| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth 10:33 - Jul 25 with 2172 views | saints__fan__73 |
You said this in another thread Nick. I'm genuinely interested in what you mean by this.
The owners have spent money to buy the club but, as with Gao before, have not put an addition penny of their own funds into the club.
The club exists now exactly as it did before, i.e. it can only spend what it generates in revenue itself.
3 years ago, under Gao, we spent more than £55m in the Summer window inc. the purchase of a £20m (what's that in today's money?) proven PL striker from a CL club.
That certainly seems a different world away from where we are now, trying to lure teenagers from other club's academies or from the ashes of those going bankrupt. |  |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 11:11 - Jul 25 with 2104 views | SaintNick |
This is really a question you should ask when the transfer window closes.
So far the owners have spent £40 million on transfer fees but have raked in zero in outgoing transfers, so as it stands at the moment the new owners have put in £40 million of your own money.
Im glad the club is following the same pattern, when owners make signings the money is rarely a gift but is a loan to the club, sometimes these loans get wiped off, sometimes they don't, would you rather be like Everton have been and now find the club under sanctions.
All clubs have to work within financial parameters these days and generate their own incomes with only regulated losses, how much did the Glazers spend to buy Manchester united and how much have they put in since ?
You seem to try to contradict yourself regarding Gao, on one hand you say like Gao our owners have not put a penny in, then you say he spent £55 million in 2019 which if we take the £15 million off for the sale of Matt Targett = £40 million by the owner.
You then say we were buying a proven Premier League striker in Danny Ings, not quite accurate, at the time he had played the previous season on loan with us and scored 7 goals in the League, the fan base was divided, when he joined us he had scored a grand total of 14 Premier League goals, 11 for Burnley 4 seasons earlier and 3 in 3 injury hit seasons for Liverpool.
If you kept up with modern football you would know that the likes of City and Chelsea hoover up the best prospects and use their academies to produce Premier League quality players most of whom will not get in their first teams and they will sell at a profit to fund their big signings.
A little bit like our strategy just at a higher level, it is good to note that we bacame aware of this and started to use it to good effect before many clubs in our position had caught on.
Anyway I have owned you on this one purely due to you jumping in before the transfer window has closed and your failure to do just the basic research, proven PL striker with 14 goals i'm still chuckling at that as I type.
Come back when the transfer window closes and then we can discuss it properly, you never know things might have changed then and you can take me to task. |  |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 11:50 - Jul 25 with 2061 views | saints__fan__73 |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 11:11 - Jul 25 by SaintNick |
This is really a question you should ask when the transfer window closes.
So far the owners have spent £40 million on transfer fees but have raked in zero in outgoing transfers, so as it stands at the moment the new owners have put in £40 million of your own money.
Im glad the club is following the same pattern, when owners make signings the money is rarely a gift but is a loan to the club, sometimes these loans get wiped off, sometimes they don't, would you rather be like Everton have been and now find the club under sanctions.
All clubs have to work within financial parameters these days and generate their own incomes with only regulated losses, how much did the Glazers spend to buy Manchester united and how much have they put in since ?
You seem to try to contradict yourself regarding Gao, on one hand you say like Gao our owners have not put a penny in, then you say he spent £55 million in 2019 which if we take the £15 million off for the sale of Matt Targett = £40 million by the owner.
You then say we were buying a proven Premier League striker in Danny Ings, not quite accurate, at the time he had played the previous season on loan with us and scored 7 goals in the League, the fan base was divided, when he joined us he had scored a grand total of 14 Premier League goals, 11 for Burnley 4 seasons earlier and 3 in 3 injury hit seasons for Liverpool.
If you kept up with modern football you would know that the likes of City and Chelsea hoover up the best prospects and use their academies to produce Premier League quality players most of whom will not get in their first teams and they will sell at a profit to fund their big signings.
A little bit like our strategy just at a higher level, it is good to note that we bacame aware of this and started to use it to good effect before many clubs in our position had caught on.
Anyway I have owned you on this one purely due to you jumping in before the transfer window has closed and your failure to do just the basic research, proven PL striker with 14 goals i'm still chuckling at that as I type.
Come back when the transfer window closes and then we can discuss it properly, you never know things might have changed then and you can take me to task. |
Ings had a season where he scored 11 PL goals so that counts as proven to me lol. Especially when compared to the kids we are signing now.
Are you seriously a financial advisor? You seem to have not even the basic understanding of football finance lol.
If we spent £55m in a window under Gao but sold Targett for £15m are you actually thinking that £40m has come from the pocket of Gao?! Or course it didn't, it came from club's own revenue streams!
Also, under past ownership I seem to remember you were very concerned with the club maximising commercial revenues as you felt this was the only way a club of our size could grow. You once conducted a forensic examination of the advertising hoardings around the pitch to illustrate how we could be 'doing so much better' to coin a phrase.
Can I ask your thoughts on the fact that we are currently the only PL club who has not managed to secure a sleeve sponsor of any form for the upcoming season. The last sponsor paid in excess of £3m I think so this is money we seem to have now lost... [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 12:05]
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 12:22 - Jul 25 with 2013 views | SaintNick |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 11:50 - Jul 25 by saints__fan__73 |
Ings had a season where he scored 11 PL goals so that counts as proven to me lol. Especially when compared to the kids we are signing now.
Are you seriously a financial advisor? You seem to have not even the basic understanding of football finance lol.
If we spent £55m in a window under Gao but sold Targett for £15m are you actually thinking that £40m has come from the pocket of Gao?! Or course it didn't, it came from club's own revenue streams!
Also, under past ownership I seem to remember you were very concerned with the club maximising commercial revenues as you felt this was the only way a club of our size could grow. You once conducted a forensic examination of the advertising hoardings around the pitch to illustrate how we could be 'doing so much better' to coin a phrase.
Can I ask your thoughts on the fact that we are currently the only PL club who has not managed to secure a sleeve sponsor of any form for the upcoming season. The last sponsor paid in excess of £3m I think so this is money we seem to have now lost... [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 12:05]
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Ger serious and stop trying to make little points, when the owners arrived it was stated that the real change in how we do business was our ability to do things quicker, thats why i said you should wait until the transfer window ended before making a judgement.
As it stands our budget has never allowed us to spend £40 million or so without balancing the books for at least a proportion of it by selling someone. In essence the club has usually wiped its face in transfer fees, ie it balances what it pays out by what it brings in, the wiggle room is usually between £10-20 million to be found from the clubs revenue streams
So as it stands at the moment the owners are guaranteeing the transfer fees paid out, we paid out the money before we have sold anyone, the owners are clearly happy to do that.
I am always concerned with the clubs revenue streams, sleeve sponsorship revenue varys, perhaps we have someone lined up | |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 13:21 - Jul 25 with 1932 views | saints__fan__73 |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 12:22 - Jul 25 by SaintNick |
Ger serious and stop trying to make little points, when the owners arrived it was stated that the real change in how we do business was our ability to do things quicker, thats why i said you should wait until the transfer window ended before making a judgement.
As it stands our budget has never allowed us to spend £40 million or so without balancing the books for at least a proportion of it by selling someone. In essence the club has usually wiped its face in transfer fees, ie it balances what it pays out by what it brings in, the wiggle room is usually between £10-20 million to be found from the clubs revenue streams
So as it stands at the moment the owners are guaranteeing the transfer fees paid out, we paid out the money before we have sold anyone, the owners are clearly happy to do that.
I am always concerned with the clubs revenue streams, sleeve sponsorship revenue varys, perhaps we have someone lined up |
Simple question Nick ,do you believe:
a) the club is operating in exactly the same way as it did under Gao i.e all spend will have to come from revenue the club generates itself.
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b) The new owners are putting in money from their own pockets so the club now has this extra money to spend. | |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 15:49 - Jul 25 with 1823 views | dwayne_dibley |
will there be new deckchairs to rearrange or are they going for loan ones? |  |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 16:01 - Jul 25 with 1809 views | saints__fan__73 |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 15:49 - Jul 25 by dwayne_dibley |
will there be new deckchairs to rearrange or are they going for loan ones? |
At least our kit for relegation doesn't resemble them. | |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 16:34 - Jul 25 with 1759 views | saints__fan__73 |
p.s Nick. If all clubs have to work so the same financial parameters can you please explain why our net spend over the past 5 seasons is -3m and yet Brighton's is almost +200m? | |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 08:15 - Jul 26 with 1562 views | Bison |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 16:34 - Jul 25 by saints__fan__73 |
p.s Nick. If all clubs have to work so the same financial parameters can you please explain why our net spend over the past 5 seasons is -3m and yet Brighton's is almost +200m? |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 09:17 - Jul 26 with 1520 views | dwayne_dibley |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 08:15 - Jul 26 by Bison |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 10:17 - Jul 26 with 1469 views | SaintNick |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 16:34 - Jul 25 by saints__fan__73 |
p.s Nick. If all clubs have to work so the same financial parameters can you please explain why our net spend over the past 5 seasons is -3m and yet Brighton's is almost +200m? |
Firstly as always you distort the figures
Brighton's net spend over the past 5 seasons is around £110 million not £200 million bear in mind the seasons go to June 30th in terms of financial years.
In the same financial period we spent £234 million (More than there £223 m) and received £183 million so we had a net spend of £51 million.
Most of Brighton's spending is attributed to their promotion to the Premier League and is a common factor in promoted clubs where they have new found riches of the premier League and have to spend some of that in buying new players but with little sell on value of the squad that got them promoted, first two seasons in the Premier they spent £53 million and then £64 million with virtually no outgoing transfers.
This has started to change, last season they spent £55 million but they received in over £90 million, the previous year to that spent £10 million and received £5 million.
Over the past three seasons they have £106 million but received in £104 million so there is a pattern emerging of now the initial Premier League money has been spent they need to only spend what they bring in from transfers, in this period the two clubs are virtually identical in what has been spent and received in transfer money
I would expect Nottingham Forest to do likewise this summer with their new windfall of £140 million or so to buy players
In regard to your other question.
It is well documented that Sport Republic bought Saints as it was the club nearest the model they wished to pursue, what was also clarified was that now we are able do things before we sell, hence this window (Not financial year it should be noted) we have spent £50 million but not yet actually sold a player for money, of course these payments are spread over a period, but the new owners are able to put in money to make sure we get the players we want without having to bring another chain into the equation by selling a player first.
So the answer to A is nothing changes in terms of we need to generate transfer income in order to buy, but we have a better strategy in place.
B. The new owners will invest in the club their own money but like all owners unless you are Manchester City or Newcastle they will want a return on it | |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 10:36 - Jul 26 with 1448 views | saints__fan__73 |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 10:17 - Jul 26 by SaintNick |
Firstly as always you distort the figures
Brighton's net spend over the past 5 seasons is around £110 million not £200 million bear in mind the seasons go to June 30th in terms of financial years.
In the same financial period we spent £234 million (More than there £223 m) and received £183 million so we had a net spend of £51 million.
Most of Brighton's spending is attributed to their promotion to the Premier League and is a common factor in promoted clubs where they have new found riches of the premier League and have to spend some of that in buying new players but with little sell on value of the squad that got them promoted, first two seasons in the Premier they spent £53 million and then £64 million with virtually no outgoing transfers.
This has started to change, last season they spent £55 million but they received in over £90 million, the previous year to that spent £10 million and received £5 million.
Over the past three seasons they have £106 million but received in £104 million so there is a pattern emerging of now the initial Premier League money has been spent they need to only spend what they bring in from transfers, in this period the two clubs are virtually identical in what has been spent and received in transfer money
I would expect Nottingham Forest to do likewise this summer with their new windfall of £140 million or so to buy players
In regard to your other question.
It is well documented that Sport Republic bought Saints as it was the club nearest the model they wished to pursue, what was also clarified was that now we are able do things before we sell, hence this window (Not financial year it should be noted) we have spent £50 million but not yet actually sold a player for money, of course these payments are spread over a period, but the new owners are able to put in money to make sure we get the players we want without having to bring another chain into the equation by selling a player first.
So the answer to A is nothing changes in terms of we need to generate transfer income in order to buy, but we have a better strategy in place.
B. The new owners will invest in the club their own money but like all owners unless you are Manchester City or Newcastle they will want a return on it |
https://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-leagu
Your last point makes no sense. Why do you think the owners will invest their own money? Is there any evidence of this? In fact they have said this is not the case and the club will be running as it did before.
Define what you mean by return on their investment? The only way the owners will do this is by keeping the club in the PL for a few years and then selling as the price would have gone up (as it has done for the last 30 years bar the couple of years of Covid which is what screwed up Gao's plans). | |
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| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 11:55 - Jul 26 with 1364 views | SaintNick |
| "The New owners have invested" : N. Illingsworth on 10:36 - Jul 26 by saints__fan__73 |
https://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-leagu
Your last point makes no sense. Why do you think the owners will invest their own money? Is there any evidence of this? In fact they have said this is not the case and the club will be running as it did before.
Define what you mean by return on their investment? The only way the owners will do this is by keeping the club in the PL for a few years and then selling as the price would have gone up (as it has done for the last 30 years bar the couple of years of Covid which is what screwed up Gao's plans). |
If you want my financial advice then I'm willing to provide it at my usual rates. | |
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