30+ years of Blairist politics by the time that rolls around and I don't have much confidence in any of the current leading political "talent" to be able to undo that much damage. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| REFORM on 07:42 - Jan 29 with 292 views | Whiterockin |
| REFORM on 07:24 - Jan 29 by Dr_Winston |
Reform are yet to prove that they're a serious political party instead of a Farage ego trip. Filling their ranks with failed Tories who are only after a safe seat in Parliament is not a step in the right direction when it comes to that.
They are however the most likely to be able to end this Government as it stands, although there's plenty of time before the next election.
The UK is going to be dealing with the consequences of 30+ years of Blairist politics by the time that rolls around and I don't have much confidence in any of the current leading political "talent" to be able to undo that much damage. |
Most of us know that none of the parties offer us a viable option and supporters clinging onto the shirt tails of parties that they have always supported doesn't help. There needs to be a complete overhaul of British politics and basically start again. Reform is not the answer it is just a vehicle to kick the backsides of the current parties and get some sort of change. How things will turn out and how many will vote who knows but we certainly can't go on the way we are. Change needs to come and it probably won't happen in my lifetime but who knows, who would have thought Labour in Wales would have gone from first to fourth in one term. | | | |
| REFORM on 07:46 - Jan 29 with 287 views | Dr_Winston |
Politics in Wales is even worse.
We've had nearly 30 years of left leaning Governments and Wales is failing against every measure that matters. The response of many to that is to vote for an even more lunatic version of Labour. The latest thing now is people whining that they're not in charge of Policing too.
She wouldn't thank me for it, but I'd be recommending that Mrs. Winston's kids both get the hell out of here once they've graduated. [Post edited 29 Jan 7:47]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| REFORM on 09:29 - Jan 29 with 239 views | mangohilljack |
Reform are NOT the answer and most people are seeing that now, you will see Advance UK surging next !! | | | |
| REFORM on 09:40 - Jan 29 with 203 views | KeithHaynes |
| REFORM on 09:29 - Jan 29 by mangohilljack |
Reform are NOT the answer and most people are seeing that now, you will see Advance UK surging next !! |
The split between the party’s on the perceived right will ensure none of them get into power. |  |
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| REFORM on 09:50 - Jan 29 with 194 views | Dr_Winston |
| REFORM on 09:40 - Jan 29 by KeithHaynes |
The split between the party’s on the perceived right will ensure none of them get into power. |
That was always the Left's downfall. Forever splitting into factions as a result of arguments over theory and purity of thought. The likes of JK Rowling and Graham Linehan were solid Labour until they got turned on over the Trans issue.
The Conservatives were always basically the Conservatives. Solid. United. Boring. Any lunacy on the right was confined to the margins. That started to change a bit over Europe, but is far more visible now as everything polarises. [Post edited 29 Jan 9:51]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| REFORM on 09:59 - Jan 29 with 186 views | johnlangy |
| REFORM on 21:57 - Jan 28 by Whiterockin |
Much as people criticise Reform it speaks volumes that so many in the country would rather vote for them instead of Labour and the Conservatives. |
Correct WR.
That's my point. They are looking to Reform to replace the traditional parties. But what's the point of that if they end up with the Conservatives just with a different name. | | | |
| REFORM on 10:25 - Jan 29 with 174 views | Boundy |
"Can anyone really want that bunch of shysters governing the country ?"
Who exactly are you talking about ? | |
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| REFORM on 11:18 - Jan 29 with 138 views | AnotherJohn |
At the moment I don't see Reform as the long-term endpoint, but I do think a strong Reform showing in the May elections is essential if we are to avoid slipping back into the present completely unacceptable morass. What is needed is such a sea change in voting behaviour that the present crew get the message that we have had enough, and to me a Reform vote is the only show in town, Any coalition involving either Plaid or Labour will be more of what most of us are sick of, and just another milestone on the road to managed decline. That is what some on this thread are trying to get us to vote for. | | | |
| REFORM on 11:42 - Jan 29 with 127 views | union_jack |
| REFORM on 11:18 - Jan 29 by AnotherJohn |
At the moment I don't see Reform as the long-term endpoint, but I do think a strong Reform showing in the May elections is essential if we are to avoid slipping back into the present completely unacceptable morass. What is needed is such a sea change in voting behaviour that the present crew get the message that we have had enough, and to me a Reform vote is the only show in town, Any coalition involving either Plaid or Labour will be more of what most of us are sick of, and just another milestone on the road to managed decline. That is what some on this thread are trying to get us to vote for. |
I’ve been saying exactly this all along. If Labour voters vote Plaid as a protest vote then they need to take a long hard look at themselves. It would be a far worse situation either in a majority or coalition format than it is now. Far worse!
Reform is not a long term option, totally agree. But it could be the catalyst for change this country, both Wales and the UK needs to bring about a more stable and sensible political choice. |  |
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| REFORM on 11:51 - Jan 29 with 122 views | onehunglow |
| REFORM on 11:42 - Jan 29 by union_jack |
I’ve been saying exactly this all along. If Labour voters vote Plaid as a protest vote then they need to take a long hard look at themselves. It would be a far worse situation either in a majority or coalition format than it is now. Far worse!
Reform is not a long term option, totally agree. But it could be the catalyst for change this country, both Wales and the UK needs to bring about a more stable and sensible political choice. |
We need change
It’s a case of least worst option
Our two main party politics is the reason we are where we are
One who says it’s for workers and isn’t and one who’s all for the rich , which they ain’t
Plaid will make Wales truly third world but at least the language will prosper | |
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| REFORM on 11:59 - Jan 29 with 115 views | raynor94 |
| REFORM on 10:25 - Jan 29 by Boundy |
"Can anyone really want that bunch of shysters governing the country ?"
Who exactly are you talking about ? |
Plaid Cymru 🤔 |  |
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| REFORM on 15:14 - Jan 29 with 35 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| REFORM on 11:42 - Jan 29 by union_jack |
I’ve been saying exactly this all along. If Labour voters vote Plaid as a protest vote then they need to take a long hard look at themselves. It would be a far worse situation either in a majority or coalition format than it is now. Far worse!
Reform is not a long term option, totally agree. But it could be the catalyst for change this country, both Wales and the UK needs to bring about a more stable and sensible political choice. |
I think the one positive benefit or legacy of the success of reform and the collapse of Labour and the Tories will be that the idea of a safe seat is now gone. I never thought I’d see the day where Labour might potentially see the fall of seats in places like Neath or the Tories losing places in Surrey etc. The only thing that will force MPs to sit up and listen to the concerns of the constituents is when their seat is threatened.
The downside of course apart from reform being potentially bloody useless is that extremists on the other side are gaining a lot more traction. There’s a very radical muslim guy standing for election in Birmingham somewhere who is literally a convicted terrorist who has encouraged violence all his life, conspired to blow up a British embassy in the Middle East and is of a clear anti Britain/anti west persuasion. We’ve seen strong Labour seats fall to these independent pro Gaza nutters in the last election. | |
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| REFORM on 16:07 - Jan 29 with 12 views | KeithHaynes |
| REFORM on 15:14 - Jan 29 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I think the one positive benefit or legacy of the success of reform and the collapse of Labour and the Tories will be that the idea of a safe seat is now gone. I never thought I’d see the day where Labour might potentially see the fall of seats in places like Neath or the Tories losing places in Surrey etc. The only thing that will force MPs to sit up and listen to the concerns of the constituents is when their seat is threatened.
The downside of course apart from reform being potentially bloody useless is that extremists on the other side are gaining a lot more traction. There’s a very radical muslim guy standing for election in Birmingham somewhere who is literally a convicted terrorist who has encouraged violence all his life, conspired to blow up a British embassy in the Middle East and is of a clear anti Britain/anti west persuasion. We’ve seen strong Labour seats fall to these independent pro Gaza nutters in the last election. |
But the guy in Birmingham is ok, he’s just a bit mischievous. | |
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