| George Galloway 10:23 - Jul 2 with 4902 views | Sadoldgit |
Where do I start? What an idiot. He split the Labour vote and nearly let the Tories in. It is the division in the Labour Party that is helping keep the worst government in living history in power and Galloway needs to have a look at himself. He may reason that getting rid of Starmer is best for the party. No it isn’t. Getting elected and getting Johnson out is best for the party. Get that done first and worry about the Leader afterwards if it is that much of an issue for you. Andy Burnham was spot on in last night on Question Time. Support your leader, do what needs to be done to get elected first. Starmer is a forward thinking leader who understands that Labour need to be seen as a party of the 21st century, not stuck in the dark days of industrial strife of the last century. People like Galloway talk to those who are also rooted in the past. We don’t shove children up chimneys any more. The world has moved on. There are still contemporary issue to be dealt with which only a modern socialist party will tackle. Good to see Starmer tackle issues such as zero hour contracts etc but the Party need to get behind him and end this damaging in fighting.
Burnham talked a lot of sense last night. Local issues are becoming more important than ever before and that is where the battles need to be fought. Rejuvenation of High Streets, local jobs and infrastructure, health care, protection of arable land and the environment - these are all areas where opposition parties can come together and make a difference. This is where the likes of Galloway needs to be putting their energy, not tearing the party apart. |  | | |  |
| George Galloway on 23:20 - Jul 5 with 689 views | DorsetIan |
| George Galloway on 22:30 - Jul 5 by Bazza |
Yes it’s called a democracy.
Very few clear thinking people think May would have achieved a better Brexit. In any case Boris wasn’t doing the negotiation he wisely delegated to others more capable. |
Others more capable? What like Lord Frost - a man who since the deal was signed has been trying his best to explain why the consequences of it weren't clear to him.
He's another complete tit. Johnson surround himself with them. Williamson, Patel , Frost, Hancock, Truss. It's a spectacularly disappointing bunch. |  |
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| George Galloway on 23:30 - Jul 5 with 679 views | DorsetIan |
| George Galloway on 22:14 - Jul 5 by Saintsforeverj |
You could describe him as the leader with the biggest Tory majority since Thatcher. Or the only leader to turn Labour seats Tory for the first time ever since records began. That would be a fact ofcourse rather than an opinion. Or maybe a powerful clown or a popular clown. Interestingly, he still leads the polls. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 22:16]
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Powerful clown. Popular clown. You're not denying he's a clown though, are you?
Some people grow into their roles - rise to the challenge of the responsible roles they find themselves in. (George VI springs to mind).
Not this charlie. Every step he takes, every move he makes, just confirms him as the utter bozo that all always seemed to be.
Democracy is great. I love it. But sometimes it throws a country a curve ball. Giving responsibility for Brexit and the UK's Covid response to a buffoon of this magnitude is going to go down as one of the UK's greatest tragedies. | |
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| George Galloway on 06:58 - Jul 6 with 644 views | Saintsforeverj |
| George Galloway on 23:30 - Jul 5 by DorsetIan |
Powerful clown. Popular clown. You're not denying he's a clown though, are you?
Some people grow into their roles - rise to the challenge of the responsible roles they find themselves in. (George VI springs to mind).
Not this charlie. Every step he takes, every move he makes, just confirms him as the utter bozo that all always seemed to be.
Democracy is great. I love it. But sometimes it throws a country a curve ball. Giving responsibility for Brexit and the UK's Covid response to a buffoon of this magnitude is going to go down as one of the UK's greatest tragedies. |
In your opinion. For the most part, I think he is doing a good job. | |
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| George Galloway on 09:02 - Jul 6 with 625 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 06:58 - Jul 6 by Saintsforeverj |
In your opinion. For the most part, I think he is doing a good job. |
Then you chose to ignore Cummings comments? I guess you are also happy that with Covid rates rapidly growing again our intrepid leader is talking about ending virtually all restrictions in a couple of weeks time without any shred of scientific evidence that this is a good idea? The bloke is a clown who has lucked out with the vaccine but will be seen as responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths. If you think he is doing a good job you don’t seem to hold very high standards. Even he says it is ludicrous that he has become PM and it is widely accepted that he doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie. The bloke is a total liability and has done untold damage to this country with his incompetence. We deserve better. | | | |
| George Galloway on 09:21 - Jul 6 with 622 views | Berber |
| George Galloway on 09:02 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
Then you chose to ignore Cummings comments? I guess you are also happy that with Covid rates rapidly growing again our intrepid leader is talking about ending virtually all restrictions in a couple of weeks time without any shred of scientific evidence that this is a good idea? The bloke is a clown who has lucked out with the vaccine but will be seen as responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths. If you think he is doing a good job you don’t seem to hold very high standards. Even he says it is ludicrous that he has become PM and it is widely accepted that he doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie. The bloke is a total liability and has done untold damage to this country with his incompetence. We deserve better. |
No scientific evidence? So the two advisors on the podium with him are just winging it? They both stated why now was the right time to slacken off the controls. Clearly you are infuriated by BJ being in the role, but his elections successes cannot be dismissed, and if he is indeed a total liability, it doesn't say much for any of the opposition politicians does it, when people have significantly voted to continue with Boris?
As to ignoring Cummings, he is a freak, and oddball, and clearly out to damage Boris and his government. The majority of the political establishment thought Boris was reckless to appoint him in the first place. If you are inclined to agree with them (so where do you stand on that one?) you cannot place categorical faith in his opinions now surely? |  |
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| George Galloway on 10:19 - Jul 6 with 612 views | Bison |
| George Galloway on 09:02 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
Then you chose to ignore Cummings comments? I guess you are also happy that with Covid rates rapidly growing again our intrepid leader is talking about ending virtually all restrictions in a couple of weeks time without any shred of scientific evidence that this is a good idea? The bloke is a clown who has lucked out with the vaccine but will be seen as responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths. If you think he is doing a good job you don’t seem to hold very high standards. Even he says it is ludicrous that he has become PM and it is widely accepted that he doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie. The bloke is a total liability and has done untold damage to this country with his incompetence. We deserve better. |
He has put it all behind a internet paywall so whoever is reading his sh!te is also lining his pockets. The man has no shame if it was so good for the public interest why would he charge people to read it ? |  |
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| George Galloway on 10:37 - Jul 6 with 605 views | Bazza |
| George Galloway on 10:19 - Jul 6 by Bison |
He has put it all behind a internet paywall so whoever is reading his sh!te is also lining his pockets. The man has no shame if it was so good for the public interest why would he charge people to read it ? |
Cummings was yesterday's idiot, today he's the lefties hero.
We're out of the EU though their bureaucrats are still trying to make the ongoing relationship awkward.
The Tories have a huge majority with Boris as their leader. Starmer's making little headway in the polls.
So why do Soggy, DorsetIan and others continue their boring personal slagging of the PM regurgitating negativity again and again? | | | |
| George Galloway on 10:39 - Jul 6 with 605 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 09:02 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
Then you chose to ignore Cummings comments? I guess you are also happy that with Covid rates rapidly growing again our intrepid leader is talking about ending virtually all restrictions in a couple of weeks time without any shred of scientific evidence that this is a good idea? The bloke is a clown who has lucked out with the vaccine but will be seen as responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths. If you think he is doing a good job you don’t seem to hold very high standards. Even he says it is ludicrous that he has become PM and it is widely accepted that he doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie. The bloke is a total liability and has done untold damage to this country with his incompetence. We deserve better. |
You're ignoring the next to zero death rates or the fact there are more hospitals than there are Covid patients.
You're ignoring the fact we have turbo charged testing and then some, the more you look the more you find, it's why our "infection" rates are way above the rest of Europe.
If we don't open up and start creating natural immunity to all the other airborne respiratory diseases Covid will end up looking like a picnic. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:41]
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| George Galloway on 11:11 - Jul 6 with 598 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 10:39 - Jul 6 by kentsouthampton |
You're ignoring the next to zero death rates or the fact there are more hospitals than there are Covid patients.
You're ignoring the fact we have turbo charged testing and then some, the more you look the more you find, it's why our "infection" rates are way above the rest of Europe.
If we don't open up and start creating natural immunity to all the other airborne respiratory diseases Covid will end up looking like a picnic. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 10:41]
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I’m not ignoring the fact that long Covid is still a big problem and that a number of hospitals are expecting a large intake in the next few weeks as the infection rates translate into sick patients. I’m not ignoring the fact that we will stop taking safety measures overnight whilst the pandemic is still going. I’m not ignoring the fact that the science Johnson says he is following has not backed up this move yet. The sensible thing to do would be to move forward cautiously but from the start Johnson has proved that whilst he might know a lot of Latin, he doesn’t get the word sensible. The herd immunity idea you talk about has already been discredited and if we had continued down that path the death toll would have been much higher. We are still trying to work out what the various mutant strains mean. Personally I would rather not gamble with people’s lives again. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 11:15]
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| George Galloway on 11:26 - Jul 6 with 594 views | DorsetIan |
| George Galloway on 06:58 - Jul 6 by Saintsforeverj |
In your opinion. For the most part, I think he is doing a good job. |
Genuine question to you, Bazza and all those who seems to object to Boris being called out for the nincompoop that he is, what specific things has Boris done that are really improving the lives of working people in this country.
And to keep it simple, let's leave out anything Brexit or Covid related. | |
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| George Galloway on 11:29 - Jul 6 with 584 views | Butty101 |
| George Galloway on 11:26 - Jul 6 by DorsetIan |
Genuine question to you, Bazza and all those who seems to object to Boris being called out for the nincompoop that he is, what specific things has Boris done that are really improving the lives of working people in this country.
And to keep it simple, let's leave out anything Brexit or Covid related. |
Can you name a prime minister, this century that has really improved the lives of the working people? Genuine question. |  |
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| George Galloway on 11:47 - Jul 6 with 585 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 11:29 - Jul 6 by Butty101 |
Can you name a prime minister, this century that has really improved the lives of the working people? Genuine question. |
Blair, simple. | | | |
| George Galloway on 11:51 - Jul 6 with 583 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 11:11 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
I’m not ignoring the fact that long Covid is still a big problem and that a number of hospitals are expecting a large intake in the next few weeks as the infection rates translate into sick patients. I’m not ignoring the fact that we will stop taking safety measures overnight whilst the pandemic is still going. I’m not ignoring the fact that the science Johnson says he is following has not backed up this move yet. The sensible thing to do would be to move forward cautiously but from the start Johnson has proved that whilst he might know a lot of Latin, he doesn’t get the word sensible. The herd immunity idea you talk about has already been discredited and if we had continued down that path the death toll would have been much higher. We are still trying to work out what the various mutant strains mean. Personally I would rather not gamble with people’s lives again. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 11:15]
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I didn't mention "herd Immunity" I'm talking about natural immunity to other airborne respiratory diseases. Unless you're suggesting we lock down for flu now.
The science is more worried about the next flu outbreak than they are Covid, I suggest you look at the latest modelling for flu from Cambridge. | | | |
| George Galloway on 12:05 - Jul 6 with 575 views | Bison |
| George Galloway on 11:51 - Jul 6 by kentsouthampton |
I didn't mention "herd Immunity" I'm talking about natural immunity to other airborne respiratory diseases. Unless you're suggesting we lock down for flu now.
The science is more worried about the next flu outbreak than they are Covid, I suggest you look at the latest modelling for flu from Cambridge. |
Everybody moaning about relaxing the rules seems to be over 60 and their kids have long left school . I am with you on this Kent this could be an awful winter for the kids and parents due to the normal virus's kicking in. Its bad enough in a normal year as the missus works in a school so sees it every year , when the children start suffering i hope all you self serving pensioners take a good look at yourself. | |
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| George Galloway on 12:28 - Jul 6 with 565 views | DorsetIan |
| George Galloway on 11:29 - Jul 6 by Butty101 |
Can you name a prime minister, this century that has really improved the lives of the working people? Genuine question. |
Well just off the top of my head, the coalition government doubled the personal tax allowance from around £5,000 to around £10,000, saving everyone income tax on £5,000/year. Pretty simple, pretty specific, pretty radical. It was a Lib Dem idea. Vince Cable to thank and it's stayed at around the same higher level since.
As someone else said, under the Blair govt, Gordon Brown substantially increased the funding to sure start, schools and the NHS.
So that I'm not being seen to be too partial, Thatcher's 'right to buy' helped lots of people get on the property ladder, albeit thereby restricting the public housing stock and thereby pricing the current generation out of affordable 'first time' homes. | |
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| George Galloway on 12:36 - Jul 6 with 561 views | DorsetIan |
The thing that the govt are trying to gloss over in relation to the Covid relaxations, it that the original plan for full relaxation in June/July assumed that by now controls and vaccinations would have brought the numbers right down.
That was all blown out of the water by Boris delaying the Indian travel restrictions (because he had a trip to India planned to try to get a Brexit-bonus trade deal). So now we have numbers going through the roof instead, which was not the plan at all.
It's like that bit in Chernobyl, where the reactor is on the edge and then they press a button which blows the thing up.
It's all on Boris. His delay. His decision. Hopefully, it will all be OK but we didn't need to be in such a precarious position. | |
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| George Galloway on 12:36 - Jul 6 with 561 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 12:05 - Jul 6 by Bison |
Everybody moaning about relaxing the rules seems to be over 60 and their kids have long left school . I am with you on this Kent this could be an awful winter for the kids and parents due to the normal virus's kicking in. Its bad enough in a normal year as the missus works in a school so sees it every year , when the children start suffering i hope all you self serving pensioners take a good look at yourself. |
It's pathetic, it's also worth noting it's also the over 60's screaming for children to be vaccinated to add to the already slim off chance of them catching it from said children, selfish bastards.
And I'm well over 60 before anyone jumps on me. | | | |
| George Galloway on 12:36 - Jul 6 with 560 views | Saintsforeverj |
| George Galloway on 09:02 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
Then you chose to ignore Cummings comments? I guess you are also happy that with Covid rates rapidly growing again our intrepid leader is talking about ending virtually all restrictions in a couple of weeks time without any shred of scientific evidence that this is a good idea? The bloke is a clown who has lucked out with the vaccine but will be seen as responsible for tens of thousands of preventable deaths. If you think he is doing a good job you don’t seem to hold very high standards. Even he says it is ludicrous that he has become PM and it is widely accepted that he doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie. The bloke is a total liability and has done untold damage to this country with his incompetence. We deserve better. |
What are you talking about, not a shred of evidence? How about vaccines giving 90 per cent protection. How about the current death rate for Covid being less than that of flu. How about every over 40 year old being vaccinated. We can't stay under restrictions forever, otherwise people will lose their livelihoods, mental health will suffer and people will suffer that way. It's time to open up, now that the vulnerable and elderly and others are protected. As for Cummings, no I don't listen to a man who is angry for being sacked looking for revenge and who travelled the country during the first lockdown, lying and breaking the rules. You called him out when he did this, saying what a liability he is, now he is to be listened to? Very convenient for you. And as for Boris, who I vote for in the ballot box is my decision, as it is for you. Many agree with me, clearly as he has huge majority and is still in the lead in the polls. So maybe calm down a little and just accept I have a right to vote for who I want to vote for. Your posts come across as very angry, calling Boris names etc etc. I have my reasons, many agree, you don't, fine that's your choice but it's not for anyone to scream how out of order someone is on a forum for voting for a man that is voted for by the majority. If I like him, that's up to me. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 12:42]
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| George Galloway on 12:41 - Jul 6 with 555 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 12:36 - Jul 6 by Saintsforeverj |
What are you talking about, not a shred of evidence? How about vaccines giving 90 per cent protection. How about the current death rate for Covid being less than that of flu. How about every over 40 year old being vaccinated. We can't stay under restrictions forever, otherwise people will lose their livelihoods, mental health will suffer and people will suffer that way. It's time to open up, now that the vulnerable and elderly and others are protected. As for Cummings, no I don't listen to a man who is angry for being sacked looking for revenge and who travelled the country during the first lockdown, lying and breaking the rules. You called him out when he did this, saying what a liability he is, now he is to be listened to? Very convenient for you. And as for Boris, who I vote for in the ballot box is my decision, as it is for you. Many agree with me, clearly as he has huge majority and is still in the lead in the polls. So maybe calm down a little and just accept I have a right to vote for who I want to vote for. Your posts come across as very angry, calling Boris names etc etc. I have my reasons, many agree, you don't, fine that's your choice but it's not for anyone to scream how out of order someone is on a forum for voting for a man that is voted for by the majority. If I like him, that's up to me. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 12:42]
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I think there's a disconnect between what people expect and what is reality.
The reality is we are all expected to catch Covid several times over the course of our lives.
The first time is almost always the worst, with subsequent infections typically being milder and often unnoticed. Vaccinations are the tool to make our 'first times' far less likely to result in hospitalisation and death.
Everyone over 50 has taken or been offered two jabs. Over 50s account for 99% of Covid deaths to date...
What more do people want exactly? To grind Society into dust until someone convinces them there's no threat or Covid has magically disappeared?
I have some sympathy because we've been deliberately terrorised to ensure mass compliance with restrictions, but ultimately this madness has to stop now. | | | |
| George Galloway on 12:43 - Jul 6 with 552 views | franniesTache |
I think there's a fairly strong case for John Major too, i'm by no means a Tory but find it hard to argue that Major wasn't a good PM for the country |  | | |
| George Galloway on 12:44 - Jul 6 with 552 views | Bazza |
| George Galloway on 11:26 - Jul 6 by DorsetIan |
Genuine question to you, Bazza and all those who seems to object to Boris being called out for the nincompoop that he is, what specific things has Boris done that are really improving the lives of working people in this country.
And to keep it simple, let's leave out anything Brexit or Covid related. |
I'm certainly not going to be an apologist for Boris and agree he can be a nincompoop but repetitive personal insults are unhelpful and boring.
By the way your question is so loaded by disallowing Brexit and Covid which have been all consuming in the last few years. Also trying to categorise some definition of ' working people' is a minefield. eg does that include judges, footballers, business leaders etc | | | |
| George Galloway on 12:51 - Jul 6 with 540 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 12:43 - Jul 6 by franniesTache |
I think there's a fairly strong case for John Major too, i'm by no means a Tory but find it hard to argue that Major wasn't a good PM for the country |
I agree, but pedantically, he did say this century. | | | |
| George Galloway on 12:58 - Jul 6 with 533 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 12:36 - Jul 6 by Saintsforeverj |
What are you talking about, not a shred of evidence? How about vaccines giving 90 per cent protection. How about the current death rate for Covid being less than that of flu. How about every over 40 year old being vaccinated. We can't stay under restrictions forever, otherwise people will lose their livelihoods, mental health will suffer and people will suffer that way. It's time to open up, now that the vulnerable and elderly and others are protected. As for Cummings, no I don't listen to a man who is angry for being sacked looking for revenge and who travelled the country during the first lockdown, lying and breaking the rules. You called him out when he did this, saying what a liability he is, now he is to be listened to? Very convenient for you. And as for Boris, who I vote for in the ballot box is my decision, as it is for you. Many agree with me, clearly as he has huge majority and is still in the lead in the polls. So maybe calm down a little and just accept I have a right to vote for who I want to vote for. Your posts come across as very angry, calling Boris names etc etc. I have my reasons, many agree, you don't, fine that's your choice but it's not for anyone to scream how out of order someone is on a forum for voting for a man that is voted for by the majority. If I like him, that's up to me. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 12:42]
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I am not talking about the vaccines, I am talking about the issue of the growing infection rates and we have not heard yet what this means in terms of how we should come out of a lockdown situation. You don’t think it is odd to just suddenly go back to normal after over a year of tight restrictions when people are still falling ill?
My neighbour has a daughter in her 20’s who has just come down with Covid and is very poorly with it.
Anyway, I have just come back from seeing my doctor and we had a chat about it. He believes that the government are reverting to a policy of herd immunity again and thinks they should just come clean and tell people that is what this is. He says that it will probably be more acceptable amongst now as we can’t keep switching between lockdowns. | | | |
| George Galloway on 13:10 - Jul 6 with 528 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 12:58 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
I am not talking about the vaccines, I am talking about the issue of the growing infection rates and we have not heard yet what this means in terms of how we should come out of a lockdown situation. You don’t think it is odd to just suddenly go back to normal after over a year of tight restrictions when people are still falling ill?
My neighbour has a daughter in her 20’s who has just come down with Covid and is very poorly with it.
Anyway, I have just come back from seeing my doctor and we had a chat about it. He believes that the government are reverting to a policy of herd immunity again and thinks they should just come clean and tell people that is what this is. He says that it will probably be more acceptable amongst now as we can’t keep switching between lockdowns. |
Just to repeat.
I think there's a disconnect between what people expect and what is reality.
The reality is we are all expected to catch Covid several times over the course of our lives.
The first time is almost always the worst, with subsequent infections typically being milder and often unnoticed. Vaccinations are the tool to make our 'first times' far less likely to result in hospitalisation and death.
Everyone over 50 has taken or been offered two jabs. Over 50s account for 99% of Covid deaths to date...
What more do people want exactly? To grind Society into dust until someone convinces them there's no threat or Covid has magically disappeared? | | | |
| George Galloway on 14:08 - Jul 6 with 511 views | DorsetIan |
| George Galloway on 12:44 - Jul 6 by Bazza |
I'm certainly not going to be an apologist for Boris and agree he can be a nincompoop but repetitive personal insults are unhelpful and boring.
By the way your question is so loaded by disallowing Brexit and Covid which have been all consuming in the last few years. Also trying to categorise some definition of ' working people' is a minefield. eg does that include judges, footballers, business leaders etc |
Maybe it is loaded but it's still a reasonable question. What has he done to make him a reasonable PM? Because on Brexit we're never going to agree and on Covid it's basically Excellent Vax Programme v 150,000 dead and pretty shit everything else (schools, track and trace, border control).
'Working people'. Let's make it simple. Anyone earning on or around the average annual annual salary (or less) which is about £30K I think. People who are essentially relying on state education, health and social care.
Anything? Or is it all waffle about 'levelling up'? | |
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