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9/11 unanswered questions on 03:31 - Jul 18 by dameedna
Not one credible professional institution has questioned that if a plane that size hit that building at that speed it would cause collapse. The collapse took a while. If evacuation had been allowed to happen half those people either would have been saved or burned on ground under hot material. The reason so many died was that procedures were in place to stop evacuation so that firemen could get to the scene unimpeded. It sort of smacks of the authorities of hillsbrough a little. Guaranteed the evacuation principles and design are significantly different now. We either learn from this experience or not, crowd control is a key issue as they are a lot of nutters around.
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Are you saying that no credible institutions have questioned the theory that a plane could being a building down or have no credible institutions a plane couldn't bring a building down?
I'm unclear as to what you mean by your statement sorry
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9/11 unanswered questions on 23:45 - Jul 18 with 1361 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 00:43 - Jul 18 by Darran
SERIOUS QUESTION
Has anyone with more than one brain cell watched any of the videos in this thread because I know I haven't.
F*cking mental c*nts.
Watch the one I posted Darran. No conspiracy theory but an honest report with interviews of people in the immediate aftermath of the first plane hitting. They all said that the windows in the lobby blew in before the planes hit, people were on fire. The film crew who went in with the fire brigade said the same thing.
This came from people who were working there and the first thing they said was "bomb in the lobby". Even the fire crew.
You'll probably disagree but you were not there were you? You will believe whatever you think instead of the accounts of the people who were actually there.
9/11 unanswered questions on 23:45 - Jul 18 by Ebo
Watch the one I posted Darran. No conspiracy theory but an honest report with interviews of people in the immediate aftermath of the first plane hitting. They all said that the windows in the lobby blew in before the planes hit, people were on fire. The film crew who went in with the fire brigade said the same thing.
This came from people who were working there and the first thing they said was "bomb in the lobby". Even the fire crew.
You'll probably disagree but you were not there were you? You will believe whatever you think instead of the accounts of the people who were actually there.
Those first responders gave an honest account amid all the chaos of what they actually SAW . These people are professionals and know from experience exactly what they're talking about.
But it's not just the fire and police. It's the workers blown out of the lobby by the blast and the amazing testimony of the stairwell janitor who had seen people coming up from the blast in the basement.
They must be all mental as f*ck too..........
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9/11 unanswered questions on 07:44 - Jul 19 with 1317 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 03:31 - Jul 18 by dameedna
Not one credible professional institution has questioned that if a plane that size hit that building at that speed it would cause collapse. The collapse took a while. If evacuation had been allowed to happen half those people either would have been saved or burned on ground under hot material. The reason so many died was that procedures were in place to stop evacuation so that firemen could get to the scene unimpeded. It sort of smacks of the authorities of hillsbrough a little. Guaranteed the evacuation principles and design are significantly different now. We either learn from this experience or not, crowd control is a key issue as they are a lot of nutters around.
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"Not one credible professional institution has questioned that if a plane that size hit that building at that speed it would cause collapse"
Thousands of architects,engineers and pilots world wide have said they are not happy with the official explanation.
Thats not counting top people from the emergency services and military.
Many have signed petitions...all are qualified in their fields.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 03:31 - Jul 18 by dameedna
Not one credible professional institution has questioned that if a plane that size hit that building at that speed it would cause collapse. The collapse took a while. If evacuation had been allowed to happen half those people either would have been saved or burned on ground under hot material. The reason so many died was that procedures were in place to stop evacuation so that firemen could get to the scene unimpeded. It sort of smacks of the authorities of hillsbrough a little. Guaranteed the evacuation principles and design are significantly different now. We either learn from this experience or not, crowd control is a key issue as they are a lot of nutters around.
[Post edited 18 Jul 2016 3:36]
I'm currently working on a 10 story office building, and that has a phased fire evacuation plan with the building separated into 3 fire compartments, with two hour minimum fire rating partitions between compartments. If a fire is detected in one of the compartments, then that compartment gets evacuated first, and everyone else has to stay where they are so as to not clog up the fire escapes. Once that compartment is clear, the compartment above where the fire detected is evacuated next, followed by either the one below, or the one above the previous until everyone has left.
Similar would have happened in the twin towers as the lifts would be unusable and if everyone left the same time, the speed of the evacuation would be much slower. The fire escapes would only be sized for a fire to start on one or two floors, not across 10 floors or so in a single hit. If the building was designed for everyone to leave at the same time, then there would be no office space left on the lower floors as it would be taken up by fire escape stairs.
9/11 unanswered questions on 12:20 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony
Its not de bunked many have said they are not happy with the official explanation.
Science is a bitch, ain't it...
Richard Gage (AE911Truth) is a charlatan making a tidy sum from the terminally gullible in monthly subscriptions. Here's what a AIA (the USA's equivalent of our RIBA) says -
From Architect Magazine, this recent article on the distance the American Institute of Architects wisely puts between Richard Gage and AE911Truth:
What is more interesting than these bizarre and debunked conspiracy theories is the way that Gage places his AIA membership front and center in his presentations. He seems to be attempting to cloak his organization in the officialdom of the venerable 155-year-old professional institution, even as AIA wants nothing to do with his organization. At the start of his latest film, he explains that he is “a licensed architect of over 20 years and member of the American Institute of Architects.”
Gage often seems to wield his AIA status in promoting his conspiracy theories. In making his case, he also regularly cites that more than 100 AIA members and at least six AIA Fellows have signed his petition calling for a new investigation. In total, Gage says that more than 1,700 of the petition’s roughly 16,000 signatures are from architects and engineers.
During the screening, Gage was at the very least intimating that his organization had been invited to AIA officially.
…Aside from Gage, though, there was not a single other architect in the room, much less an official from AIA, or even another member. The 80-strong crowd was made up largely of members of the local 9/11 Truth movement and other political activists.
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The facts are out there - but believe what you want to believe. Why am I not surprised you prefer the conspiracy nutters?
9/11 unanswered questions on 12:56 - Jul 19 by WarwickHunt
Science is a bitch, ain't it...
Richard Gage (AE911Truth) is a charlatan making a tidy sum from the terminally gullible in monthly subscriptions. Here's what a AIA (the USA's equivalent of our RIBA) says -
From Architect Magazine, this recent article on the distance the American Institute of Architects wisely puts between Richard Gage and AE911Truth:
What is more interesting than these bizarre and debunked conspiracy theories is the way that Gage places his AIA membership front and center in his presentations. He seems to be attempting to cloak his organization in the officialdom of the venerable 155-year-old professional institution, even as AIA wants nothing to do with his organization. At the start of his latest film, he explains that he is “a licensed architect of over 20 years and member of the American Institute of Architects.”
Gage often seems to wield his AIA status in promoting his conspiracy theories. In making his case, he also regularly cites that more than 100 AIA members and at least six AIA Fellows have signed his petition calling for a new investigation. In total, Gage says that more than 1,700 of the petition’s roughly 16,000 signatures are from architects and engineers.
During the screening, Gage was at the very least intimating that his organization had been invited to AIA officially.
…Aside from Gage, though, there was not a single other architect in the room, much less an official from AIA, or even another member. The 80-strong crowd was made up largely of members of the local 9/11 Truth movement and other political activists.
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The facts are out there - but believe what you want to believe. Why am I not surprised you prefer the conspiracy nutters?
9/11 unanswered questions on 12:56 - Jul 19 by WarwickHunt
Science is a bitch, ain't it...
Richard Gage (AE911Truth) is a charlatan making a tidy sum from the terminally gullible in monthly subscriptions. Here's what a AIA (the USA's equivalent of our RIBA) says -
From Architect Magazine, this recent article on the distance the American Institute of Architects wisely puts between Richard Gage and AE911Truth:
What is more interesting than these bizarre and debunked conspiracy theories is the way that Gage places his AIA membership front and center in his presentations. He seems to be attempting to cloak his organization in the officialdom of the venerable 155-year-old professional institution, even as AIA wants nothing to do with his organization. At the start of his latest film, he explains that he is “a licensed architect of over 20 years and member of the American Institute of Architects.”
Gage often seems to wield his AIA status in promoting his conspiracy theories. In making his case, he also regularly cites that more than 100 AIA members and at least six AIA Fellows have signed his petition calling for a new investigation. In total, Gage says that more than 1,700 of the petition’s roughly 16,000 signatures are from architects and engineers.
During the screening, Gage was at the very least intimating that his organization had been invited to AIA officially.
…Aside from Gage, though, there was not a single other architect in the room, much less an official from AIA, or even another member. The 80-strong crowd was made up largely of members of the local 9/11 Truth movement and other political activists.
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The facts are out there - but believe what you want to believe. Why am I not surprised you prefer the conspiracy nutters?
9/11 unanswered questions on 13:51 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony
The internet is awash with debunkers.
The truth is ...none of us know the truth.
But I say again many pilots and architects are not happy with the official report and explanation.
That is not a conspiracy.
I know it's been asked a trillion times before, and I'll ask it once more........assuming it is a conspiracy , just how many people would have been needed to make this an inside job ?
"Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.
Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report. So who would you rather believe?"
Still, crack on...
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9/11 unanswered questions on 14:45 - Jul 19 with 1128 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 14:30 - Jul 19 by Flashberryjack
I know it's been asked a trillion times before, and I'll ask it once more........assuming it is a conspiracy , just how many people would have been needed to make this an inside job ?
Many people are really not interested in the conspiracy theories...thats someithing else.
Many qualified people question the physics of it all...it lies uneasy with some. There will always be differing views.
I can see both sides of the argument though.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 14:30 - Jul 19 by Flashberryjack
I know it's been asked a trillion times before, and I'll ask it once more........assuming it is a conspiracy , just how many people would have been needed to make this an inside job ?
The government, CIA , FBI, Jewish bankers, shape-shifting lizards and the Illuminati, mun.
Obviously.
Uncle Tom Cobley as well. Probably.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 14:49 - Jul 19 with 1117 views
"Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.
Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report. So who would you rather believe?"
Still, crack on...
As I said the internet is absolutely awash with debunk sites,this is taken from one of them.
Thats fine it s up to people to research and draw their own conclusions on the subject.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 14:49 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony
As I said the internet is absolutely awash with debunk sites,this is taken from one of them.
Thats fine it s up to people to research and draw their own conclusions on the subject.
Yep - much better to believe "someone on the internet" than national professional institutions, peer reviewed scientific papers and learned journals. Nothing from the "truthers" has stood up to scrutiny.
Still, make your own mind up...
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9/11 unanswered questions on 15:09 - Jul 19 with 1087 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 15:02 - Jul 19 by WarwickHunt
Yep - much better to believe "someone on the internet" than national professional institutions, peer reviewed scientific papers and learned journals. Nothing from the "truthers" has stood up to scrutiny.
Still, make your own mind up...
Fair enough bud.
But it is a fact MILLIONS of people world wide question some things even today.
For example how did this building come down at the same time when it was not even hit by anything...the official report says it was caused through office fires....many people cant understand that explanation as no steel structured building has ever collapsed through fire before....I think you are right in some ways though we should nt question these things too much..
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9/11 unanswered questions on 15:09 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony
Fair enough bud.
But it is a fact MILLIONS of people world wide question some things even today.
For example how did this building come down at the same time when it was not even hit by anything...the official report says it was caused through office fires....many people cant understand that explanation as no steel structured building has ever collapsed through fire before....I think you are right in some ways though we should nt question these things too much..
Millions of people are f*cking morons. What's your point?
You're still peddling a 30 second Youtube video despite the NIST report, Structure magazine (the magazine for err... structural engineers) etc. explaining it...
Why do they call you Bonehead? No, seriously...
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9/11 unanswered questions on 15:34 - Jul 19 with 1065 views
9/11 unanswered questions on 15:30 - Jul 19 by WarwickHunt
Millions of people are f*cking morons. What's your point?
You're still peddling a 30 second Youtube video despite the NIST report, Structure magazine (the magazine for err... structural engineers) etc. explaining it...
Why do they call you Bonehead? No, seriously...
The first ever recipient of a Planet Swans Lifetime Achievement Award.
The scale of skyscrapers is difficult to grasp. Above 20 levels and we are seriously talking about vertical communities with multiple lift banks. I am working on the design of a 37 level building at present not out of the ground. It will be a steel structure. The nutters are the conspiracy theorists. Buildings are fallible and evacuation is difficult. Fire regulations will not cope with extreme cases. A massive majority of credible authorities have not questioned the findings of the official report. David Ike is not credible. It is distasteful that people look to.make Money out of disasters.
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9/11 unanswered questions on 15:40 - Jul 19 with 1054 views
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