| Israel Folau / Margaret Court 21:23 - Jan 29 with 5248 views | union_jack |
Freedom of speech
Or
Inciting hate and intolerance?
Gareth Thomas has put his foot down and said he won’t watch Folau again. |  |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 21:24 - Jan 29 with 2505 views | exiledclaseboy |
They’re entitled to their views and to express them. Others are equally as entitled to react to them in whatever way they see fit. |  |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 05:47 - Jan 30 with 2444 views | premierjack |
I wondered how long it would take Gareth Thomas to make it about himself. |  | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 07:26 - Jan 30 with 2400 views | jack247 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 05:47 - Jan 30 by premierjack |
I wondered how long it would take Gareth Thomas to make it about himself. |
I’m not much of a Gareth Thomas fan, but I think he’s got a point here. | | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 07:54 - Jan 30 with 2378 views | Pegojack |
Let's not get sidetracked down the Gareth Thomas route.
The two people concerned are plonkers who should be called out at every opportunity. It's time to stand up to the peddlars of hate all across the world. Here in Spain too, where we have our own brand of Nazis called Vox. |  | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:19 - Jan 30 with 2361 views | Lohengrin |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 21:24 - Jan 29 by exiledclaseboy |
They’re entitled to their views and to express them. Others are equally as entitled to react to them in whatever way they see fit. |
I’ve always been fundamentally opposed to putting limits on freedom of expression, not so with reaction, that has to be finite of necessity. Viewed in a certain light what you have just written could be viewed as an assassin’s mandate.
Don’t agree with what someone says then construct a counter-argument. If you hear what you perceive to be nonsense just laugh. It’s what we do on here and it works pretty well. |  |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:21 - Jan 30 with 2359 views | Fireboy2 |
They are both a fvcking djsgrace but i am more angry with the RFL and SL for allowing catalan to sign him.
They are agreeing with his views imo. |  | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:22 - Jan 30 with 2357 views | Pegojack |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:19 - Jan 30 by Lohengrin |
I’ve always been fundamentally opposed to putting limits on freedom of expression, not so with reaction, that has to be finite of necessity. Viewed in a certain light what you have just written could be viewed as an assassin’s mandate.
Don’t agree with what someone says then construct a counter-argument. If you hear what you perceive to be nonsense just laugh. It’s what we do on here and it works pretty well. |
Well said. Noone's advocating violence, just put the opposite point of view relentlessly. | | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:24 - Jan 30 with 2356 views | Lohengrin |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:21 - Jan 30 by Fireboy2 |
They are both a fvcking djsgrace but i am more angry with the RFL and SL for allowing catalan to sign him.
They are agreeing with his views imo. |
You want to see somebody denied the opportunity to make a living and meet his obligations because you disagree with an opinion he holds?
That’s the Left view on tolerance in action, is it? | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 09:11 - Jan 30 with 2310 views | Fireboy2 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:24 - Jan 30 by Lohengrin |
You want to see somebody denied the opportunity to make a living and meet his obligations because you disagree with an opinion he holds?
That’s the Left view on tolerance in action, is it? |
Left view?
His view is that Keegan Hirst should ' burn in hell'
You think thats a good view?
I wonder if he would say it to his face?
And to answer your question, he should work for his church, they are one of very few organisations who would employ him for his attitude towards gay people, apart from catalans. | | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 09:32 - Jan 30 with 2284 views | felixstowe_jack |
It seems it is okay for rugby and football clubs to employ convicted criminals, drink drivers, and drug users but not okay to employ someone who is not PC.
You may not agree with his views but freedom of views has not stopped by the thought police.
The world is full of hypocrisy. | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 09:42 - Jan 30 with 2279 views | Darran |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 09:32 - Jan 30 by felixstowe_jack |
It seems it is okay for rugby and football clubs to employ convicted criminals, drink drivers, and drug users but not okay to employ someone who is not PC.
You may not agree with his views but freedom of views has not stopped by the thought police.
The world is full of hypocrisy. |
Fair point.
There wasn’t this much outcry when Ben Stokes made fun of someone’s disabled eyes last week. |  |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:04 - Jan 30 with 2255 views | Lohengrin |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 09:11 - Jan 30 by Fireboy2 |
Left view?
His view is that Keegan Hirst should ' burn in hell'
You think thats a good view?
I wonder if he would say it to his face?
And to answer your question, he should work for his church, they are one of very few organisations who would employ him for his attitude towards gay people, apart from catalans. |
I doubt he even knows who Hirst is, I just had to look him up.
This whole business has been hijacked and politicised with obvious calculation. What is this ‘crime’ Folau has committed anyway? He posted something on social media along the lines of adulterers, liars, usurers and homosexuals having to repent if they want entry to The Kingdom or they are bound for Hell. That’s all pretty standard Biblical fayre. I can remember people walking around town with their ‘wages of sin’ sandwich boards when I was a kid. It’s not some sort of lightning bolt all his own he’s thrown it’s not even remotely exceptional. I’d have to assume that the others listed were too busy to take offence but the gay lobby must have thought it was heyday for headlines!
How many Christians is it you’d like to see sacked for professing their faith anyway? All two billion or so, or just those who make a living through sport? | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:10 - Jan 30 with 2240 views | KGriz16 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 08:21 - Jan 30 by Fireboy2 |
They are both a fvcking djsgrace but i am more angry with the RFL and SL for allowing catalan to sign him.
They are agreeing with his views imo. |
Well, no they are not agreeing with his views. They're allowing a professional to ply his trade. |  | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:16 - Jan 30 with 2233 views | Darran |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:04 - Jan 30 by Lohengrin |
I doubt he even knows who Hirst is, I just had to look him up.
This whole business has been hijacked and politicised with obvious calculation. What is this ‘crime’ Folau has committed anyway? He posted something on social media along the lines of adulterers, liars, usurers and homosexuals having to repent if they want entry to The Kingdom or they are bound for Hell. That’s all pretty standard Biblical fayre. I can remember people walking around town with their ‘wages of sin’ sandwich boards when I was a kid. It’s not some sort of lightning bolt all his own he’s thrown it’s not even remotely exceptional. I’d have to assume that the others listed were too busy to take offence but the gay lobby must have thought it was heyday for headlines!
How many Christians is it you’d like to see sacked for professing their faith anyway? All two billion or so, or just those who make a living through sport? |
Don’t talk about same sex marriage to school kids in Birmingham though. lol | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:32 - Jan 30 with 2223 views | Darran |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:10 - Jan 30 by KGriz16 |
Well, no they are not agreeing with his views. They're allowing a professional to ply his trade. |
And then Alastair Stewart loses his job for quoting Shakespeare. | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:44 - Jan 30 with 2211 views | Fireboy2 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:10 - Jan 30 by KGriz16 |
Well, no they are not agreeing with his views. They're allowing a professional to ply his trade. |
By doing that they are. | | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 11:34 - Jan 30 with 2169 views | JackSomething |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:04 - Jan 30 by Lohengrin |
I doubt he even knows who Hirst is, I just had to look him up.
This whole business has been hijacked and politicised with obvious calculation. What is this ‘crime’ Folau has committed anyway? He posted something on social media along the lines of adulterers, liars, usurers and homosexuals having to repent if they want entry to The Kingdom or they are bound for Hell. That’s all pretty standard Biblical fayre. I can remember people walking around town with their ‘wages of sin’ sandwich boards when I was a kid. It’s not some sort of lightning bolt all his own he’s thrown it’s not even remotely exceptional. I’d have to assume that the others listed were too busy to take offence but the gay lobby must have thought it was heyday for headlines!
How many Christians is it you’d like to see sacked for professing their faith anyway? All two billion or so, or just those who make a living through sport? |
As ECB said, he has a right to say whatever he wants. But equally people have the right to react how they want to what he says. He's also said it more than once.
What he's saying is intolerant to a section of society. His profession is one where he has a strong public presence and his words reach a far larger amount of people than Dai Jones in the tax office. His (very high) wages are paid because people pay to watch him and his team play rugby. If a large amount of people are going to be angered/dismayed by his intolerant views and that is going to affect his employer financially, then of course he runs the risk of losing his job.
Rugby clubs will talk about how welcoming they are to all sections of society, all in pursuit of more money of course. Bit hard for his new club to claim that while employing someone who believes that a percentage of their fans are sinners going to hell.
I know you wish the world was as it was when you were a child, but thankfully it's moved on and what was acceptable then is not acceptable now. [Post edited 30 Jan 2020 11:36]
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 11:37 - Jan 30 with 2161 views | union_jack |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 21:24 - Jan 29 by exiledclaseboy |
They’re entitled to their views and to express them. Others are equally as entitled to react to them in whatever way they see fit. |
I know this isn’t the case BUT if this was racist rather than homophobic would your views be the same? | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:10 - Jan 30 with 2129 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 10:04 - Jan 30 by Lohengrin |
I doubt he even knows who Hirst is, I just had to look him up.
This whole business has been hijacked and politicised with obvious calculation. What is this ‘crime’ Folau has committed anyway? He posted something on social media along the lines of adulterers, liars, usurers and homosexuals having to repent if they want entry to The Kingdom or they are bound for Hell. That’s all pretty standard Biblical fayre. I can remember people walking around town with their ‘wages of sin’ sandwich boards when I was a kid. It’s not some sort of lightning bolt all his own he’s thrown it’s not even remotely exceptional. I’d have to assume that the others listed were too busy to take offence but the gay lobby must have thought it was heyday for headlines!
How many Christians is it you’d like to see sacked for professing their faith anyway? All two billion or so, or just those who make a living through sport? |
He stated that the Australian bush fires were a direct result of the legalisation of same sex marriage in Australia.
You’ll have to point out which part of the Christian faith that is.
Margaret Court said that apartheid South Africa was the best way of dealing with race there is. Again, which part of the Christian faith is that an expression of?
People using ‘Christianity’ as an excuse for their bigotry and hatred are as far removed from faith as it’s possible to be.
He has a right to think what he wants. He has a limited right to say what he wants as no one can veer into hate speech which could encourage violence or discrimination against others.
In this case, he has, of course, parked his unwavering ‘faith’ and ‘principles’ which he previously declared to be the only things he cared about, and signed a contract which agrees that he will shut the f*** up about his views, or will be sacked. So it seems that his ‘faith’ has a price. Funny that.
The reaction of Wigan is to be applauded. | | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:24 - Jan 30 with 2112 views | Darran |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:10 - Jan 30 by londonlisa2001 |
He stated that the Australian bush fires were a direct result of the legalisation of same sex marriage in Australia.
You’ll have to point out which part of the Christian faith that is.
Margaret Court said that apartheid South Africa was the best way of dealing with race there is. Again, which part of the Christian faith is that an expression of?
People using ‘Christianity’ as an excuse for their bigotry and hatred are as far removed from faith as it’s possible to be.
He has a right to think what he wants. He has a limited right to say what he wants as no one can veer into hate speech which could encourage violence or discrimination against others.
In this case, he has, of course, parked his unwavering ‘faith’ and ‘principles’ which he previously declared to be the only things he cared about, and signed a contract which agrees that he will shut the f*** up about his views, or will be sacked. So it seems that his ‘faith’ has a price. Funny that.
The reaction of Wigan is to be applauded. |
Exactly and that’s why every Muslim in Birmingham against same sex marriage should be kicked out of their jobs immediately. | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:31 - Jan 30 with 2108 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:24 - Jan 30 by Darran |
Exactly and that’s why every Muslim in Birmingham against same sex marriage should be kicked out of their jobs immediately. |
People against same sex marriage shouldn’t be kicked out of their jobs.
People who publicly rant about gay people should be. And are.
The Birmingham issue isn’t about same sex marriage it’s about teaching children to be tolerant. The morons protesting should be ignored. Same as the morons on here that similarly believed teaching kids to be tolerant is wrong.
People can believe what they want - they can’t incite hatred or discrimination against other groups of people. | | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:34 - Jan 30 with 2103 views | Darran |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:31 - Jan 30 by londonlisa2001 |
People against same sex marriage shouldn’t be kicked out of their jobs.
People who publicly rant about gay people should be. And are.
The Birmingham issue isn’t about same sex marriage it’s about teaching children to be tolerant. The morons protesting should be ignored. Same as the morons on here that similarly believed teaching kids to be tolerant is wrong.
People can believe what they want - they can’t incite hatred or discrimination against other groups of people. |
Yes of course Muslims are throwing gay people off buildings in other countries but there’s far more people offended by Folau and Court.
Christianity see. | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:41 - Jan 30 with 2097 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:34 - Jan 30 by Darran |
Yes of course Muslims are throwing gay people off buildings in other countries but there’s far more people offended by Folau and Court.
Christianity see. |
Absolute nonsense.
But you crack on. | | | |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:46 - Jan 30 with 2075 views | Darran |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:41 - Jan 30 by londonlisa2001 |
Absolute nonsense.
But you crack on. |
Yep in your head it might be. | |
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| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:47 - Jan 30 with 2072 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Israel Folau / Margaret Court on 12:46 - Jan 30 by Darran |
Yep in your head it might be. |
You don’t think people are bothered about the behaviour of fundamentalist Islamic states?
Rightio. | | | |
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