| Ainsworth 17:45 - Apr 7 with 23296 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Watching him walking around the pitch at the end, he looked haunted.
I'm not saying he looked like a bloke saying adieu, but he sure as shit would bite your hand off to turn the clock back to say to QPR: thanks, but I'm staying at WWFC.
Utterly, utterly appalling performance today.
Oh, and I'm not sure who's responsible for overseeing deadball delivery practice sessions, but whoever it is, they clearly have no idea where the fcuking goal is!! |  |
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| Ainsworth on 01:26 - Apr 10 with 2577 views | Nov77 |
| Ainsworth on 00:37 - Apr 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
No, in this case I don’t really think the manager has any accountability other than in regards to instances of gross Paul Hart style incompetence, of which I have seen none from either Critchley or Ainsworth. Sam Field as a RW comes close I suppose.
I‘ve not seen anything disastrous in his tactics. If you are working with players either so shellshocked or so belligerent that they can’t pass a ball over five yards then tactics don’t really matter do they?
The ONLY thing this club hasn’t tried is stability for stability sake. 12 managers or whatever it is can’t all be wrong. Ainsworth is proven both in League One and the Championship.
It’s the club not him In my opinion and we should stick with no matter what. |
When you say Ainsworth is “proven in the championship”, do you mean he has 100% record of being relegated from the championship? |  |
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| Ainsworth on 11:06 - Apr 10 with 2345 views | R_from_afar |
| Ainsworth on 19:57 - Apr 9 by westy |
Not strictly true. He has just sold Mehmeti for a substantial amount. True at WW he built his team around mid twenties to early thirties. No bad thing and was actually very successful on what was a tiny budget in comparison.
Also he had some very good links with PL clubs in getting younger guys in on loan.
A product which worked well at WW.
Yes he will need to change a bit but not so much as I don’t see QPR in such an amazing financial situation at present so I’m sure we will be heavily reliant yet again on loan signings as the academy is obviously not producing the numbers it should be. None of which can be aimed at GA.
All this shit about Hoof Ball etc etc amuses me as do we really think QPR are the Barca of the championship.
People bemoaning the tactics against Watford. It’s what the smaller clubs have to do and unfortunately that’s the category we find ourselves in right now.
Again not the fault of GA. |
Good point about Mehmeti and he also made good use of the relatively short, young and nimble Kashket, Eze too. There's no doubting he likes a big target man, though.
I'll get pelters for saying it but I watched most of the second half of the PNE game and I honestly would not describe that as hoofball. I also wouldn't describe it as good!
We were moaning before about our players dallying and being slow to cross; does the fact that we now have a manager renowned for playing direct football mean that when we do now cross, albeit poorly, crossing is rebranded as hoofing?
I'll now quietly retire to my foxhole and prime the claymores...  |  |
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| Ainsworth on 11:12 - Apr 10 with 2305 views | R_from_afar |
| Ainsworth on 01:26 - Apr 10 by Nov77 |
When you say Ainsworth is “proven in the championship”, do you mean he has 100% record of being relegated from the championship? |
He had one season in the Championship and if Derby, who broke the rules that season, had been punished appropriately, Wycombe would - just - have stayed up. | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Ainsworth on 11:40 - Apr 10 with 2218 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 11:12 - Apr 10 by R_from_afar |
He had one season in the Championship and if Derby, who broke the rules that season, had been punished appropriately, Wycombe would - just - have stayed up. |
I'm with you, Afar, my good friend.
As I've just posted elsewhere, we clearly need to get "back to basics". None of the teams that have ridden roughshod over us thisyear have done anything apart from do the basics far better than us (not difficult, I know).
Having twisted to dump Critchley, Amit and Ruben HAVE to stick and back Wild Thing and Dobbo properly both now and over the summer. That means letting Gaz have the final word over player recruitment, sorting out the treatment side and making sure that Chris Ramsey runs the youth teams to a coherent, consistent plan across the age groups, with none of those guys getting ideas above their personal station.
I'm sure that vClive is likely to criticise my idea of "what manager wants, manager gets", but I think the major difference this time is that Ainsworth's ideas are much more likely to be pragmatic rather than for his own personal egrandissement. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 12:21 - Apr 10 with 2112 views | 1JD |
| Ainsworth on 11:40 - Apr 10 by E15Hoop |
I'm with you, Afar, my good friend.
As I've just posted elsewhere, we clearly need to get "back to basics". None of the teams that have ridden roughshod over us thisyear have done anything apart from do the basics far better than us (not difficult, I know).
Having twisted to dump Critchley, Amit and Ruben HAVE to stick and back Wild Thing and Dobbo properly both now and over the summer. That means letting Gaz have the final word over player recruitment, sorting out the treatment side and making sure that Chris Ramsey runs the youth teams to a coherent, consistent plan across the age groups, with none of those guys getting ideas above their personal station.
I'm sure that vClive is likely to criticise my idea of "what manager wants, manager gets", but I think the major difference this time is that Ainsworth's ideas are much more likely to be pragmatic rather than for his own personal egrandissement. |
If Ainsworths ideas were pragmatic, rather than for his own personal engrandissement, as you suggest, then he should have looked at what he had available as a squad, the set of tools at his disposal, and worked out the smartest way to maximise their output - at this particular time.
And yet, instead, he has done the opposite.
Rather than work with the group in a style that best suits THEM (and for which they were recruited for) he has not only chosen a radical change to HIS style of play, that does not play to THEIR strengths, but he has done so at the most critical juncture of the season. In my book, that is neither smart, nor pragmatic, but single-minded. His poor decision-making will be the undoing of him. And us. [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 12:21]
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| Ainsworth on 12:38 - Apr 10 with 2037 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 12:21 - Apr 10 by 1JD |
If Ainsworths ideas were pragmatic, rather than for his own personal engrandissement, as you suggest, then he should have looked at what he had available as a squad, the set of tools at his disposal, and worked out the smartest way to maximise their output - at this particular time.
And yet, instead, he has done the opposite.
Rather than work with the group in a style that best suits THEM (and for which they were recruited for) he has not only chosen a radical change to HIS style of play, that does not play to THEIR strengths, but he has done so at the most critical juncture of the season. In my book, that is neither smart, nor pragmatic, but single-minded. His poor decision-making will be the undoing of him. And us. [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 12:21]
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I have to say I fundamentally disagree with your analysis. I think he has simply had to play the hand he's been dealt.
I personally felt the first half against Preston was a vast improvement on what we had seen against Blackpool and Brimingham - not difficult, I know. I don't think you can point the finger at Ainsworth for Ilias's lack of confidence in a 1v1 situation, or for Chris Willock leaving his shooting boots at home, or for no-one making runs to get on the end of Uncle Albert's crossing.
Its pretty clear from his end of match comments that he's as frustrated at the stupidity of our defending as we all are. As he said after the Wigan game, I think he has a right to expect to be able to take certain fundamentals as a given.
Now you can argue that having seen that these are lacking, he should be doing more to make the players take responsibility for their failings, but where's the time to do that between Friday and Monday on an Easter weekend?
Rome wasn't built in a day, and its pretty clear that a wlot of work needs to be done on our foundations. I don't see how you can lay the blame at Ainsworth and Dobson for trying to do the best bodge job they can in the circumstances they find themselves in. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 12:46 - Apr 10 with 2010 views | 1JD |
| Ainsworth on 12:38 - Apr 10 by E15Hoop |
I have to say I fundamentally disagree with your analysis. I think he has simply had to play the hand he's been dealt.
I personally felt the first half against Preston was a vast improvement on what we had seen against Blackpool and Brimingham - not difficult, I know. I don't think you can point the finger at Ainsworth for Ilias's lack of confidence in a 1v1 situation, or for Chris Willock leaving his shooting boots at home, or for no-one making runs to get on the end of Uncle Albert's crossing.
Its pretty clear from his end of match comments that he's as frustrated at the stupidity of our defending as we all are. As he said after the Wigan game, I think he has a right to expect to be able to take certain fundamentals as a given.
Now you can argue that having seen that these are lacking, he should be doing more to make the players take responsibility for their failings, but where's the time to do that between Friday and Monday on an Easter weekend?
Rome wasn't built in a day, and its pretty clear that a wlot of work needs to be done on our foundations. I don't see how you can lay the blame at Ainsworth and Dobson for trying to do the best bodge job they can in the circumstances they find themselves in. |
Do you think he is implementing a style that suits these players and getting the best out of them? | | | |
| Ainsworth on 12:58 - Apr 10 with 1958 views | WatfordR |
I have to say there's a lot of defence for Ainsworth and his management style and tactical nous that would be absolutely non existent on here if his name wasn't Gareth Ainsworth. |  | | |
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| Ainsworth on 12:58 - Apr 10 with 1958 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 12:46 - Apr 10 by 1JD |
Do you think he is implementing a style that suits these players and getting the best out of them? |
I think he is trying to work to a style to at least get them all on the same page and that resembles something like a team as quickly as possible.
The fact that Chair, Willock, Johansen, Dickie, Dunne etc. are not playing to the levels that they're capable of is not down to him or the system. Its simply them not doing what they should be doing as well as they've done it before. If anything, the fact that the style is simpler and more direct should, I believe, help them rather than hinder them. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:01 - Apr 10 with 1936 views | Loyalitat |
| Ainsworth on 12:58 - Apr 10 by WatfordR |
I have to say there's a lot of defence for Ainsworth and his management style and tactical nous that would be absolutely non existent on here if his name wasn't Gareth Ainsworth. |
Absolutely this. | | | |
| Ainsworth (n/t) on 13:11 - Apr 10 with 1900 views | Pindarus |
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| Ainsworth on 13:12 - Apr 10 with 1897 views | 1JD |
| Ainsworth on 12:58 - Apr 10 by E15Hoop |
I think he is trying to work to a style to at least get them all on the same page and that resembles something like a team as quickly as possible.
The fact that Chair, Willock, Johansen, Dickie, Dunne etc. are not playing to the levels that they're capable of is not down to him or the system. Its simply them not doing what they should be doing as well as they've done it before. If anything, the fact that the style is simpler and more direct should, I believe, help them rather than hinder them. |
Going more direct should help not hinder them?
We have very different understandings of the game. And you are ignoring that this squad was built for a technical, passing on-the-floor style. In no way shape or form was it set up and recruited for a direct style. So saying going more direct should help not hinder them, is completely counter to the reality.
And the simple fact is, this is the same squad that Beale got a tune out of. Same squad, but with a different style that matched the squad available. Ainsworth has done the opposite. Results can lie when performances are promising. But we not only have terrible results, but terrible performances. I see no green shoots, nothing that tells me Ainsworth knows what he doing at his level. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:16 - Apr 10 with 1837 views | daveB |
| Ainsworth on 00:37 - Apr 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
No, in this case I don’t really think the manager has any accountability other than in regards to instances of gross Paul Hart style incompetence, of which I have seen none from either Critchley or Ainsworth. Sam Field as a RW comes close I suppose.
I‘ve not seen anything disastrous in his tactics. If you are working with players either so shellshocked or so belligerent that they can’t pass a ball over five yards then tactics don’t really matter do they?
The ONLY thing this club hasn’t tried is stability for stability sake. 12 managers or whatever it is can’t all be wrong. Ainsworth is proven both in League One and the Championship.
It’s the club not him In my opinion and we should stick with no matter what. |
Warburton was manager for 3 years, they certainly tried stability
You should aim for that of course bhut only if the manager produces a few results
We've got worser with every passing game under Ainsworth |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:22 - Apr 10 with 1804 views | daveB |
| Ainsworth on 11:40 - Apr 10 by E15Hoop |
I'm with you, Afar, my good friend.
As I've just posted elsewhere, we clearly need to get "back to basics". None of the teams that have ridden roughshod over us thisyear have done anything apart from do the basics far better than us (not difficult, I know).
Having twisted to dump Critchley, Amit and Ruben HAVE to stick and back Wild Thing and Dobbo properly both now and over the summer. That means letting Gaz have the final word over player recruitment, sorting out the treatment side and making sure that Chris Ramsey runs the youth teams to a coherent, consistent plan across the age groups, with none of those guys getting ideas above their personal station.
I'm sure that vClive is likely to criticise my idea of "what manager wants, manager gets", but I think the major difference this time is that Ainsworth's ideas are much more likely to be pragmatic rather than for his own personal egrandissement. |
Letting Ainsworth have full control is just repeating the same mistakes again | | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:25 - Apr 10 with 1779 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 13:12 - Apr 10 by 1JD |
Going more direct should help not hinder them?
We have very different understandings of the game. And you are ignoring that this squad was built for a technical, passing on-the-floor style. In no way shape or form was it set up and recruited for a direct style. So saying going more direct should help not hinder them, is completely counter to the reality.
And the simple fact is, this is the same squad that Beale got a tune out of. Same squad, but with a different style that matched the squad available. Ainsworth has done the opposite. Results can lie when performances are promising. But we not only have terrible results, but terrible performances. I see no green shoots, nothing that tells me Ainsworth knows what he doing at his level. |
The players that were making the passing-on-the-floor style tick have either been injured or not performing to their previous levels.
With that in mind, what choice did he have but to change to a more direct style?
Dykes, Martin and Lowe should all be capable of playing hold up and lay, particularly the first two. Then you can bring your technical players into the picture but at least 30 yards higher up the pitch than they have been for God knows how many weeks.
I'm clinging to the hope that as Chair and Willock get fitter and stronger, we will finally see this spluttering car of ours kick back into life, and then you might get to see more of a balance between what I'm saying and what you're saying. Please God, it won't be too late by then. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:28 - Apr 10 with 1735 views | paulparker |
| Ainsworth on 13:22 - Apr 10 by daveB |
Letting Ainsworth have full control is just repeating the same mistakes again |
I would trust Ainsworth to bring in better players than our DOF and his mate with the laptop |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Ainsworth on 13:32 - Apr 10 with 1713 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 13:22 - Apr 10 by daveB |
Letting Ainsworth have full control is just repeating the same mistakes again |
I don't agree, for the reasons I gave earlier. To stick with the driving analogies, the car is only as dangerous as the driver behind the wheel.
Warburton was working to a brief of "let's go all out for promotion", Beale, as we know, was working to a brief of "let me look in the mirror and fall in love with myself". Whatever you want to say about Ainsworth tactically, surely no one can doubt that he's got his feet firmly on the ground? | | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:37 - Apr 10 with 1649 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 13:28 - Apr 10 by paulparker |
I would trust Ainsworth to bring in better players than our DOF and his mate with the laptop |
I agree with you for once PP! 
Certainly I trust GA to have a more realistic view of what's right for us for where we're at now, and where we're likely to be for the foreseeable future. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:48 - Apr 10 with 1613 views | Loyalitat |
| Ainsworth on 13:25 - Apr 10 by E15Hoop |
The players that were making the passing-on-the-floor style tick have either been injured or not performing to their previous levels.
With that in mind, what choice did he have but to change to a more direct style?
Dykes, Martin and Lowe should all be capable of playing hold up and lay, particularly the first two. Then you can bring your technical players into the picture but at least 30 yards higher up the pitch than they have been for God knows how many weeks.
I'm clinging to the hope that as Chair and Willock get fitter and stronger, we will finally see this spluttering car of ours kick back into life, and then you might get to see more of a balance between what I'm saying and what you're saying. Please God, it won't be too late by then. |
It's too late already. With Warnock's Huddersfield winning again after having beaten Watford and Middlesbrough, they're not going down. We now have WBA, Coventry, Norwich and Burnley in successive games with currently the second worst negative goal difference in the league. It's over.
Strange why we find fault and/or want more from the likes of Chair and Willock in particular, and even Johansen. Our good form early in the season was primarily based on those three being the chief creators and scorers during that period. What about any tangible contributions from Beale's much-vaunted signings: Roberts, Richards, Clarke Salter, Balogun, Laird, Iroebugnam. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:51 - Apr 10 with 1603 views | THEBUSH |
In my view we need to stick with Ainsworth, whatever happens this season.
Ive been a QPR supporter since the middle 50s and seen it all, good and bad.
The good days will come back, although not sure when, you Rssssss. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 14:09 - Apr 10 with 1541 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 13:48 - Apr 10 by Loyalitat |
It's too late already. With Warnock's Huddersfield winning again after having beaten Watford and Middlesbrough, they're not going down. We now have WBA, Coventry, Norwich and Burnley in successive games with currently the second worst negative goal difference in the league. It's over.
Strange why we find fault and/or want more from the likes of Chair and Willock in particular, and even Johansen. Our good form early in the season was primarily based on those three being the chief creators and scorers during that period. What about any tangible contributions from Beale's much-vaunted signings: Roberts, Richards, Clarke Salter, Balogun, Laird, Iroebugnam. |
I don't disagree with that point. I'm simply going with the "path of least resistance" if you like.
We know that Chair and Willock have delivered in the past, and we know that Chair in particular is desperate (too desperate?) to deliver again.
Roberts and Richards can't (hopefully just "not yet" in Richards' case) be relied upon to deliver consistently, either for reasons of age, inexperience or temperament, perhaps, in Roberts' case. Balogun I agree with you on - put him in the same camp as Chair and Willock if you like.
Iroegbunam has, at least, going forwards, been pretty consistent, but don't forget he was also injured recently. Defensively, you've seen several brain farts that have been costly, either through giving away unnecessary penalties, or sloppy sideways passing. Again, let's not forget this is his first season of senior football, so its asking a lot to hang a relegation battle on him when you've got lots of more senior players ahead of him not delivering the goods consistently enough.
Laird is more concerned, clearly, with not picking up a long-term injury that could see him buggered as far as getting on Man Utd's pre-season tours is concerned, and Clarke Salter is still trying to ascertain if he has at least one leg that functions consistently as a leg is supposed to. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 17:27 - Apr 10 with 1431 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 13:25 - Apr 10 by E15Hoop |
The players that were making the passing-on-the-floor style tick have either been injured or not performing to their previous levels.
With that in mind, what choice did he have but to change to a more direct style?
Dykes, Martin and Lowe should all be capable of playing hold up and lay, particularly the first two. Then you can bring your technical players into the picture but at least 30 yards higher up the pitch than they have been for God knows how many weeks.
I'm clinging to the hope that as Chair and Willock get fitter and stronger, we will finally see this spluttering car of ours kick back into life, and then you might get to see more of a balance between what I'm saying and what you're saying. Please God, it won't be too late by then. |
Not that I wish to appear smug or anything like that, but I think you saw today what i was banging on about earlier...
Great hold up play by Dykes in particular, runners in Adomah and Chair getting close to the strikers and picking up the second balls and even running past on occasion, energetic high pressing - in fact, if the front three had been mores assertive in the first half in particular, we might well have got more chances and picked up all 3 points.
THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is what a Gareth Ainsworth QPR team is all about. It might not be pretty, but when Chris Martin's goal went in, who - be honest now - gave a flying f*ck?! | | | |
| Ainsworth on 17:34 - Apr 10 with 1380 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Ainsworth on 11:12 - Apr 10 by R_from_afar |
He had one season in the Championship and if Derby, who broke the rules that season, had been punished appropriately, Wycombe would - just - have stayed up. |
Given this, it would be somewhat ironic if Reading's punishment keeps us up. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 17:52 - Apr 10 with 1280 views | 1JD |
| Ainsworth on 17:27 - Apr 10 by E15Hoop |
Not that I wish to appear smug or anything like that, but I think you saw today what i was banging on about earlier...
Great hold up play by Dykes in particular, runners in Adomah and Chair getting close to the strikers and picking up the second balls and even running past on occasion, energetic high pressing - in fact, if the front three had been mores assertive in the first half in particular, we might well have got more chances and picked up all 3 points.
THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is what a Gareth Ainsworth QPR team is all about. It might not be pretty, but when Chris Martin's goal went in, who - be honest now - gave a flying f*ck?! |
Sorry we’ll have to disagree again. The pass completion rate was up to 64%, still low, but up significantly from the 50 mark dross we have been posting. There was a distinct lack of long ball, and a lot more passing involved today. And we were far better for it because it suits the players. So either he is learning or he is being told from above, because that was unlike other games we have seen under him so far. Where I would agree with you is that the intensity and press was very Ainsworth-like, and that combined with the increasing amount of passing was a good to see. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 18:08 - Apr 10 with 1192 views | E15Hoop |
| Ainsworth on 17:52 - Apr 10 by 1JD |
Sorry we’ll have to disagree again. The pass completion rate was up to 64%, still low, but up significantly from the 50 mark dross we have been posting. There was a distinct lack of long ball, and a lot more passing involved today. And we were far better for it because it suits the players. So either he is learning or he is being told from above, because that was unlike other games we have seen under him so far. Where I would agree with you is that the intensity and press was very Ainsworth-like, and that combined with the increasing amount of passing was a good to see. |
I'll meet you in the middle, and say that the intensity and the press laid the platform for Chair and Adomah to work their magic.
However, I think you're forgetting how much Dieng in particular went for the long ball option. Hold up and lay with runners running off Dykes and Martin is what gave the foundation for the passing game to be effective, because it got us in to more advanced areas, which is exactly what I said before the game.
Amd did you notice how many aerial battles in defence we won, by playing a higher line and not worrying about being tippy tappy at the back? | | | |
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