| Lets look forward to the Championship 21:14 - Mar 3 with 4254 views | grumpy |
Win,Lose or Draw against Leicester I'm not sure I care.
Parachute Payment.
The Prospect of not losing most of the time.
Good old fashioned clubs to play,
No VAR.
3pm Kick offs.
More Games.
Cheaper Games.
Hopefully more young talent given a chance.
Not seeing the same teams winning all the time.
Good clear out of who wants to be here and those that don't.
Not so bad is it?
[Post edited 3 Mar 2023 21:16]
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 14:45 - Mar 6 with 794 views | SaintNick |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 14:06 - Mar 6 by PatfromPoole |
And this is where you again add less weight to your argument with incorrect statistics.
Poortvliet's record in League games:
Played 28; won 6, drew 8, lost 14
Points 26
With just 1 home win, which would largely account for the crowds SF73 was alluding to.
Pearson's record in League games:
Played 14; won 3, drew 7, lost 4
Points 16
If you are seriously trying to claim that Poortvliet was a better manager at Saints than Pearson, then it's just another misguided opinion, as it's certainly not based on fact. |
Sorry I have got my seasons mixed up.
Poortvliet's record was 0.93 points per game and Pearson's 1.14 not a lot of difference.
I never said that Poortvliet was a better manager, I just said that he was there as he was a cheap option, he had a team of kids whereas Pearson had experienced pros to get the job done, Stern John, Jason Euell, Andrew Surman, Bradley Wright Phillips, Jhon Viafara, Marek Saganowski even Idiakez plus Richard Wright in goal, all of whom were involved in the final day of the season when we beat Sheffield United to stay up.
The circumstances that Pearson had and Poortvliet had were totally different, .
truth is neither were that great for us.
But I dont dismiss Jan Poortvliet a decent man and a well respected man as a player as a hapless fool because he stepped into a job that no one wanted at the salary being offered, why does there always have to be so much hatred towards those we perceive as not doing well. |  |
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 14:56 - Mar 6 with 771 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 14:38 - Mar 6 by PatfromPoole |
It really isn’t.
We wouldn’t have been there in the first place if it wasn’t for his mismanagement.
And a good manager could have kept that young side up in the Championship.
HLowe chose a manager without a clue about The Championship. The number of international caps he had as a player in Holland is totally irrelevant. |
Not even SAF could have kept us in the Championship with that squad.
Lowe's biggest mistake was listening to the moron fans and not re-appointing Hoddle. |  |
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 14:57 - Mar 6 with 770 views | PatfromPoole |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 14:45 - Mar 6 by SaintNick |
Sorry I have got my seasons mixed up.
Poortvliet's record was 0.93 points per game and Pearson's 1.14 not a lot of difference.
I never said that Poortvliet was a better manager, I just said that he was there as he was a cheap option, he had a team of kids whereas Pearson had experienced pros to get the job done, Stern John, Jason Euell, Andrew Surman, Bradley Wright Phillips, Jhon Viafara, Marek Saganowski even Idiakez plus Richard Wright in goal, all of whom were involved in the final day of the season when we beat Sheffield United to stay up.
The circumstances that Pearson had and Poortvliet had were totally different, .
truth is neither were that great for us.
But I dont dismiss Jan Poortvliet a decent man and a well respected man as a player as a hapless fool because he stepped into a job that no one wanted at the salary being offered, why does there always have to be so much hatred towards those we perceive as not doing well. |
If I recall, Pearson inherited a mess, with a side just dumped out of the Cup by Bristol Rovers under Gorman / Dodd, and needed to get the points required to keep us up. Which he (just about) achieved.
Poortvliet at least started the season with a clean sheet, and with us not marooned in the bottom 3.
I wish Poortvliet no ill will at all; he came across as a thoroughly decent guy; probably too decent, I suspect he was shafted by Wotte who definitely had the air of a backstabber about him. He (and Wotte) was just completely out of his depth though, with no working knowledge of the English game. [Post edited 6 Mar 2023 14:58]
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 15:10 - Mar 6 with 757 views | PatfromPoole |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 14:56 - Mar 6 by saints__fan__73 |
Not even SAF could have kept us in the Championship with that squad.
Lowe's biggest mistake was listening to the moron fans and not re-appointing Hoddle. |
SAF wouldn’t have been able to keep us up above Doncaster, Barnsley and Plymouth?
All of who stayed up. | |
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 09:21 - Mar 7 with 635 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 15:10 - Mar 6 by PatfromPoole |
SAF wouldn’t have been able to keep us up above Doncaster, Barnsley and Plymouth?
All of who stayed up. |
Correct. SAF wouldn't!
You're getting carried away by saying Pearson was a better manager than Portaloo but totally forgetting the reality of the situation as Nick explained. We were down that season no matter what. Even if we did have SAF lol.
Micky Wilde (who I assume you were fully behind when he took over from Lowe) had bankrupted the club by spending money the club did not have in an attempt to get promoted. When we lost to Derby in the playoff there was no way the club could avoid administration unless we bought a printing press...
We limped through the season doing the best we could with zero money but admin was inevitable.
Had you conveniently forgotten the 10 point penalty we started L1 with?!
The only reason we had this in L1 is that is was deferred as applying it to us in the Champ would not of have any effect as we would have been relegated anyway. If it would have had an effect then it would have been applied in our Championship season.
So when you are ludicrously trying to claim that we could have stayed up with Pearson you are not only saying he could have managed a very weak squad to finish above the likes of Barnsley, you are actually saying he could finish 10 points better than them! Anything less than this would have meant relegation anyway!
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 09:24 - Mar 7 with 631 views | PatfromPoole |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 09:21 - Mar 7 by saints__fan__73 |
Correct. SAF wouldn't!
You're getting carried away by saying Pearson was a better manager than Portaloo but totally forgetting the reality of the situation as Nick explained. We were down that season no matter what. Even if we did have SAF lol.
Micky Wilde (who I assume you were fully behind when he took over from Lowe) had bankrupted the club by spending money the club did not have in an attempt to get promoted. When we lost to Derby in the playoff there was no way the club could avoid administration unless we bought a printing press...
We limped through the season doing the best we could with zero money but admin was inevitable.
Had you conveniently forgotten the 10 point penalty we started L1 with?!
The only reason we had this in L1 is that is was deferred as applying it to us in the Champ would not of have any effect as we would have been relegated anyway. If it would have had an effect then it would have been applied in our Championship season.
So when you are ludicrously trying to claim that we could have stayed up with Pearson you are not only saying he could have managed a very weak squad to finish above the likes of Barnsley, you are actually saying he could finish 10 points better than them! Anything less than this would have meant relegation anyway!
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Er, yes, actually.
The squad wasn’t that weak.
A number of those players went on to play in the Prem for a number of years, either for Saints or other clubs. | |
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 09:59 - Mar 7 with 606 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 09:24 - Mar 7 by PatfromPoole |
Er, yes, actually.
The squad wasn’t that weak.
A number of those players went on to play in the Prem for a number of years, either for Saints or other clubs. |
So we had a squad that only stayed up on the last day of the season the previous year before Lowe returned. Went into administration due to the actions of Wilde. Had zero money to spend that season due to going into admin. And had a ten point penalty due to admin.
But in your mind it would have been reasonable for Lowe, on his return, to be expected to take all of this and still improve us to the level of a mid-table team so that, even with the 10 point penalty, we would have still stayed up.
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 10:34 - Mar 7 with 580 views | SaintNick |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 09:24 - Mar 7 by PatfromPoole |
Er, yes, actually.
The squad wasn’t that weak.
A number of those players went on to play in the Prem for a number of years, either for Saints or other clubs. |
If we look at the squad that Poortvliet had that season.
Kelvin Davis did play for Saints in the Premier League but not that many times
Jack Cork played the first half of the season as a 19 year old
Nathan Dyer made 3 appearances but went to Sheffield united on loan due to disciplinary issues
Adam Lallana made 36 appearances and scored once of course went on to a great Premier League career.
David McGoldrick played 45 games scored 12 goals, played mostly in the Championship after leaving Saints aside from his two seasons in the Premier League at age 32
Morgan Schneiderlin aged 18 played 30 times went on to have some good seasons for Saints in the Premier league.
Andrew Surman played 44 games that season, played mainly in the Championship before joining Bournemouth in 2015 aged 29 and had a couple of good seasons and a couple of poor ones there.
In terms of who went on to have Premier league careers only Lallana Cork & Schneiderlin went on to have consistent Premier league seasons after leaving Saints, but they all took a few years before they actually played in the Premier League all being teenagers in this season.
Literally the only player who left the club in the summer of 2009 and played a Premier League game in the next 3 years was Andrew Surman who managed 7 games at Wolves in his one season there before dropping back to the Championship with Norwich.
So there was little players who were of Premier League standard during that season, just youngsters who would eventually blossom.
The rest of the squad were either youngsters who never really got above League One and a few experienced pros at lower levels such as Paul Wooton, and those who just really didnt do much such as Rudi Skacel, plus a few players such as Jan Paul Saeijs who had played top flight in Europe but were past their best | |
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 10:40 - Mar 7 with 577 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 10:34 - Mar 7 by SaintNick |
If we look at the squad that Poortvliet had that season.
Kelvin Davis did play for Saints in the Premier League but not that many times
Jack Cork played the first half of the season as a 19 year old
Nathan Dyer made 3 appearances but went to Sheffield united on loan due to disciplinary issues
Adam Lallana made 36 appearances and scored once of course went on to a great Premier League career.
David McGoldrick played 45 games scored 12 goals, played mostly in the Championship after leaving Saints aside from his two seasons in the Premier League at age 32
Morgan Schneiderlin aged 18 played 30 times went on to have some good seasons for Saints in the Premier league.
Andrew Surman played 44 games that season, played mainly in the Championship before joining Bournemouth in 2015 aged 29 and had a couple of good seasons and a couple of poor ones there.
In terms of who went on to have Premier league careers only Lallana Cork & Schneiderlin went on to have consistent Premier league seasons after leaving Saints, but they all took a few years before they actually played in the Premier League all being teenagers in this season.
Literally the only player who left the club in the summer of 2009 and played a Premier League game in the next 3 years was Andrew Surman who managed 7 games at Wolves in his one season there before dropping back to the Championship with Norwich.
So there was little players who were of Premier League standard during that season, just youngsters who would eventually blossom.
The rest of the squad were either youngsters who never really got above League One and a few experienced pros at lower levels such as Paul Wooton, and those who just really didnt do much such as Rudi Skacel, plus a few players such as Jan Paul Saeijs who had played top flight in Europe but were past their best |
All Pat was expecting of Lowe was for a club to vastly improve its on-field performances after going into administration.
Something that happens time after time... | |
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| Lets look forward to the Championship on 11:17 - Mar 7 with 553 views | felly1 |
| Lets look forward to the Championship on 10:40 - Mar 7 by saints__fan__73 |
All Pat was expecting of Lowe was for a club to vastly improve its on-field performances after going into administration.
Something that happens time after time... |
Lowe was deeply unpopular but I have to agree it wasn't his fault we went down. We spunked our dwindling finances on shot to glory in the Burley season.
God.. I remember Swansea away and Lowe strolling around the pitch in his tracksuit giving advice to Poortvliet.. So embarrassing. What a plonker he was. |  | | |
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