| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:20 - Jan 3 with 927 views | onehunglow |
Good spot
Shows this govt for what it is |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:40 - Jan 3 with 908 views | Boundy |
Racism/racist is an oft used word today , say the wrong thing or commit the wrong action and that's the cry from too many, too many who make important decisions often to protect the public.
Strange that's some of the biggest acts of podophile /rape committed in the past 30 years has been allowed to be ignored ,that itself is bad enough but to compound the issue is the fact that these acts were committed due to the skin colour of their victims , imagine the outcry if the opposite was true, the victims a dark skin colour and the perpetrators white .
Why not have a Government led inquiry ( despite of its cost ) instead of far too many local ones, joined up thinking instead of this mish mash mess .
The problem is offences a such as these has the Government dictating the terms and conditions of how and if its investigated because it hasn't the balls to allow the justice system do its work . Racism is racism despite the powers to be deciding its only if the perpetrator is white. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:45 - Jan 3 with 894 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:40 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
Racism/racist is an oft used word today , say the wrong thing or commit the wrong action and that's the cry from too many, too many who make important decisions often to protect the public.
Strange that's some of the biggest acts of podophile /rape committed in the past 30 years has been allowed to be ignored ,that itself is bad enough but to compound the issue is the fact that these acts were committed due to the skin colour of their victims , imagine the outcry if the opposite was true, the victims a dark skin colour and the perpetrators white .
Why not have a Government led inquiry ( despite of its cost ) instead of far too many local ones, joined up thinking instead of this mish mash mess .
The problem is offences a such as these has the Government dictating the terms and conditions of how and if its investigated because it hasn't the balls to allow the justice system do its work . Racism is racism despite the powers to be deciding its only if the perpetrator is white. |
The R word.
Much overused and misused
An easy option for too many | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:50 - Jan 3 with 890 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:45 - Jan 3 by onehunglow |
The R word.
Much overused and misused
An easy option for too many |
So true and dangerous when you consider the mix of ethnicities in this country . | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:57 - Jan 3 with 875 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:50 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
So true and dangerous when you consider the mix of ethnicities in this country . |
I believe everyone feels more comfortable “ with their own”
This is proven when Brits form massive ex pat colonies wherever they retire to and why Asians feel more at home in Bradford than Baglan
It doesn’t mean we have to discriminate though
It’s a fine line but a very important one | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:05 - Jan 3 with 871 views | controversial_jack |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 09:20 - Jan 3 by onehunglow |
Good spot
Shows this govt for what it is |
This govt wasn't in at the time | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:12 - Jan 3 with 853 views | Kilkennyjack |
Any reason why the Tory governments of the last 14 years have not addressed this issue ?
Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, and Sunak ?
Why have the victims had to wait this long ?
Because you don't get a free hit after 14 years in power to call Starmer out.
Otherwise it would be hypocritical and look like the media just wanted a topic to beat Starmer over the head with ? |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:15 - Jan 3 with 854 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:12 - Jan 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Any reason why the Tory governments of the last 14 years have not addressed this issue ?
Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, and Sunak ?
Why have the victims had to wait this long ?
Because you don't get a free hit after 14 years in power to call Starmer out.
Otherwise it would be hypocritical and look like the media just wanted a topic to beat Starmer over the head with ? |
Tories did nowt
Labour were touted to be the party for justice ( they said it themselves)
Tories have always talked the talk but not walked it
What a choice | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:35 - Jan 3 with 837 views | union_jack |
Yet, if a hurty word is heard, be prepared to do some bird! |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:42 - Jan 3 with 827 views | Gwyn737 |
I’d be all for a national inquiry if I thought it would effective but I’m not sure it would be. That’s just a reflection on pervious inquiries that don’t seem to have the teeth I’d like them to have.
Genuine question; is there a more effective way? | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:07 - Jan 3 with 806 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:05 - Jan 3 by controversial_jack |
This govt wasn't in at the time |
Its been happening for decades including Labours last tenure in Office , due to your comment concerning protecting this governments image it appears you don't care about the kids . | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:13 - Jan 3 with 797 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:42 - Jan 3 by Gwyn737 |
I’d be all for a national inquiry if I thought it would effective but I’m not sure it would be. That’s just a reflection on pervious inquiries that don’t seem to have the teeth I’d like them to have.
Genuine question; is there a more effective way? |
Its a national disgrace , even more so that we have someone from another country trying to draw attention to this , local enquiries won't have the power to censure local police who in lost of case were culpable in allowing this to continue . This is not about party politics its about a total revamp of social services, the police , and if so prosecutions should follow.
This has been shoved into the long grass because the guy in charge when this issue was first brought to the attention of a wider audience is now making the decision not to allow a national enquiry . | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:16 - Jan 3 with 787 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:13 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
Its a national disgrace , even more so that we have someone from another country trying to draw attention to this , local enquiries won't have the power to censure local police who in lost of case were culpable in allowing this to continue . This is not about party politics its about a total revamp of social services, the police , and if so prosecutions should follow.
This has been shoved into the long grass because the guy in charge when this issue was first brought to the attention of a wider audience is now making the decision not to allow a national enquiry . |
As a country,we are failing our kids .
This is a perfect example | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:27 - Jan 3 with 770 views | Gwyn737 |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:13 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
Its a national disgrace , even more so that we have someone from another country trying to draw attention to this , local enquiries won't have the power to censure local police who in lost of case were culpable in allowing this to continue . This is not about party politics its about a total revamp of social services, the police , and if so prosecutions should follow.
This has been shoved into the long grass because the guy in charge when this issue was first brought to the attention of a wider audience is now making the decision not to allow a national enquiry . |
I want it all out in the open and quickly.
My issue is when you look at thinks like Grenfell or Hillsbourough, they took donkeys years and there wasn’t a lot of culpability IMO.
Surely there must be a better way? | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:41 - Jan 3 with 758 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:27 - Jan 3 by Gwyn737 |
I want it all out in the open and quickly.
My issue is when you look at thinks like Grenfell or Hillsbourough, they took donkeys years and there wasn’t a lot of culpability IMO.
Surely there must be a better way? |
We need an implementation review of the previous inquiries, has anything changed! Have the identified actions been implemented?
Since Tony Blair moved into No 10 in 1997 there have been no fewer than three government commissions, three independent commissions, five white papers and 14 parliamentary committee inquiries into social care. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:43 - Jan 3 with 752 views | Gwyn737 |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:41 - Jan 3 by JACKMANANDBOY |
We need an implementation review of the previous inquiries, has anything changed! Have the identified actions been implemented?
Since Tony Blair moved into No 10 in 1997 there have been no fewer than three government commissions, three independent commissions, five white papers and 14 parliamentary committee inquiries into social care. |
Good idea.
And there’s no reason why something can’t be done with the grooming gangs at the same time. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:15 - Jan 3 with 720 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:12 - Jan 3 by Kilkennyjack |
Any reason why the Tory governments of the last 14 years have not addressed this issue ?
Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss, and Sunak ?
Why have the victims had to wait this long ?
Because you don't get a free hit after 14 years in power to call Starmer out.
Otherwise it would be hypocritical and look like the media just wanted a topic to beat Starmer over the head with ? |
The reason being suggested by legal experts is that there were hundreds of court cases pending and any national national inquiry would be sub judice.
But yes the Tories should have done more. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:19 - Jan 3 with 711 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:13 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
Its a national disgrace , even more so that we have someone from another country trying to draw attention to this , local enquiries won't have the power to censure local police who in lost of case were culpable in allowing this to continue . This is not about party politics its about a total revamp of social services, the police , and if so prosecutions should follow.
This has been shoved into the long grass because the guy in charge when this issue was first brought to the attention of a wider audience is now making the decision not to allow a national enquiry . |
You are making this into in a party political issue by trying to pin it on Starmer from the start.
Lets be very clear - the Conservative and Unionist Party had 14 years to sort this.
Why or why didn’t they act far earlier ?
You are right about the victims.
Public Inquiries should have started whenever these issues started to emerge.
The next best time is tomorrow.
Everybody in public authority power - including the police - who knew but did not act should be charged - and jailed if guilty.
Individual level accountability.
(Never happened with Grenfell though).
I also dont like the term grooming gangs, its too soft a term. They should be called rape gangs so there is no doubt to what they did.
Jail sentences and deportation are matters for judges, but the full force of the law needs to be applied.
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:52 - Jan 3 with 657 views | Flashberryjack |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:19 - Jan 3 by Kilkennyjack |
You are making this into in a party political issue by trying to pin it on Starmer from the start.
Lets be very clear - the Conservative and Unionist Party had 14 years to sort this.
Why or why didn’t they act far earlier ?
You are right about the victims.
Public Inquiries should have started whenever these issues started to emerge.
The next best time is tomorrow.
Everybody in public authority power - including the police - who knew but did not act should be charged - and jailed if guilty.
Individual level accountability.
(Never happened with Grenfell though).
I also dont like the term grooming gangs, its too soft a term. They should be called rape gangs so there is no doubt to what they did.
Jail sentences and deportation are matters for judges, but the full force of the law needs to be applied.
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https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rochdale-grooming-gang-leader-still-in-uk/
Deport the b*stards. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:54 - Jan 3 with 654 views | controversial_jack |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:07 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
Its been happening for decades including Labours last tenure in Office , due to your comment concerning protecting this governments image it appears you don't care about the kids . |
I don't remember you complaining during the last 14 years. Not one of your priorities i guess | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:54 - Jan 3 with 645 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:19 - Jan 3 by Kilkennyjack |
You are making this into in a party political issue by trying to pin it on Starmer from the start.
Lets be very clear - the Conservative and Unionist Party had 14 years to sort this.
Why or why didn’t they act far earlier ?
You are right about the victims.
Public Inquiries should have started whenever these issues started to emerge.
The next best time is tomorrow.
Everybody in public authority power - including the police - who knew but did not act should be charged - and jailed if guilty.
Individual level accountability.
(Never happened with Grenfell though).
I also dont like the term grooming gangs, its too soft a term. They should be called rape gangs so there is no doubt to what they did.
Jail sentences and deportation are matters for judges, but the full force of the law needs to be applied.
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No I'm not, I'm calling out both parties , pity you're too dull to read my post correctly. This is Starmers Government and is now making the decisions and with it the responsibility that goes with it , apologies ( not) if that offends your sensibilities. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:57 - Jan 3 with 630 views | Boundy |
This is why I'm totally against enquires being left to the local 3rd rate councillors .
"he 173-page findings, commissioned by Greater Manchester's mayor Andy Burnham, said children were "left at the mercy" of grooming gangs for years and outlined a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police between 2004 and 2013"
Why did the investigations fail and the scum allowed to continue their abuse. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:49 - Jan 3 with 582 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:57 - Jan 3 by Boundy |
This is why I'm totally against enquires being left to the local 3rd rate councillors .
"he 173-page findings, commissioned by Greater Manchester's mayor Andy Burnham, said children were "left at the mercy" of grooming gangs for years and outlined a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police between 2004 and 2013"
Why did the investigations fail and the scum allowed to continue their abuse. |
Someone will no doubt call me Heinrich Himmler's long lost brother but he is a summary.
https://www.jordanssolicitors.co.uk/insights/abuse-and-redress-schemes/the-rise- [Post edited 3 Jan 14:00]
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:10 - Jan 3 with 554 views | Boundy |
Not from me , when you read and reflect on the whole sorry tale and look deeper into how it was ALLOWED to happen then the angrier we as a country should get , this I believe is still going on due to the lack of action for the fear. that in itself should be enough to enrage us and just as importantly the politicians, police, social workers , council officers ,it should never have been allowed to happen but it has and for over 40 years ,all of those victims have had to live a life of shame, because if the authorities don't believe you then perhaps they feel they were at fault.
Lets stop calling them grooming gangs and what they really are RAPE gangs ,raping kids of 12 year olds, still babies who in some cases gave birth to the rapists , ruining the lives of thousands. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:16 - Jan 3 with 504 views | trampie |
The police are on the gangs side, they have been infiltrated. |  |
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