| Dembele on 22:08 - Jul 9 with 2840 views | Saintsforeverj |
He's the sort of signing we need up front. Was prolific for Celtic. |  |
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| Dembele on 22:29 - Jul 9 with 2790 views | Berber |
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| Dembele on 08:16 - Jul 10 with 2609 views | 1teeminants |
Good goal scoring record
19 in 64 for Fulham
51 in 94 for Celtic
67 in 143 for Lyon
You can’t argue with that record.
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| Dembele on 10:46 - Jul 10 with 2460 views | SaintNick |
| Dembele on 08:16 - Jul 10 by 1teeminants |
Good goal scoring record
19 in 64 for Fulham
51 in 94 for Celtic
67 in 143 for Lyon
You can’t argue with that record.
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I can argue with it.
At Fulham he played 40 games plus 16 as sub, mostly in the Championship, scored 15 goals, a goal every 4 games in the Championship is not prolific.
At Celtic 38 plus 17 sub and 26 goals is a good record but it is the Scottish league.
At lyon its exactly a goal every other game, but again Sofiane Boufal is prolific in France.
I wouldn't be unhappy if we signed him, but he hasn't done it in a tough league |  |
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| Dembele on 10:53 - Jul 10 with 2452 views | JaySaint |
| Dembele on 10:46 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
I can argue with it.
At Fulham he played 40 games plus 16 as sub, mostly in the Championship, scored 15 goals, a goal every 4 games in the Championship is not prolific.
At Celtic 38 plus 17 sub and 26 goals is a good record but it is the Scottish league.
At lyon its exactly a goal every other game, but again Sofiane Boufal is prolific in France.
I wouldn't be unhappy if we signed him, but he hasn't done it in a tough league |
Neither have..
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| Dembele on 10:55 - Jul 10 with 2433 views | PatfromPoole |
| Dembele on 10:46 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
I can argue with it.
At Fulham he played 40 games plus 16 as sub, mostly in the Championship, scored 15 goals, a goal every 4 games in the Championship is not prolific.
At Celtic 38 plus 17 sub and 26 goals is a good record but it is the Scottish league.
At lyon its exactly a goal every other game, but again Sofiane Boufal is prolific in France.
I wouldn't be unhappy if we signed him, but he hasn't done it in a tough league |
Nick, by your criteria the only striker we should have been in for is Haaland.
That’s if the Bundesliga is a tough enough league, of course…… |  |
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| Dembele on 11:00 - Jul 10 with 2419 views | SaintNick |
| Dembele on 10:55 - Jul 10 by PatfromPoole |
Nick, by your criteria the only striker we should have been in for is Haaland.
That’s if the Bundesliga is a tough enough league, of course…… |
The only real English benchmark we have is at Fulham and he did not have a great record in the Championship, although he was quite young | |
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| Dembele on 11:04 - Jul 10 with 2406 views | PatfromPoole |
| Dembele on 11:00 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
The only real English benchmark we have is at Fulham and he did not have a great record in the Championship, although he was quite young |
Ligue 1 is a high standard League. | |
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| Dembele on 13:57 - Jul 10 with 2288 views | 1teeminants |
| Dembele on 10:46 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
I can argue with it.
At Fulham he played 40 games plus 16 as sub, mostly in the Championship, scored 15 goals, a goal every 4 games in the Championship is not prolific.
At Celtic 38 plus 17 sub and 26 goals is a good record but it is the Scottish league.
At lyon its exactly a goal every other game, but again Sofiane Boufal is prolific in France.
I wouldn't be unhappy if we signed him, but he hasn't done it in a tough league |
I thought you would somehow lol
Neither had Luke Shaw, Alan Shearer, Gareth Bale, are we only to sign players that have done it in a tough league. ?
Those figures you spouted do not match up with what the article says. Are they making it all up ? If you know where the net is you know where the net is and as Pat pointed out Lyon is a good standard. [Post edited 10 Jul 2022 14:13]
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| Dembele on 21:07 - Jul 10 with 2107 views | SaintNick |
| Dembele on 13:57 - Jul 10 by 1teeminants |
I thought you would somehow lol
Neither had Luke Shaw, Alan Shearer, Gareth Bale, are we only to sign players that have done it in a tough league. ?
Those figures you spouted do not match up with what the article says. Are they making it all up ? If you know where the net is you know where the net is and as Pat pointed out Lyon is a good standard. [Post edited 10 Jul 2022 14:13]
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Ligue one is a bit like the Premier League, 1 club dominates it PSG who won it last season by 15 points , there are a couple of others who arent bad, Lille & Marseille, but after that it is teams that you have never heard of.
The stats I used were league games only, thats the only real judge of a striker these days as there are so many cup games played against reserve sides etc.
Quoting Shearer etc is a totally different benchmark to a player who is 26 and scored a few goals in Scotland and France, Sofiane Boufal scored 11 League goals in 29 games for Lille in 2015/16, got 1 goal in 24 in the Premier League for Saints the following season and 3 in 70 appearances in total, he got 8 in 29 games last season in Ligue 1.
The net in France is easier to find out where it is than in the Premier league | |
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| Dembele on 21:16 - Jul 10 with 2086 views | PatfromPoole |
| Dembele on 21:07 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
Ligue one is a bit like the Premier League, 1 club dominates it PSG who won it last season by 15 points , there are a couple of others who arent bad, Lille & Marseille, but after that it is teams that you have never heard of.
The stats I used were league games only, thats the only real judge of a striker these days as there are so many cup games played against reserve sides etc.
Quoting Shearer etc is a totally different benchmark to a player who is 26 and scored a few goals in Scotland and France, Sofiane Boufal scored 11 League goals in 29 games for Lille in 2015/16, got 1 goal in 24 in the Premier League for Saints the following season and 3 in 70 appearances in total, he got 8 in 29 games last season in Ligue 1.
The net in France is easier to find out where it is than in the Premier league |
Apples and pears.
Boufal’s game didn’t suit the Prem. He was too lightweight and was intimidated by a lot of the opponents he came up against.
Whereas physical players who came from Ligue 1 like Drogba, Vieira and Cantona did just fine over here.
The fact Dembele did well in Scotland indicates to me that he would be OK in the Prem physically. | |
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| Dembele on 22:05 - Jul 10 with 2031 views | SaintNick |
| Dembele on 21:16 - Jul 10 by PatfromPoole |
Apples and pears.
Boufal’s game didn’t suit the Prem. He was too lightweight and was intimidated by a lot of the opponents he came up against.
Whereas physical players who came from Ligue 1 like Drogba, Vieira and Cantona did just fine over here.
The fact Dembele did well in Scotland indicates to me that he would be OK in the Prem physically. |
With respect Dembele played for a club in Scotland that won 9 League titles in a row and due to Rangers issues they had no real oppositiion, in Dembele's first season they won the title from Rangers by 30 points and scored 106 goals that in itself 32 more than Rangers in second. Dembele got 17 in 29 appearances
It was a turkey shoot.
In his second season it was closer only 9 points, and Celtic only scored 73 goals, Dembele scored 9 in 25 appearances not a great total
As I said if Dembele arrives I will be open minded, all I am saying is his track record is not that great, lets be honest physical didn't come into it for Celtic, they were so much better than the rest, if I had played 29 games for them I would have probably got a few goals in a side that was scoring for fun | |
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| Dembele on 23:20 - Jul 10 with 1958 views | PatfromPoole |
| Dembele on 22:05 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
With respect Dembele played for a club in Scotland that won 9 League titles in a row and due to Rangers issues they had no real oppositiion, in Dembele's first season they won the title from Rangers by 30 points and scored 106 goals that in itself 32 more than Rangers in second. Dembele got 17 in 29 appearances
It was a turkey shoot.
In his second season it was closer only 9 points, and Celtic only scored 73 goals, Dembele scored 9 in 25 appearances not a great total
As I said if Dembele arrives I will be open minded, all I am saying is his track record is not that great, lets be honest physical didn't come into it for Celtic, they were so much better than the rest, if I had played 29 games for them I would have probably got a few goals in a side that was scoring for fun |
I thought you were more of an Alan Hansen; dominating at the back, silky skilled and adept at cynical fouls, time wasting and general shithousery. | |
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| Dembele on 23:34 - Jul 10 with 1934 views | SaintNick |
| Dembele on 23:20 - Jul 10 by PatfromPoole |
I thought you were more of an Alan Hansen; dominating at the back, silky skilled and adept at cynical fouls, time wasting and general shithousery. |
I was good for a few goals per season, as Celtic overran Ross County & Partick Thistle four times a season I would fancy myself for a few | |
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| Dembele on 23:42 - Jul 10 with 1922 views | PatfromPoole |
| Dembele on 23:34 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
I was good for a few goals per season, as Celtic overran Ross County & Partick Thistle four times a season I would fancy myself for a few |
Neil McCann apart, we’ve done pretty well from signing players in the Scottish League in my time of watching Saints.
Even Terry Hurlock was a (relative) success….. | |
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| Dembele on 07:03 - Jul 11 with 1837 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Dembele on 11:04 - Jul 10 by PatfromPoole |
Ligue 1 is a high standard League. |
If so Pat, why do French teams fare so badly in the European competitions? It’s all PSG isn’t it? Worse polarisation than the Sweaties and that’s saying something! |  |
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| Dembele on 07:18 - Jul 11 with 1812 views | PatfromPoole |
| Dembele on 07:03 - Jul 11 by Chesham_Saint |
If so Pat, why do French teams fare so badly in the European competitions? It’s all PSG isn’t it? Worse polarisation than the Sweaties and that’s saying something! |
I guess there isn’t the big TV money over in France which would enable the clubs to pay higher wages to top players.
It’s culturally more of a rugby country; idiotic if you ask me.
I think you could say much the same about the English League though re the lack of competition. There are 2 teams who are miles ahead, then 4 or 5 others who have enough finance to compete in Europe. Then everybody else. | |
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| Dembele on 08:36 - Jul 11 with 1720 views | PeterL22 |
Sorry Ligue 1 is nowhere near as competitive (or as high a standard) as PL. Pace is slower and generally players as less good. Having said that, I’m all for this signing as it’s the first real link with a true striker so far. I can’t believe that we are still linked with more midfielders and little seems to be happening with strikers. | | | |
| Dembele on 09:16 - Jul 11 with 1658 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Dembele on 07:18 - Jul 11 by PatfromPoole |
I guess there isn’t the big TV money over in France which would enable the clubs to pay higher wages to top players.
It’s culturally more of a rugby country; idiotic if you ask me.
I think you could say much the same about the English League though re the lack of competition. There are 2 teams who are miles ahead, then 4 or 5 others who have enough finance to compete in Europe. Then everybody else. |
Yes. As with every other league we are seeing a dangerous polarisation here as well but once Klopp and Pep go there’s every chance of another three, maybe four other clubs who could win. In France though, who else is there? Despite producing some wonderful players in the last 25 years as a footballing nation they’re second rate - in League terms and support. | |
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| Dembele on 09:23 - Jul 11 with 1647 views | 1teeminants |
| Dembele on 21:07 - Jul 10 by SaintNick |
Ligue one is a bit like the Premier League, 1 club dominates it PSG who won it last season by 15 points , there are a couple of others who arent bad, Lille & Marseille, but after that it is teams that you have never heard of.
The stats I used were league games only, thats the only real judge of a striker these days as there are so many cup games played against reserve sides etc.
Quoting Shearer etc is a totally different benchmark to a player who is 26 and scored a few goals in Scotland and France, Sofiane Boufal scored 11 League goals in 29 games for Lille in 2015/16, got 1 goal in 24 in the Premier League for Saints the following season and 3 in 70 appearances in total, he got 8 in 29 games last season in Ligue 1.
The net in France is easier to find out where it is than in the Premier league |
When a striker or indeed anyone is measured on career stats it includes everything and so it should. You don’t hear people say well yes he scored 239 goals in his career but 10 of them should have been offside ,19 were against really Shyte sides , 7 were miskicks , 4 off his arse so they don’t really count either. lol. | |
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| Dembele on 09:35 - Jul 11 with 1626 views | SaintNick |
| Dembele on 09:23 - Jul 11 by 1teeminants |
When a striker or indeed anyone is measured on career stats it includes everything and so it should. You don’t hear people say well yes he scored 239 goals in his career but 10 of them should have been offside ,19 were against really Shyte sides , 7 were miskicks , 4 off his arse so they don’t really count either. lol. |
No but we should judge a player by the goals he scores at the level you want him to play, last season Elyounoussi scored 4 Premier League goals in 31 games, a below average return for an attacking midfielder, but if add his 3 cup games and his 4 goals then you get 8 goals in 34 games.
Now that figure looks respectable, that he is a prolific scorer and had a great season in front of goal, what the stat doesn't tell you is that 3 of them came against League two side Newport County and they had put out a weakened side and that we beat them 9-0 .
This 1 game completely gives Elyounoussi's stats for the season a misleading slant.
I agree it doesn't matter how goals go in, but if you want to measure a player then lets do so at the level we want them to play, not in cup games against lower league opposition. | |
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| Dembele on 09:39 - Jul 11 with 1616 views | PatfromPoole |
| Dembele on 09:35 - Jul 11 by SaintNick |
No but we should judge a player by the goals he scores at the level you want him to play, last season Elyounoussi scored 4 Premier League goals in 31 games, a below average return for an attacking midfielder, but if add his 3 cup games and his 4 goals then you get 8 goals in 34 games.
Now that figure looks respectable, that he is a prolific scorer and had a great season in front of goal, what the stat doesn't tell you is that 3 of them came against League two side Newport County and they had put out a weakened side and that we beat them 9-0 .
This 1 game completely gives Elyounoussi's stats for the season a misleading slant.
I agree it doesn't matter how goals go in, but if you want to measure a player then lets do so at the level we want them to play, not in cup games against lower league opposition. |
Is that 31 starts in the Prem? | |
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| Dembele on 09:43 - Jul 11 with 1604 views | Buggalugs |
| Dembele on 09:35 - Jul 11 by SaintNick |
No but we should judge a player by the goals he scores at the level you want him to play, last season Elyounoussi scored 4 Premier League goals in 31 games, a below average return for an attacking midfielder, but if add his 3 cup games and his 4 goals then you get 8 goals in 34 games.
Now that figure looks respectable, that he is a prolific scorer and had a great season in front of goal, what the stat doesn't tell you is that 3 of them came against League two side Newport County and they had put out a weakened side and that we beat them 9-0 .
This 1 game completely gives Elyounoussi's stats for the season a misleading slant.
I agree it doesn't matter how goals go in, but if you want to measure a player then lets do so at the level we want them to play, not in cup games against lower league opposition. |
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| Dembele on 09:46 - Jul 11 with 1599 views | SaintNick |
| Dembele on 09:39 - Jul 11 by PatfromPoole |
Is that 31 starts in the Prem? |
23 starts and 7 as sub, but we have to ignore that and base it on his 1 appearance in the League cup, there he averaged a goal every 33 minutes, that is phenomenal.
In fairness to Elyounoussi he only got 2 goals less than Broja, so perhaps we have Broja's replacement already at the club, if we had played Elyounoussi at Cheslea in the League cup and subsequent games in that competition we would have surely won it. Ralph Out | |
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| Dembele on 09:52 - Jul 11 with 1588 views | 1teeminants |
| Dembele on 09:46 - Jul 11 by SaintNick |
23 starts and 7 as sub, but we have to ignore that and base it on his 1 appearance in the League cup, there he averaged a goal every 33 minutes, that is phenomenal.
In fairness to Elyounoussi he only got 2 goals less than Broja, so perhaps we have Broja's replacement already at the club, if we had played Elyounoussi at Cheslea in the League cup and subsequent games in that competition we would have surely won it. Ralph Out |
I’ve just heard our offer has been refused and he doesn’t want to come here anyway he wants a bigger club.
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