| George Galloway 10:23 - Jul 2 with 4889 views | Sadoldgit |
Where do I start? What an idiot. He split the Labour vote and nearly let the Tories in. It is the division in the Labour Party that is helping keep the worst government in living history in power and Galloway needs to have a look at himself. He may reason that getting rid of Starmer is best for the party. No it isn’t. Getting elected and getting Johnson out is best for the party. Get that done first and worry about the Leader afterwards if it is that much of an issue for you. Andy Burnham was spot on in last night on Question Time. Support your leader, do what needs to be done to get elected first. Starmer is a forward thinking leader who understands that Labour need to be seen as a party of the 21st century, not stuck in the dark days of industrial strife of the last century. People like Galloway talk to those who are also rooted in the past. We don’t shove children up chimneys any more. The world has moved on. There are still contemporary issue to be dealt with which only a modern socialist party will tackle. Good to see Starmer tackle issues such as zero hour contracts etc but the Party need to get behind him and end this damaging in fighting.
Burnham talked a lot of sense last night. Local issues are becoming more important than ever before and that is where the battles need to be fought. Rejuvenation of High Streets, local jobs and infrastructure, health care, protection of arable land and the environment - these are all areas where opposition parties can come together and make a difference. This is where the likes of Galloway needs to be putting their energy, not tearing the party apart. |  | | |  |
| George Galloway on 14:33 - Jul 6 with 986 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 13:10 - Jul 6 by kentsouthampton |
Just to repeat.
I think there's a disconnect between what people expect and what is reality.
The reality is we are all expected to catch Covid several times over the course of our lives.
The first time is almost always the worst, with subsequent infections typically being milder and often unnoticed. Vaccinations are the tool to make our 'first times' far less likely to result in hospitalisation and death.
Everyone over 50 has taken or been offered two jabs. Over 50s account for 99% of Covid deaths to date...
What more do people want exactly? To grind Society into dust until someone convinces them there's no threat or Covid has magically disappeared? |
I don’t see an issue of coming out of lockdown. I see an issue in removing virtually all of the safety measures overnight, especially with the infection rates going through the roof again. A controlled return to normality makes much more sense than a free for all under the circumstances does it not? | | | |
| George Galloway on 14:44 - Jul 6 with 973 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 14:33 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
I don’t see an issue of coming out of lockdown. I see an issue in removing virtually all of the safety measures overnight, especially with the infection rates going through the roof again. A controlled return to normality makes much more sense than a free for all under the circumstances does it not? |
It just delays the inevitable, at the risk of repeating myself most people will catch this several times in their lifetime, it will become just as endemic as the common cold.
Unless we are going to trash the way we live, we need to learn to live with this. I'd rather do it sooner than later. |  | | |
| George Galloway on 15:45 - Jul 6 with 942 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 14:44 - Jul 6 by kentsouthampton |
It just delays the inevitable, at the risk of repeating myself most people will catch this several times in their lifetime, it will become just as endemic as the common cold.
Unless we are going to trash the way we live, we need to learn to live with this. I'd rather do it sooner than later. |
Ok, well good luck. I hope that neither you, your loved ones or friends become part of the statistics. | | | |
| George Galloway on 16:24 - Jul 6 with 935 views | Bazza |
| George Galloway on 14:08 - Jul 6 by DorsetIan |
Maybe it is loaded but it's still a reasonable question. What has he done to make him a reasonable PM? Because on Brexit we're never going to agree and on Covid it's basically Excellent Vax Programme v 150,000 dead and pretty shit everything else (schools, track and trace, border control).
'Working people'. Let's make it simple. Anyone earning on or around the average annual annual salary (or less) which is about £30K I think. People who are essentially relying on state education, health and social care.
Anything? Or is it all waffle about 'levelling up'? |
Could be all waffle, I’ll have to have a good think. |  | | |
| George Galloway on 16:27 - Jul 6 with 931 views | Saintsforeverj |
| George Galloway on 12:58 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
I am not talking about the vaccines, I am talking about the issue of the growing infection rates and we have not heard yet what this means in terms of how we should come out of a lockdown situation. You don’t think it is odd to just suddenly go back to normal after over a year of tight restrictions when people are still falling ill?
My neighbour has a daughter in her 20’s who has just come down with Covid and is very poorly with it.
Anyway, I have just come back from seeing my doctor and we had a chat about it. He believes that the government are reverting to a policy of herd immunity again and thinks they should just come clean and tell people that is what this is. He says that it will probably be more acceptable amongst now as we can’t keep switching between lockdowns. |
Infections will go up. It's inevitable, forever. If we keep restrictions until October, infections will go up thereafter. If we keep restrictions until next June, infections will go up after that too. It's here forever whether we like it or not. We can't keep restric forever and ever can we? Millions would lose their jobs, mental health illness would be just as bad as some getting ill etc.
The vulnerable and the elderly are vaccinated. People can choose whether to go out or not. The death rate is very low in comparison to other things. This can't go on forever. People need to socialise, run their lives and live life. Children need to be in school. They need to be learning and socialising normally. You want restrictions to continue, but that would damage lives too. Some businesses are on the brink and need to open up. There is a risk but every adult has been offered a vaccine. They are 90 per cent effective. It's time to take the acceptable risk. And even then, people can choose to stay at home. | |
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| George Galloway on 16:31 - Jul 6 with 928 views | geezershoong1 |
| George Galloway on 15:45 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
Ok, well good luck. I hope that neither you, your loved ones or friends become part of the statistics. |
Only good, well social engineered citizens wear face masks.
Lockdowns forever!  |  |
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| George Galloway on 16:33 - Jul 6 with 926 views | grumpy |
| George Galloway on 16:27 - Jul 6 by Saintsforeverj |
Infections will go up. It's inevitable, forever. If we keep restrictions until October, infections will go up thereafter. If we keep restrictions until next June, infections will go up after that too. It's here forever whether we like it or not. We can't keep restric forever and ever can we? Millions would lose their jobs, mental health illness would be just as bad as some getting ill etc.
The vulnerable and the elderly are vaccinated. People can choose whether to go out or not. The death rate is very low in comparison to other things. This can't go on forever. People need to socialise, run their lives and live life. Children need to be in school. They need to be learning and socialising normally. You want restrictions to continue, but that would damage lives too. Some businesses are on the brink and need to open up. There is a risk but every adult has been offered a vaccine. They are 90 per cent effective. It's time to take the acceptable risk. And even then, people can choose to stay at home. |
Agree, we have to move on.
The levels of anxiety this has caused has to abate because anxiety in itself is a killer. |  | | |
| George Galloway on 16:40 - Jul 6 with 924 views | Sadoldgit |
I have three kids in their early 20’s and none of them have been vaccinated yet, so excuse me for not being gung ho about dumping most restrictions in one go. It’s interesting in hearing the difference in opinions between those who have been badly affected by Covid and those who haven’t been touched by it. I really don’t see the problem in being cautious and will not be rushing out to join crowds in enclosed spaces any time soon. | | | |
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| George Galloway on 17:15 - Jul 6 with 914 views | Saintsforeverj |
| George Galloway on 16:40 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
I have three kids in their early 20’s and none of them have been vaccinated yet, so excuse me for not being gung ho about dumping most restrictions in one go. It’s interesting in hearing the difference in opinions between those who have been badly affected by Covid and those who haven’t been touched by it. I really don’t see the problem in being cautious and will not be rushing out to join crowds in enclosed spaces any time soon. |
You don't see the problem in telling restaurants / theatres / small businesses whatever, to continue to run under capacity? So people lose their jobs, become homeless, their mental health destroyed because of a very small number who get ill? You want children to continue having their life chances diminished by being in bubbles? What you are advocating is damaging lives in another way. It's about what is an acceptable risk. We have to accept its a risk, but it's an acceptable one because the risk of getting ill from Covid is less than other illnesses or other activities because of vaccines. It is currently more dangerous to get in a car statistically than catching Covid so perhaps we should restrict driving too or worry frantically about it? Or just accept that yes there is a risk. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 17:44]
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| George Galloway on 18:05 - Jul 6 with 891 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 15:45 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
Ok, well good luck. I hope that neither you, your loved ones or friends become part of the statistics. |
They won't, they've either been vaccinated or are of an age where the chances of falling ill from it are slim to none. | | | |
| George Galloway on 18:20 - Jul 6 with 881 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 17:15 - Jul 6 by Saintsforeverj |
You don't see the problem in telling restaurants / theatres / small businesses whatever, to continue to run under capacity? So people lose their jobs, become homeless, their mental health destroyed because of a very small number who get ill? You want children to continue having their life chances diminished by being in bubbles? What you are advocating is damaging lives in another way. It's about what is an acceptable risk. We have to accept its a risk, but it's an acceptable one because the risk of getting ill from Covid is less than other illnesses or other activities because of vaccines. It is currently more dangerous to get in a car statistically than catching Covid so perhaps we should restrict driving too or worry frantically about it? Or just accept that yes there is a risk. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 17:44]
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Given a choice between losing a job and losing their life I think that most people would chose losing a job. You can get another one. Who decides what an acceptable risk is when it comes to other people’s lives? It was deemed an acceptable risk to put people with the virus into care homes. That went well! I prefer that these decisions are made by medical experts not people like Johnson. The person calling the shots has only just taken the job over and was previously a banker. You might have confidence in him and his boss. I don’t. | | | |
| George Galloway on 18:20 - Jul 6 with 881 views | kernow |
| George Galloway on 16:31 - Jul 6 by geezershoong1 |
Only good, well social engineered citizens wear face masks.
Lockdowns forever! |
What about ugly people? | | | |
| George Galloway on 08:23 - Jul 7 with 823 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 18:20 - Jul 6 by kernow |
What about ugly people? |
People from this forum will have to self isolate for 3 months! 😉 | | | |
| George Galloway on 11:26 - Jul 7 with 805 views | Berber |
| George Galloway on 14:33 - Jul 6 by Sadoldgit |
I don’t see an issue of coming out of lockdown. I see an issue in removing virtually all of the safety measures overnight, especially with the infection rates going through the roof again. A controlled return to normality makes much more sense than a free for all under the circumstances does it not? |
This is in The Times today, regarding the government's approach to exiting lockdown.
'You might expect, then, that there would be a lot of dissent. There is indeed some. But among the scientists of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), many of whom will still accuse the government of incompetence or even idiocy in some of its actions last year, there is a broad if grim, consensus that this may be a gamble, but it is a calculated one."
The bigger the wave, the greater chance of new variants to evolve, but they will evolve sooner or later anyway. On the other hand, the bigger the wave, the bigger the drop afterwards, as effectively, after the extensive immunisation programme and recovered infections, herd immunity will have been achieved. The only real debate in the knowledgable scientific community, is whether the wave now would be better than a wave in the autumn - the calculated risk. All pretty much accept that a Covid wave and concurrent Flu wave would be very difficult for the NHS to deal with, so we would be in another 6 month lockdown phase almost certainly.
I have a daughter with compromised lung capacity, but she also has children. She is an Aeronautical Engineer, so well able to analyse data and calculate risk. She is in a much better position than me to make an assessment, but I agree with her view that there are still many uncertainties, but sitting tight when we know the virus will never go away is the least attractive, and least right option. If we can't do it now, we probably never can. |  |
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| George Galloway on 12:41 - Jul 7 with 790 views | Sadoldgit |
The guy I work for has just received a text from the NHS saying he has to self isolate for 8 days. He has just gone out with a colleague to visit a customer. Little wonder that the infection rate is climbing again! | | | |
| George Galloway on 11:42 - Jul 8 with 723 views | Berber |
| George Galloway on 12:41 - Jul 7 by Sadoldgit |
The guy I work for has just received a text from the NHS saying he has to self isolate for 8 days. He has just gone out with a colleague to visit a customer. Little wonder that the infection rate is climbing again! |
But there is a lot of fallout too. This sounds like they were in the same place, on the same day as someone who has tested positive.
My wife and her friends got pinged after someone who attended the same cafe (they sat outside), on the same day tested positive. All are double vaccinated, all have scrupulously observed distancing and cleanliness guidance. No indications of what time of day, so they were most likely there and gone before the other person even turned up. Of course, having isolated and tested, they were all clear, the process having screwed up quite a few business meetings as well as much anticipated social events. It is easy to see why some otherwise conscientious folk are inclined to turn off their apps and commercial businesses have had enough. | |
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| George Galloway on 12:09 - Jul 8 with 718 views | DorsetIan |
We know from the sad history of the previous waves, that track and trace is hardly worth the bother when numbers are too high.
My impression is that really the govt has given up on controlling the spread of the virus, otherwise than through the vaccination programme.
Seriously, what is the point is continuing with these draconian track and trace things when pretty much nothing else is being done?
Once again, it just smacks of incompetence. | |
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| George Galloway on 13:41 - Jul 8 with 709 views | Sadoldgit |
My boss thought as he tested negative yesterday he would not have to self isolate but the official rules say he must? He then spoke to his surgery who told him that lots of people had received a notice but that it was a glitch in the system so they told him not to worry about it!! | | | |
| George Galloway on 23:51 - Jul 10 with 628 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 23:30 - Jul 5 by DorsetIan |
Powerful clown. Popular clown. You're not denying he's a clown though, are you?
Some people grow into their roles - rise to the challenge of the responsible roles they find themselves in. (George VI springs to mind).
Not this charlie. Every step he takes, every move he makes, just confirms him as the utter bozo that all always seemed to be.
Democracy is great. I love it. But sometimes it throws a country a curve ball. Giving responsibility for Brexit and the UK's Covid response to a buffoon of this magnitude is going to go down as one of the UK's greatest tragedies. |
So what's Johnson supposed to do?
Unlike other countries, he's having to deal with two disasters at the same time, Brexit and the virus.
The economic implications of this are enormous, and it's little wonder he's had to make some very hard decisions, just like Churchill, in order for the Country to survive.
Fighting on two fronts has become impossible, and hence his decision to let the virus have it's way and try and live and die with it, and put all effort into dealing with the consequences of Brexit.
And this may not be a bad thing.
It's likely to give us a head start on all those countries concerned with health rather than wealth, and if the UK can get it's act together, should put us in a very good position with regard exports and trade, and help make the Country very attractive for inward investment. | | | |
| George Galloway on 09:34 - Jul 11 with 566 views | Sadoldgit |
Dealing in wealth instead of health is all very well for those who have both. There are people who think that “wealth” is about having a healthy vibrant population rather than looking after a few people with piles of money in the bank. You can’t enjoy wealth if you are lying in a hospital bed and you have less chance of leaving that hospital bed in better shape if wealth is not invested in care. Let’s not compare Johnson with Churchill eh? They couldn’t be more different. I agree they have both had to make tough decisions but one did it for the greater good whereas the other is only doing the job to serve his own ego and really doesn’t give a stuff. | | | |
| George Galloway on 09:36 - Jul 11 with 565 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 09:34 - Jul 11 by Sadoldgit |
Dealing in wealth instead of health is all very well for those who have both. There are people who think that “wealth” is about having a healthy vibrant population rather than looking after a few people with piles of money in the bank. You can’t enjoy wealth if you are lying in a hospital bed and you have less chance of leaving that hospital bed in better shape if wealth is not invested in care. Let’s not compare Johnson with Churchill eh? They couldn’t be more different. I agree they have both had to make tough decisions but one did it for the greater good whereas the other is only doing the job to serve his own ego and really doesn’t give a stuff. |
Irony goes way over your head, doesn't it. | | | |
| George Galloway on 10:00 - Jul 11 with 559 views | DorsetIan |
| George Galloway on 23:51 - Jul 10 by kentsouthampton |
So what's Johnson supposed to do?
Unlike other countries, he's having to deal with two disasters at the same time, Brexit and the virus.
The economic implications of this are enormous, and it's little wonder he's had to make some very hard decisions, just like Churchill, in order for the Country to survive.
Fighting on two fronts has become impossible, and hence his decision to let the virus have it's way and try and live and die with it, and put all effort into dealing with the consequences of Brexit.
And this may not be a bad thing.
It's likely to give us a head start on all those countries concerned with health rather than wealth, and if the UK can get it's act together, should put us in a very good position with regard exports and trade, and help make the Country very attractive for inward investment. |
Step down is what he should do. Admit that his particular brand of irresponsible bon homie is not what this country needs at the moment.
The fact that there are two monumental issues to deal with (both partly of his making) doesn’t make it sensible or necessary for him to deal with them. Quite the contrary. | |
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| George Galloway on 19:35 - Jul 11 with 533 views | Sadoldgit |
| George Galloway on 09:36 - Jul 11 by kentsouthampton |
Irony goes way over your head, doesn't it. |
Oh, I see. Your comparison of him with Churchill was ironic. | | | |
| George Galloway on 02:42 - Jul 12 with 512 views | Bicester_North |
| George Galloway on 09:36 - Jul 11 by kentsouthampton |
Irony goes way over your head, doesn't it. |
Where did you copy and paste that from Arthur | |
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| George Galloway on 11:47 - Jul 12 with 471 views | kentsouthampton |
| George Galloway on 19:35 - Jul 11 by Sadoldgit |
Oh, I see. Your comparison of him with Churchill was ironic. |
The first sentence was a give away. | | | |
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