| Player Ratings 10:35 - Oct 5 with 1491 views | SaintNick |
I have just had a look at the player ratings for the Stoke game and I have to say that I think some people give players low marks on the fact that they don't like the player rather than their actual performance.
Of the 16 players used on Tuesday only 6 of those got less than 6 out of 10, Shea Charles aside on 5.9, the other 5 were the usual suspects
5.8 Ryan Manning 90 mins +10
5.1 Mason Holgate 1 min +10
5.2 Joe Aribo 9 mins + 10
5.1 Sekou Mara 18 mins +10
5.9 Shea Charles 9 mins +10
5.4 Ryan Fraser 18 mins +10
So in the final knockings of the match how the hell did we hang on to that lead when half of the starting outfield line up wasn't on the pitch.
More to the point how did we do so giving only 1 real attempt on target, manage a couple of our own and do so comfortably ?
That beggars the question that perhaps some of these players were not marked for their contribution to the game, but by their perceived ability & reputation by some.
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| Player Ratings on 15:07 - Oct 5 with 1396 views | 1ASIN12 |
It’s not a new thing certain payers have always had their critics all fans have their favourites or not as the case maybe .
Half the time I bet some haven’t even watched the game but still “scored “ the team . |  | | |
| Player Ratings on 19:57 - Oct 5 with 1321 views | Butty101 |
We “held on” as we were playing stokes U21 side! Bar Bednereks clumsy challenge they didn’t really threaten.
Manning was utter crap. Constantly giving the ball away and caught out of position a few times .
If Mara offers more than Ballard I would be amazed.
What is mason holgate meant to get when hen comes on for a 10th of the match? |  |
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| Player Ratings on 21:50 - Oct 5 with 1254 views | SaintNick |
| Player Ratings on 19:57 - Oct 5 by Butty101 |
We “held on” as we were playing stokes U21 side! Bar Bednereks clumsy challenge they didn’t really threaten.
Manning was utter crap. Constantly giving the ball away and caught out of position a few times .
If Mara offers more than Ballard I would be amazed.
What is mason holgate meant to get when hen comes on for a 10th of the match? |
Mara offered more than Ballard last season, perhaps Ballard will become the better player, but he wasn't ready yet.
Well given that he didn't make any mistakes people could be charitable and given him a 7 out of 10. Same as Charles couldnt see that he did much wrong.
Stoke has a few injuries but sometimes that works for you, they were all up for it.
Fact of the matter is that at the end of the game out of our 10 outfield players, 6 of them were the lowest marked players, but they did their job whatever you think of the opposition | |
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| Player Ratings on 22:16 - Oct 5 with 1239 views | felly1 |
If our captain can force his way back into the team when he returns from injury, puts in a rusty below par performance , I've no doubt you'll be defending him from the critics eh Nick...😉 | | | |
| Player Ratings on 22:55 - Oct 5 with 1203 views | SaintNick |
| Player Ratings on 22:16 - Oct 5 by felly1 |
If our captain can force his way back into the team when he returns from injury, puts in a rusty below par performance , I've no doubt you'll be defending him from the critics eh Nick...😉 |
If he comes into the side and we win games then Ill give him the credit that is due, but I cant see him shifting either Bednarek or Harwood Bellis if they continue the form of the last two games | |
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| Player Ratings on 22:57 - Oct 5 with 1202 views | PatfromPoole |
I just don’t get this “Mara being outstanding in training” line from Martin.
His movement is virtually non-existent, he hardly moves. And he gets knocked off the ball so easily.
I just don’t see what he offers.
If he is a live wire in training, why doesn’t he run around a bit in matches? |  |
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| Player Ratings on 07:40 - Oct 6 with 1134 views | felly1 |
| Player Ratings on 22:55 - Oct 5 by SaintNick |
If he comes into the side and we win games then Ill give him the credit that is due, but I cant see him shifting either Bednarek or Harwood Bellis if they continue the form of the last two games |
They're looking like a decent pairing, long may it continue. | | | |
| Player Ratings on 08:47 - Oct 6 with 1097 views | SonicBoom |
Maybe you are right nick, our previous opinions of a player does cloud our judgement when trying to assess them in the isolation of one match. So your point is valid.
However fans are not machines. We are rarely analytical, we are emotional. The players you mention are where they are in the fans affections because we've seen them over a period of time.
Personally I loved Mara when he arrived. He looked like he was going to be great but as someone else said he flatters to deceive. Bar the odd good finish he hasn't offered much.
Aribo too. Is he really the guy you want on the pitch to defend a last minute lead?
Instead of questioning the fans, you should look at the players and manager and ask why the fans feel the way they do.
Some of the players have been made to look terrible by Martin's stubborn tactics. Hopefully now we are not obsessed with having 100% ball possession, those players might be allowed to express themselves a bit more and we will see why they were bought. For long periods this year we've looked vastly over-coached and some players have suffered because of it. |  | | |
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| Player Ratings on 09:16 - Oct 6 with 1084 views | SaintNick |
| Player Ratings on 08:47 - Oct 6 by SonicBoom |
Maybe you are right nick, our previous opinions of a player does cloud our judgement when trying to assess them in the isolation of one match. So your point is valid.
However fans are not machines. We are rarely analytical, we are emotional. The players you mention are where they are in the fans affections because we've seen them over a period of time.
Personally I loved Mara when he arrived. He looked like he was going to be great but as someone else said he flatters to deceive. Bar the odd good finish he hasn't offered much.
Aribo too. Is he really the guy you want on the pitch to defend a last minute lead?
Instead of questioning the fans, you should look at the players and manager and ask why the fans feel the way they do.
Some of the players have been made to look terrible by Martin's stubborn tactics. Hopefully now we are not obsessed with having 100% ball possession, those players might be allowed to express themselves a bit more and we will see why they were bought. For long periods this year we've looked vastly over-coached and some players have suffered because of it. |
One thing I am not saying to anyone is that their opinion on a player is wrong, I'm just saying that perhaps they need to be more open minded about a player.
I would say though that your point about players being where are are in fans affections over a period of time perhaps shows that people are not open minded,
The likes of Manning, Holgate, & Fraser have barely played so far, Manning for instance was written off by some within 3 games, Holgate after just 2 half games totalling 109 minutes.
Mara & Aribo did some good things last season at times and i agree they didn't do it enough, but that was in the Premier League and this is the Championship, last season they were in a team that was playing poorly and that is an understatement, they were no worse than most of the rest of the squad.
You say sometimes instead of questioning the fans I should look at the players and manager, well that is exactly what I have done here, on Tuesday at Stoke by the end of the game 6 of the 10 outfield players were the lowest ranking, yet they saw the game out with ease, I was asking the question how did such a "Poor" team hold out with relative ease.
These six did a job for us on Tuesday and got zero credit if you look at the player rankings on here. | |
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| Player Ratings on 10:07 - Oct 6 with 1050 views | felly1 |
| Player Ratings on 09:16 - Oct 6 by SaintNick |
One thing I am not saying to anyone is that their opinion on a player is wrong, I'm just saying that perhaps they need to be more open minded about a player.
I would say though that your point about players being where are are in fans affections over a period of time perhaps shows that people are not open minded,
The likes of Manning, Holgate, & Fraser have barely played so far, Manning for instance was written off by some within 3 games, Holgate after just 2 half games totalling 109 minutes.
Mara & Aribo did some good things last season at times and i agree they didn't do it enough, but that was in the Premier League and this is the Championship, last season they were in a team that was playing poorly and that is an understatement, they were no worse than most of the rest of the squad.
You say sometimes instead of questioning the fans I should look at the players and manager, well that is exactly what I have done here, on Tuesday at Stoke by the end of the game 6 of the 10 outfield players were the lowest ranking, yet they saw the game out with ease, I was asking the question how did such a "Poor" team hold out with relative ease.
These six did a job for us on Tuesday and got zero credit if you look at the player rankings on here. |
Defensively Manning is a bit ropey at times , so fans get angry and its now set in stone to be ready to jump all over him when he makes a mistake...similar to Stephens and many others in the past.
I always try and balance it out with the players stronger points and Manning definitely has those in his locker.
We're not Man City ..we are going to have players with limitations , it's the same at almost every other club.
You can chose to be angry , critical or at worse abusive or you can accept this and support and encourage the player. | | | |
| Player Ratings on 15:17 - Oct 6 with 997 views | Berber |
| Player Ratings on 09:16 - Oct 6 by SaintNick |
One thing I am not saying to anyone is that their opinion on a player is wrong, I'm just saying that perhaps they need to be more open minded about a player.
I would say though that your point about players being where are are in fans affections over a period of time perhaps shows that people are not open minded,
The likes of Manning, Holgate, & Fraser have barely played so far, Manning for instance was written off by some within 3 games, Holgate after just 2 half games totalling 109 minutes.
Mara & Aribo did some good things last season at times and i agree they didn't do it enough, but that was in the Premier League and this is the Championship, last season they were in a team that was playing poorly and that is an understatement, they were no worse than most of the rest of the squad.
You say sometimes instead of questioning the fans I should look at the players and manager, well that is exactly what I have done here, on Tuesday at Stoke by the end of the game 6 of the 10 outfield players were the lowest ranking, yet they saw the game out with ease, I was asking the question how did such a "Poor" team hold out with relative ease.
These six did a job for us on Tuesday and got zero credit if you look at the player rankings on here. |
If that had been they first half, just about everyone would have been howling for them to come off. Don’t try to suggest the second half was a tactical and performance success because we scraped a single goal in the first . |  |
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